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Department of Homeland Security - Travel Security and Procedures.

Domestic Travel

Airline boarding pass. (Photo TSA)

The Department of Homeland Security, through the Transportation and Security Administration (TSA), is responsible for security of the nation's transportation systems.

Highlights

TSA Travel Assistant. Up-to-date information on airport security procedures.

Screening Procedures. Steps to make the airport screening process more efficient and quick.

Watch List. Traveler Identity Verification Program works with the relevant parties (including airlines) to resolve any inaccuracies or inconsistencies that may have resulted in misidentifications.

Much as the idiot Kip Hawley would like to think so posting something on a TSA website does not make it the law

Try reading Gilmore v Gonzales for the up to date position. That case is the current authority on the issue and unless you are saying the current stated case law is not the definitive authority as to what the law actually is then I suggest you waste time googling

The law on this matter is clearly settled for the present. Here is non technical overview

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilmore_v._Gonzales

Judges sided against Gilmore, ruling that people can still travel without identification, provided that the individual in question be placed through more stringent security measures.

YOU'VE made a travel list, checked it twice. But at the airport, you discover something not so nice: Your photo ID is missing.

Can you still fly?

The Transportation Security Administration doesn't advertise it. And few travelers know about it. But it's possible to fly domestically, even if your ID is lost, stolen, expired or forgotten. You'll just have to go through additional security.

Although federal law requires passengers 18 and older to present a government-issued picture ID, TSA and the airlines will make exceptions for passengers who have become separated from their identification.

http://www.latimes.com/travel/columnists/l...avel-columnists

Yet they make no reference to which federal law requires this. Sloppy journalism at its best. Whilst the story confirms that NO ID is needed they miss the real story here which is that there is a supposedly secretive direction issued by the FAA that passengers must present identification upon initial check-in. Now quite how I provide ID to my lap top when I check In online or to an automated kiosk at an airport I have no idea. This was successfully challenged in Supreme court and the 9th Circuit held that one can either choose to show ID or 'volunteer' for additional screening. That decision stands as of today and the law is therefore quiet clear in that you do NOT need to show ID to fly domestically. To have secret laws imposed without ever knowing what they are seems not only wholly at odds with constitution but a worrying state of affairs the significance of which goes way beyond showing a photo ID.

you might not have to show ID at check-in but I am pretty sure you have to show ID when you got through Security....

No you do not. Nor should you.You can simply say I have no idea and go through the war on bottled water secondary screening.

My identity in no ways confirms that I am 'safe" person to fly any more than lack of identity suggests that I am a "threat". The whole thing is a pony show for the public. The only reason ID has ever been required by the airlines is for revenue protection. Government has no place in protecting private companies revenue by enacting legislation. I realize this is going a bit off topic and much deeper than the OP but as his question has been answered and some people are still replying why not

On the subject of the OP how far advanced is the pregnancy/ Airlines do differ as to when they will allow you to fly when pregnant and a bigger obstacle may be the pregnancy than ID. Just a thought - check with the airline if the dates you are travelling on coincides with an advanced state of pregnancy.

YOU'VE made a travel list, checked it twice. But at the airport, you discover something not so nice: Your photo ID is missing.

Can you still fly?

The Transportation Security Administration doesn't advertise it. And few travelers know about it. But it's possible to fly domestically, even if your ID is lost, stolen, expired or forgotten. You'll just have to go through additional security.

Although federal law requires passengers 18 and older to present a government-issued picture ID, TSA and the airlines will make exceptions for passengers who have become separated from their identification.

http://www.latimes.com/travel/columnists/l...avel-columnists

Yet they make no reference to which federal law requires this. Sloppy journalism at its best. Whilst the story confirms tha NO ID is needed they miss the real story here which is that there is a supposedly secretive direction issued by the FAA that passengers must present identification upon initial check-in. Now quite how I provide ID to my lap top when I check In online or to an automated kiosk at an airport I have no idea. This was successfully challenged in Supreme court and the 9th Circuit held that one can either choose to show ID or 'volunteer' for additional screening. That decision stands as of today and the law is therefore quiet clear in that you do NOT need to show ID to fly domestically. To have secret laws imposed without ever knowing what they are seems not only wholly at odds with constitution but a worrying state of affairs the significance of which goes way beyond showing a photo ID.

This is all great and dandy, back to OP

The passport will do.

Well it is great and dandy if you want a full answer rather a partial one....

