merijan

Well Im not mena but my husband is from Pakistan. I think you have to relax a little about the evidence and dont presume what they will say at the interview. You are legitimate, so you have to show the honest and sincere part of your relationship. Photos are a big thing, you have been to Egypt thats a big thing, photos there, reicepts there, where did you stay, proof of that,. chat logs are good, We sorted through and just turned in enough to show at what point we were talking regular to each other, and how often, He had called me from Pakistan several times on a landline , so we had that bill. I had also called him from a landline, that bill. He went to London on a student visa so I went there to see him, all that info was included. I had six letters of our relationship written by family and friends. Some of them were noterized. I even included pictures my kids drew for him, cards they sent, letters they wrote. So dont analize it too much. Give them everything you can to show your true colors. He did buy me a simple ring in UK , that reciept as well as a pic of us at the shop. Just anything you can think of . Too much,, maybe but u never know what they are going to look at so cover all of it.

Israeli action against Gaza will make matters worse

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By Yousef Munayyer

January 2, 2009

There is great grief around the globe for the people in Gaza but there should also be a genuine fear for the safety of Israeli citizens as well. As a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship I have many friends and family members who are in range of Hamas rockets in the south and of Hezbollah rockets in the north.

While at first glance the Israeli actions against Hamas in Gaza may seem like a legitimate response to rocket fire, in the long run, the actions of the Israeli government have put more Israeli and Palestinian lives in jeopardy and may possibly have ruined the hopes of ever reaching a two-state solution.

Some may find it difficult to believe but it's important to think about the events of last week not only in the present but also in the context of the past and future. A poll from Israel last week indicated only 39 percent of respondents thought that the massive attacks against Hamas in Gaza would lead to an end of rocket fire. Perhaps this is because the Israeli government had already found a way to practically end rocket fire before abandoning it for belligerency.

During the Egyptian-brokered cease-fire, Hamas rocket fire from Gaza dropped dramatically. However, instead of nurturing what could have been the beginning of a much longer cease-fire, the Israeli government took a calculated step on Nov. 4 by killing four Hamas members they accused of smuggling weapons. Immediately afterwards Hamas responded by sending rockets, and Israel tightened its siege on Gaza.

Every step taken by the Israeli Cabinet is thought about carefully. They hope now, with this war that they brought on, to "change the equation" and break the stalemate in the peace process that has existed since Hamas was elected in 2006.

But does this really change the equation?

Even if the entire leadership of Hamas, a designated terror organization, is wiped out by Israeli raids, does that in anyway change the rejectionist sentiment among the population that elected it? Of course not. In fact, it will probably make the situation worse.

At the foundation of Hamas is the principle of rejecting negotiations with Israel because Israel cannot be viewed as a negotiating partner in good faith. Though Hamas' methods, like attacks on civilians, can never be morally justified, its opposition to Israel is based on legitimate grievances like illegal occupation, political imprisonment and siege. How are these brutal attacks on Gaza, following its slow and steady starvation, supposed to win the hearts and minds of Palestinians who previously supported Hamas?

The problem with dealing with Hamas the way Israel has is that Hamas is not merely an organization, it is a movement, and it is a movement that more and more people in the Arab and Muslim world grow sympathetic to each time it is attacked. With looped images of mangled bodies strewn across burnt pavement pervading the Arab news networks, there is outrage from Morocco to Manila.

In 2006, Israel used the same logic to deal with Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hezbollah, another designated terror organization, is today more popular than it was before the war both among the Shiites in Lebanon and the Arab and Muslim world in general.

Throughout the first and second Palestinian uprising, Israel targeted Hamas' leadership time after time. After nearly two decades of this policy, Hamas was able to win the first national Palestinian election it participated in, even taking a number of Palestinian Christian votes.

Each and every time Israel strikes Hamas the organization, Hamas the movement grows. Why then did Israel choose to employ failed tactics once again despite the success of the recent cease-fire?

The Israeli government owes answers to the international community, to Palestinians, and most of all to its own public.

nice article.

this YouTube video I will post just boiled my blood. This is wickedness and hate in the fullest. Calling people that disagree with them to go to hell, or burn in the oven is just wickedness. Signs filled with words of hate. Then all of a sudden stop what they are doing to pray. Im ticked to know this happened. And right in the middle of Ft. Lauderdale Fl.

