JohnK

Glad you were able to come to some sort of compromise.

I just wonder who he wants to be married to, you or his family? It sounds ludicrous for him to want you to portray yourself a certain way to his family when even he apparently doesn't hold strong beliefs himself.

Personally I'd tell him to grow some balls and stick up for you and your personal beliefs to his family, and if they didn't like it then tough.

Just my < $.02 worth.

The truth of the matter is that even if these illegals came here legally, they would still be underbidding those guys who lost their jobs. They would still be living 12 people to an apartment and sending the money home. I will concede that the bidding gap would close to a degree, but a single man trying to mow yards for a living is not going to be able to compete with a person whose bills are 1/ 12th of his.

As far as I'm aware there is not an endless supply of visa's available for foreigners coming here to mow lawns. So with fewer workers available wages would probably go up. How much is anyone's guess but that's not the point. The point is that people do lose jobs because of illegals working for sub-standard wages.

I know of 2 people.

The first is a guy that started a tiling business. He was VERY good at it. The second was my old lawn care person.

Thanks JohnK for responding to the topic. Can you possible elaborate on both people. I mean, I know countless guys who failed a starting their own business for multiple reason. How was illegal aliens affecting his business? Why did your old lawn person loose the job?

They both owned their own business and both where unable to compete with people willing to work for sub-standard wages.

I know of 2 people.

The first is a guy that started a tiling business. He was VERY good at it. The second was my old lawn care person.

While she is gone the poor guy needs to throw her stuff out on the lawn for her to collect when she gets back. And while he's at it, empty any joint accounts, cancel any joint credit cards, and change all the locks.

The Matrix

Gladiator

North Carolina Democratic Representative Heath Shuler will soon be introducing a great immigration enforcement bill:

The SAVE ACT (Secure America with Verification and Enforcement)

This bill (it will have no bill number until introduced) is far more than a gesture to show that Shuler is on the side of the American workers.

Congressman Shuler appears to be deadly serious about getting this bill enacted and removing the jobs magnet for illegal immigration. He is moving the ball on this bill a whole lot better than he did as an NFL quarterback, completing passes to fellow Representatives every day as he gets their signature as co-sponsors on the floor of the House.

He is fighting for immigration rationality and the rule of law with the kind of winning confidence he showed in college when he was runnerup for the Heisman Trophy.

NumbersUSA will make its formal endorsement of this bill later today.

We believe this bill with its bi-partisan support but originating on the Democratic side of the House is just the vehicle to give us a chance to actually pass immigration legislation through a Democratic-controlled Congress that would significantly improve the lives of most Americans.

REQUIRES EVERY EMPLOYER TO USE ELECTRONIC VERIFICATION SYSTEM ON EVERY EMPLOYEE

The SAVE Act does a lot of things to protect our borders and to help with interior enforcement. (We'll provide you with a section-by-section analysis as soon as the bill is formally introduced.)

But the section that I applaud the most has to do with workplace verification. We believe that jobs are the main reason illegal aliens come here. Drying them up would seriously slow the flow of new illegal aliens. And it would start to drive perhaps as many as a million already-settled illegal aliens back home each year.

The SAVE Act would eventually require every employee in America to go through the E-Verify system. This internet system provides employers with an inexpensive, quick, and accurate way to verify that employees are not illegal aliens. The rules for use are such that no employee or employer suffers if there is a mistake in the system because there is ample time to correct errors on the employee's side and on the government's side.

The SAVE Act would ...

* ... require during Year 1 that all government agencies, government contractors, plus all businesses with more than 250 employees run all NEW hires through E-Verify.

* ... require during Year 2 that all businesses with 100 or more employees use E-Verify for new hires.

* ... require during Year 3 that all businesses with more than 20 employees use E-Verify for new hires.

* ... during Year 4 add businesses with fewer than 20 employees so that all businesses use E-Verify for new hires.

* ... also during Year 4 require all businessese to run all their previous hires through E-Verify.