Please don't make snide comments to my husband. The point was made that ID is required and if that ID comes in the form of a passport rather than a US Drivers Licence, so be it and bring the passport.

Annie

It was correct information not a snide comment. Your assertion that ID is required is plain and simple wrong information. ID is NOT required. Please post a link to the actual legislation that legally requires you to provide ID in order to travel domestically within the continental USA. Another poster has already provided a link to a court decision that explicitly states that you do NOT have to provide ID but can instead elect to make your self a Secondary security screening selectee. Maybe those darned judges were just being snide

Every time I go through security screening at an airport, aside from almost completely disrobing, I have to present valid picture ID with my boarding pass. I use my driver's license for domestic flights.

Am I missing something?

Yes. The fact that you do this does not mean there is any LEGAL REQUIREMENT for you to do so. Sheeples just go along with the security charade and the farcical behaviour of the organisation called the TSA

Oh, please. What's the big deal about showing ID?

I'm much more impressed when someone takes a stand for something important, like world hunger or the lack of potable water in so many areas of the world...

The big deal revolves around minor little irritants like, freedom, privacy, and the rights and protections afforded by the constitution. I am sure had the founding fathers been aware of potable water issues they would have included something about it but as it stands I simply chose to deal with the OP question and the misinformation that was given in replies to them. Their issue was ID when travelling I answered that. So far as I am aware an expired visa has no affect on world hunger so I will leave that out of my reply to them.

This is all great and dandy, back to OP

The passport will do.

Well it is great and dandy if you want a full answer rather a partial one. People with a similar but not identical question may well find this thread on search and its useful to provide full information where at all possible is my take

The passport is not even needed. You can check in online or at a self service kiosk so no ID needed there.

The only person that will ask to see ID is the line checker at a larger airport prior to entering the TSA check. ID is not needed if you are willing to undergo SSSS. The chances of one these McDonalds rejects knowing the first thing about a foreign passport or a visa is virtually none.

A valid passport issued by a foreign government is acceptable ID however not all domestic air travel is free of immigration authority inspections as claimed by an earlier poster. So it is up to the traveller to make sure they are aware of the situation where they are travelling and how to best deal with their own situation.

Every time I go through security screening at an airport, aside from almost completely disrobing, I have to present valid picture ID with my boarding pass. I use my driver's license for domestic flights.

Am I missing something?

Yes. The fact that you do this does not mean there is any LEGAL REQUIREMENT for you to do so. Sheeples just go along with the security charade and the farcical behaviour of the organisation called the TSA

SSSS is as described by Lal_Brandow above. Most people do show ID but there is no legal requirement to do so on domestic flights it is more to do with a revenue protection procedure for the airlines. Either way a passport is a valid government ID and the agent could care less about visa validity. On most domestic routes many of the check in staff will never have even dealt with a passport. ORL to DFW should pose no problems.

My wife and I are wondering if she can fly to Dallas to visit with her friend. We are going through the AOS process where we also applied for EAD and travel permission. She has already had her biometrics appointment as well. The thing is that by all appearances, she is in this country illegally. This is even though we have applied for the AOS before her visa has expired.

If she were to go to an airport and be asked to show identification, her visa will show that it is expired. We are wanting to travel to Dallas for her friend's wedding. Is there anything the USCIS can give to show that my wife is here legally while pending approval of the AOS? Or will the airline let her on even with an expired visa? I do not want to drive the 10 hours with a pregnant woman, so the advise about just driving there is not a good option at this point.

Your wife is not here illegally. She is in a pending status.

You need to get this clear. She entered legally, married legally, and filed to adjust status. Therefore, she is here Legally.

You can use her passport, a copy of the marriage cert to show any disparity in the names on the tickets and I would carry the 1797c to show that she is in a pending status.

All though, it would be easier for her if she had a state issued ID, her passport will be sufficient. I would check with the Airline to see what types of ID they will accept.

There is NO requirement to show ANY ID to fly domestically. You are simply treated as a SSSS and subject to a secondary screening.

My mother has been in hospital and I've literally just been told by sister that my mother is dying. My mother is aksing to see me ... and I have to get back to the UK quickly ... funds are short and I need to know what "compassoin flights" are ... please, can anyone advise me??? I haven't seen my mother for almost two years and I must get back ...

I am sorry you are going through a difficult personal time. BA do not offer bereavement/compassionate fares In fact I am at a loss to think of any major carries that still do.