Im not amused this happened and Im certainly not impressed. Im quite ashamed of the people acting like that.

I think it is uncalled for. I know we have had many demonstrations here, and we were told , and we never yelled things like this. Yes we were against Israel and what they were doing, but never like that.

you said it makes your blood boil. And I know that feeling , these things make my blood boil also.

many things like this have happened over and over and over.... makes my blood boil

we could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on READ THIS does this also make your blood boil????

EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH by Israeli officials

Posted in January 1st, 2009

by Farhad Abdolian in Crime, History, Israel, Media, Middle East, Palestine, Peace, Racism, War, World

EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH

EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH

1. “There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ­not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.” Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. “The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”…. Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. ” [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs.” Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts”. New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. “The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. “How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.” Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. “There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.” Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : “We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return.” Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.”

11. “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI’s cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. “We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. “We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return” David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar’s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. ” … we should prepare to go over to the offensive with the aim of smashing Lebanon, Trans-jordan and Syria… The weak point in the Arab coalition is Lebanon [for] the Moslem regime is artificial and easy to undermine. A Christian state should be established… When we smash the [Arab] Legions strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan, too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria, and Cairo.” ” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

17. “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. “We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!’” Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin’s description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. “We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters” Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion’s special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From “The Arabs in Israel” by Sabri Jiryas.

20. “There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:…the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish…with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary.” Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency’s Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

23. “Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

24. “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” — Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

25. “We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

26. “We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

27. “We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not…You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” (Chaim Weizmann, Published in “Judische Rundschau,” No. 4, 1920)

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If you dont want to wear it on your ring just put it on a long chain and wear it under your clothes. they wont see it.

Lal, i too wanted to comment on mr kitty before i saw staashi did already!!! What a pretty cat he was!! Will you be getting another one? Cats are such wonderful friends!

Off topic I cant resist your little boy is sooooooooooooo cute and I want to squeeze his cheeks and my hubby loves to bite kids cheeks and he said these are definetly bitealbe cheeks...LOL hes cute.oopst I ment to put Zaids Mommy on there....

in the middle eastern area of VJ I know of only one marriage that was real. Pretty much, we are being used.

Then you don't know many MENA members.

Either that, or you don't know your husband as well as you think you do

Or maybe you dont know much at all. such a biased statement..

I was told that the reason why Egypt closed their boarders was because the last time they did that the palestinians killed people in Egypt????? Anyone know why they closed off the boarders ???

I have not hear that I will check it out. But I know there are many other reasons Egypt closes its border..im sure they are all political..

hello.. im getting late start with fileing for my husbands immigration due to my mom in hospital and so so ill from cance5r but anyways,,, i rad on here and see different timelines for k3 and they confuse me,, one said she had a home interview after her husband had interview in cairo..... plus a phone interview also she had,, this confused me,,,also i see people on here some getting visas 6 months some waiting over a year,, and they all from egypt like my husband,,but yet lawyers will swear they can get my husband here in 3 to 6 months,, im so confused,, please someone throw me a bone here,if theres anyone in egypt going through this id like to talkk to them and if anyone knows anything that can help ,,,,,, please do so ,,, thanks a million

Well you can wait and let alot more people chime in, however I dont think a lawyer can get him here that soon. And most of the people here did not use a lawyer. They just take your money for something you can do, and they dont really help much unless there are other serious issues with the case.

You need to tell us a little more about ur case for us to give u more advice. And some can tell you the best way to file. However either way u will have a little wait time. Good luck.

Too bad all Muslims don't get blown up to pieces when one Muslim terrorist blows himself up... would be a good deterrent.

Stupid statement as usual from such an ignorant person.. Go check out the articles I posted about Pakistan.. Terrorists are killing Muslims there its not about Islam.. or do you get that??.. . As we said they are not acting as Muslims they are doing this for thier own political agenda.

in the middle eastern area of VJ I know of only one marriage that was real. Pretty much, we are being used.

Umm I think there are plenty more that are real.Its a far fetch statement to say there was only one.