The four-year phase-in is to give the government more room for massive expansion of its current system. It also allows the government to work out kinks before it is required for use by small businesses which often lack the personnel to easily deal with new procedures.

During the first three years, new illegal aliens and currently settled ones who lose their jobs will find fewer and fewer places where they can seek work.

But during those first three years, current illegal aliens who stayed in the same job would not be affected by the expanding use of E-Verify.

In the fourth year, however, all of those illegal workers would be run through E-Verify. If their Social Security number, name and a couple more details didn't match -- and they had no excuse -- they would lose their jobs.

NumbersUSA has always maintained that very few businesses actually want to hire illegal aliens. And we believe that of the minority of businesses that do hire illegal aliens, most do so without knowing it or do so because they feel forced to do it to keep from being run out of business by competitors who ARE hiring illegal aliens.

If we give businesses a tool they can rely on, and assure them that their competitors won't get by with hiring illegals, very few illegal aliens will get hired anywhere.

There aren't enough odd-jobs and off-the-books jobs in the underground economy to soak up the estimated 7 million illegal workers in the country. Most illegal aliens will no longer find enough work to support them and their dependents, and most of them will eventually give up their lives of illegality and go home -- ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT & SELF-DEPORTATION.

FIRST-TIME PROVISIONS TO CATCH ILLEGAL ALIENS USING IDENTITY THEFT

All of us inside and outside government who have lauded E-Verify under its different names the last decade have acknowledged that it doesn't identify all illegal aliens.

It works with the majority of illegal aliens who are making up Social Security numbers and names when they apply for a job.

But if an illegal alien has paid the money to steal the identity of an American, or a legally present foreign national, E-Verify passes them through.

The Shuler bill is the first to address this problem and solve it.

It creates a system of detecting when the same identity is being used to hold down more jobs than are credible. In some cases, the same identity is being used by hundreds of people in hundreds of workplaces. The Shuler bill creates a notification system that roots out this fraud. We'll describe this in more detail in a later alert.

We are July filers and we finally got an interview date for Dec 18th. Jeez that seems like a long time away.

How does a person go about investing in oil futures?

Jokes

Don't worry. When he gets here and starts eating the same ####### the rest of America eats he'll be over a 30 waist in no time!

Maybe she should learn to use "the mouth" !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Perspective_Vortex

Maybe it IS overly politically correct

Yes it is. I walk with a limp sometimes but I don't get all pissed off when I hear the words "crippled" or "lame".

f##k that saw-off napoloen complex dictator chopf##k asshat...

I think people need to stop being over-sensitive about words. "Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me."

Opinios are like a$$holes. Everybody has one.

Free will.

There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.

- Ken Olson, Digital Equipment Corporation (1977)

If you didn't like him grabbing your hooters then why did you keep going back???

"head-slapping, simulated drowning, and frigid temperatures."

If that is considered torture than I was tortured extensively as a child when:

1) I smarted off to my parents and got slapped upside the head.

2) My brother dunked me in the swimming pool.

3) I stood at the bus stop waiting for the school bus in the middle of winter.

throwing someone in a pool is not waterboarding.. and.. were u naked in the middle of winter?

Now you're making stuff up. There was nothing in the original article about waterboarding or being naked.

"head-slapping, simulated drowning, and frigid temperatures."

If that is considered torture than I was tortured extensively as a child when:

1) I smarted off to my parents and got slapped upside the head.

2) My brother dunked me in the swimming pool.

3) I stood at the bus stop waiting for the school bus in the middle of winter.

$9 an hour is not enough?? its farm pickers, not managers or IT professionals.

Nothing is keeping the mexicans from doing this work other than farmer greed. There is no numerical limit to the number of H2A visa's given out so the farmers have an adequate supply of workers available. But 1) they choose not to plan ahead and 2) don't want to pay the required minimum wage.

now intends to move him into the family home in Port Talbot, South Wales, - once Alan has moved out.

If the ex-husband lets that happen then something is seriously wrong with this picture.