In reality these fares often did not any significant advantage or savings over other fare classes that were available.

If you can give us some more specific details re Route and dates etc I can look what availability there is on different fare codes for those dates. Most airlines will be helpful re ticket changes in these circumstances without charging change fees.

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I am in desperate need to find cheap airfare to Algiers in May. Got any suggestions? I need to keep it well under $1000 usd.

Thanks

Asiya

The lowest fare currently showing for May departures is shown below

Birmingham, AL to Algiers, Algeria: 5366 miles 20 hrs 5 min

Delta Air Lines Flight DL4413 on a Canadair Reg. Jet (jet) in coach class (operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines, Inc.)

Departs Birmingham, AL (BHM) Wed, May 2 3:30pm 1 hr 1 min

Arrives Atlanta, GA (ATL) 5:31pm

1 adult in booking code K, covered by fare (A1) below

Layover in Atlanta 3 hrs 24 min

Air France Flight AF385 on a Boeing 747 (jet) in coach class (meal, breakfast)

Departs Atlanta, GA (ATL) Wed, May 2 8:55pm 8 hrs 15 min

Arrives Paris, France (CDG) Thur, May 3 11:10am

1 adult in booking code L, covered by fare (A1) below

Layover in Paris 5 hrs 5 min

Air France Flight AF2354 on an Airbus A320 (jet) in coach class

Departs Paris, France (CDG) Thur, May 3 4:15pm 2 hrs 20 min

Arrives Algiers, Algeria (ALG) 5:35pm

1 adult in booking code L, covered by fare (A1) below

Note: The flight from Atlanta (ATL) to Paris (CDG) is overnight.

Note: You must change terminals in Atlanta (ATL).

Note: You must change terminals in Paris (CDG).

Algiers, Algeria to Birmingham, AL: 5366 miles 31 hrs 28 min

Air France Flight AF2355 on an Airbus A320 (jet) in coach class

Departs Algiers, Algeria (ALG) Fri, May 11 7:05pm 2 hrs 25 min

Arrives Paris, France (CDG) 10:30p

1 adult in booking code L, covered by fare (A2) below

Layover in Paris 10 hrs 55 min

Air France Flight AF8984 on a Boeing 767 (jet) in coach class (operated by Delta Air Lines as Flight DL29)

Departs Paris, France (CDG) Sat, May 12 9:25am 9 hrs 50 min

Arrives Atlanta, GA (ATL) 1:15pm

1 adult in booking code L, covered by fare (A2) below

Layover in Atlanta 7 hrs 20 min

Air France Flight AF8770 on a MD-80 (jet) in coach class (operated by Delta Air Lines as Flight DL1123)

Departs Atlanta, GA (ATL) Sat, May 12 8:35pm 58 min

Arrives Birmingham, AL (BHM) 8:33pm

1 adult in booking code L, covered by fare (A2) below

Note: There is an overnight stop in Paris (CDG).

Note: You must change terminals in Paris (CDG).

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Booking details

If you want to buy this ticket, it's probably best to use a travel agent (this ticket involves multiple airlines, which can get complicated). If you use a travel agent to buy this ticket:

If your travel agent is online and has an e-mail address, e-mail this itinerary to them

If your travel agent is not online, print out this page and fax/give it to them

It is very important to use exactly the same booking codes and fare codes that we've used on this page in order to match the price we've found.

Fare (A1): AF BHMALG LKXNRUS5 fare (rules) $ 416.50

Fare (A2): AF ALGBHM LKWNRUS5 fare (rules) $ 441.50

Tax: US International Departure Tax $ 15.10

Tax: Algeria Airport Tax (int'l) DZD 900

Tax: US International Arrival Tax $ 15.10

Tax: French Airport Tax € 17.50

Tax: French Aviation Civile Tax € 14.08

Tax: US Customs Fee $ 5.00

Tax: US Immigration Fee $ 7.00

Tax: USDA APHIS Fee $ 5.00

Tax: US September 11th Security Fee $ 7.50

Tax: US Passenger Facility Charge $ 12.00

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Total for 1 adult passenger: $978.20

(as of Monday, February 12, 2007 7:07pm; fares loaded Monday, February 12, 2007 3:02pm)

You may have missed the point that moderation of other members isn't really in your realm,

I totally disagree. This group is completely self-moderated.

The amount of misinfo around here is apalling at times. You should be sending fwaguy a thank you card for the amount of research he is willing to put in and share for those who won't/can't.

Just because someone comes in and starts yelling (having misunderstood the situation in the first place) does not make them more right, just louder.

Oh my thank you for telling me what I should be doing I am not sure how that will help the OP. Screeching alledged TOS violations does not help the OP either. They asked a question about something that bothered them. Clearly as the admin has been in this thread and the OP remains it would appear that it wasn't a breach of TOS after all, to paraphrase you, the amount of misinfo is apalling at times and just because someone yells TOS Breach doesn't make them right.

Still anytime I need an opinion I will be sure to ask you what it should be

Thank God fwaguy wasn't arond when I originally asked that same question last year! I might have gotten my own unwanted earful.

btw...notice Im still here....

Post of the day

....how can they prove you wrong?

They do NOT have to. The onus is on YOU to prove yourself correct to their satisfaction. BTW AOS is discretionary not mandatory or a right.

And more importantly, how often does this scenario happen, as another poster has asked a few times? ...

It only needs to happen once if you are the person it happens to. The other times aren't of any consequence to your personal life.

My bank is USBank. They don't refund the fees charged by the other banks yet but they don't charge me if I use my card in someone else's ATM. I also get free checks and checking. The competition made this happen. One bank started it and now the others have to follow suit or die. The same goes for health care. There will be a company come up with a better way and all the other insurance companies will either follow or they will go down. Look at it this way. If we go to a single payer system then there is NO competition what so ever. There will be nothing to stop price hikes. The greedy bastards in Washington will see it as another way to line their pockets at our expense. By then it will be to late. There will be no going back. Sorry, I will never support this or vote for anyone that supports this very bad idea.

So the free market works in Banking and will be the saviour of Medical Care?

You may want to read exactly how the free market works for USBank and medcial care for its employees

http://www.kscourts.org/ca10/cases/2006/06/05-1146.htm

Perhaps that is why you choose to bank with them

Of course the free market heros at USBank would never be like those "greedy bastards in Washington" would they?

1) The OP is not currently present in the USA

2) The OP is not currently an immediate relative of a USC

3) Knowingly enter the US with the intent to immigrate using a non-immigrant visa or program is a violation of immigration law.

4) Any discussion on the board advocating or circumventing immigration law is a violation of the TOS

I challenge you to dispute anything I wrote.

Sometimes it isn't what you say but how you say it. You may have missed the point that moderation of other members isn't really in your realm, and rightly so as the OP has not breached those TOS they have asked for information, clarification and advice

Any person who arrives on a non-immigrant visa (b1/2) or who uses a non-immigrant program (VWP) who has immigrant intent is a violation of immigration law plain and simple. A thread such as this is also a violation of the TOS of this board (Please note the disclaimer on the bottom of each page).

Sorry mate but this is a forum to ask questions, she has asked a question and deserves an answer, if you don't like the subject piss off and do what ever you do with you pointless day. Don't hack on the OP for asking a question. Its people like you that ruin this forum with your sucking up to the administrators.

nathmc31.... your post is totaly uncalled for.... what fwaguy said is actually true.... yes ask questions about what your options are but to look for info on how get around the visa system is against the TOS...

Kez

In fairness the OP stated what they had heard and asked if it was correct and then asked for advice through the maze. It does strike me as a baiting post however it could be genuine and whilst nathmc uses a tone that is sterotypically Australian in language and directness I tend to agree with the content Quasi moderation is uncalled for. If someone has a problem with a post they can report it and let the Admin make the decision .

However as fwaguy is so hung up on TOS issues he might want to consider this part of them

you agree that when using the Service, you will not..............

Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Forums

just my thoughts

I would get an EAD for the dog, it would probably come quicker!..just kidding.

......

I want to know if the dog needs to apply for LPR status if not then perhaps if we all claimed to be animals we could avoid the paperwork

Well.........getting back to the subject of the thread just for a moment.....How much does the EAD cost? I don't think I am able to get one according to what people have said, but I'm interested to know how much it would cost.

As far as the AOS interveiw goes, I will have to wait and find out as to what questions they will ask me, when the time comes. My husband and I will have been married for two years on the 14th of february, so I think that may be of some benifit to us at the interview.

You can apply for an EAD either at the same time or after you apply for AOS. Current cost is I believe $180. The benefit of your two years is you will not have conditions imposed should your application be successful - good luck

Above you say that there are cases "where people have been refused on the basis of immigrant intent should you care to use the search function"

I used the search function and can't find them. I just want the links to the threads showing those cases. It'd be interesting to see what questions were asked.

It appears not http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/manc...time/search.jpg

Of course adjustment of status is considered discretionary. USCIS may still deny an application for adjustment of status even where none of the statutory bars applies.

In practice, adjustment of status will be granted where the alien is statutorily eligible and there are no "negative factors." When such negative factors exist, the factors will be weighed to determine whether adjustment will be granted. Close family relatives, particularly immediate relatives, may be a strong factor favoring adjustment.

Preconceived intent to remain in the U.S. at the time of entry as a nonimmigrant, even though not resulting in fraud or willful misrepresentation, may be a sufficient negative factor to deny adjustment of status.

You might want to spend a few moments reading the information HERE lest you run away with the idea that it is all a mere formality

That info pertains to "fraudulent marriages" which indicates that the marriage, itself, is fake.... that the couple are only married so that the alien can obtain a greencard, which doesn't apply in my case.

I was aware of what the link referred to. The line of questioning in reference to immigrant intent is just as pervasive and detailed. That was the point I wished to demonstrate. I am not talking about your individual case or any one elses for that matter. If you wish to believe that immigrant intent is never questioned and people are never denied an application for AOS based on immigrant intent and that they are never removed from the USA and all is plain sailing in the world of AOS interviews then so be it. :shrugs: If you honestly believe that all AOS interviews go along the lines you suggested in your post then you may well find yourself in for a very rude awakening indeed. I sincerely hope you don't

Same here.....I would think that most interviewers are more interested in catching "mail order" bride type fraudulent marriages rather than people deciding to get married after they come into the US as a visitor. At least that's what I gather from filling out the forms, etc. It mainly wants you to provide information that shows you are in fact, in a "bonifide" marriage and not a fradulent marriage just to obtain a green card for an alien, since that's the quickest way for an immigrant to enter the US as a legal immigrant.

Now I could be wrong, but it seems like there would be no forgiving overstays or marriages while on Visitor Visas by the authorities at USCIS if the goal was to catch people not following the K-1 process exclusively. It's not illegal or they wouldn't approve anyone who does it that way, right? They'd deport 'em if it were, cause they can....

You might want to do some bedtime reading and revise those opinions

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statist...05_Yearbook.pdf

Well I brought my cat with me. I almost hope they ask me about the cat. I'll offer to let the AO keep the cat for a few weeks and see why I wanted to bring him with me and not leave him in a kennel or with someone else.

Across a land border rather than a trans oceanic flight. There is a difference in that it is not so unusual for Canadians to transport pets as it is for people from the UK. I am not saying it is the end of the world and will for sure cause a problem. All I am saying is be aware of the potential it has to raise a red flag in the circumstances as described by the OP. It may or may not ever be raised as an issue. But I see no harm in drawing attention to it. The only person whose opinion on this matter actually counts is the IO conducting the interview. But if the OP is forewarned they are forearmed. Sheeesh I didn't intend to start pet wars

it's really odd, I've never seen one person who adjusted from something other than a K-1 or K-3 visa report being asked about their intentions upon entering the US......anyone here ever had an AOS interview experience where they were asked if thier intent was to immigration from one of these other Visa types?

Reason I ask is that I see all these dire warnings, but then have never, ever seen someone report that they were asked about this.

Maybe they had no Internet access after they were deported There are stated cases where people have been refused on the basis of immigrant intent should you care to use the search function. It is unusual in that most AOS form VWP appear to be fairly plain sailing, however that I am sure is due in no small [part to the applicants being adequately prepared and able to deal with the questioning. It does no harm to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

If you want some reading on actual experiences at various offices this site isn't bad

http://www.kamya.com/interview/130int2.html

I'll be sure to it on the list of potential questions for our AOS interview, then lol

"How did you meet each other?

Did you intend to marry when you came to visit the US?

Did you intend to immigrate to the US upon your arrival at the POE?

Can you prove you had no intention of immigrating to the US before your visit? (ie: family/work ties or unfinished and ongoing business in the UK, etc.)....

Ok! No problem, you've passed!!....welcome to America!

Oh wait...one more important thing.....

Did you bring your dog with you? YOU DID???!!!

AH-HAAAA! FORGET IT! DENIED! Go back where you came from....sneaky #######!! "

:) :) :)

Ya never know though, do ya?

You might want to spend a few moments reading the information HERE lest you run away with the idea that it is all a mere formality