Honestly I hope it does, out of the woman who married at the same time I have... and trust me there was alot.... all but one married to get here and was used...

if it wakes one woman up and starts them talking...im all for it

I am sorry to hear about the issues in your life Heartland. I wish you a better 2009!

As for what you write, I do think there is a truth to it. I am sure it will open up a can of worms, though.

I think that it is a terrible thing for men to do that. I am so sorry for your situation.

No doubt there will be some that do that. However there are also many here on visa journey that have legitimate marriages. But I do think you have the right to warn others because it can happen and people need to look for the signs and be aware.Fortunetly my husband is sincere and honest. However I did have my friend who is married to a Pakistani check him out a little before I continued a relationship with him. And the time we took , almost three years, allowed us to really get to know each other, and the struggle to be together is what keeps us strong when things get rough between us (normal stuff all marriages go through).

Again I feel bad for what happened to you, please stay strong for your kids.

Israeli citizens suffer too. Dont think that just bcz they are in Israels gov limits that they dont hurt and have a heart. You are talking government for militia. Theres alot of people in Palestine and Israel hurting tonight. Someone in Israel has a friend in Palestine they are hurting for.... Someone in Palestine has a friend in Israel they are hurting for.

Yes I dont celebrate when Israeli children and innocent civilians are killed. I am saddened by this. However please just watch this documentary video and then tell me tell me how fair is Israel.. please.. because I will never ever agree with Israels policys. And I know , because I know many Palestinians, I know the true storys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SbjAanvUqs

semantics

Sure, if you insist. The visa process is one where the use of correct terminology is an extremely useful tool and where the use of the wrong terminology causes confusion and delay.

Well pushbrk you are definately your profile.. a striaght talker. but if I were to give all new people here advice I would say definately follow your instructionns and input and go with your advice. You are always precise and that is what people need so they dont make mistakes and become confused.

when one suffers we all suffer. ..Prophet Rasul ALLAH PBUH

sis, listen when a donkey kicks you no use to kick it back coz donkey cant change will always be a kicking donkey. then when you got a pack of them then you have showing off kicking donkey. just leave it.

true , better to leave it.

We are one Ummah, and when one is hurt, the entire Ummah feels the pain...don't worry and don't stress, you have stood up for our faith and God is with us. May Allah keep us safe and increase our faith and keep us strong, Ameen.

Inshallah we all need to take a stand when needed, and at the same time I refuse to be apologetic. The real true Islam is something beautiful and those who mis represent should be obvious to the informed person. And at the same time things that are true but sometimes conflict with what our society deems as "ok" or 'normal" I wont apologize for , I live in this society but the society does not live in me, Islam does.

when one suffers we all suffer. ..Prophet Rasul ALLAH PBUH

sis, listen when a donkey kicks you no use to kick it back coz donkey cant change will always be a kicking donkey. then when you got a pack of them then you have showing off kicking donkey. just leave it.

true , better to leave it.

For the sake of easing the tension in this thread, i would like to suggest that everyone go easier on Charles.

Everyone knows that Charles loves Muslims. He cannot get enough of them, and that's why he is always in the MENA forum.

Now, let's have some tea.

hmmm.. I dont agree.. maybe he has other reasons to be there...after noteing some of his comments about Islam..

i'm still waiting for an answer to my question in post #7

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=169648

in the meantime, detective merijan is on the case. let's tune in later and see what she's turned up.

Perhaps it all went over your head and out the window. The thing is I was being sarcastic in that the prev poster had refereed to people who shoot guns off at new years as idiots on the streets. And the fact that most of those types are gun toteing ignorant thinkers , I was referencing you to them. Because of the prev comment you had responded to regarding Islam.

oh cool, finally you admit you made a personal attack. it's not that i mistook it for anything else, i just wanted to see if you'd admit it.

Exactly.. just like you made a personal attack when you attack my faith..

um no, but nice try. i didn't include your name with that picture, did i?

Nice way to get out of it. However you were obviously trying to follow up with an insult to Islam when you posted the pic. And anyone who joins in to isult my faith.. its an isult to me.

For the sake of easing the tension in this thread, i would like to suggest that everyone go easier on Charles.

Everyone knows that Charles loves Muslims. He cannot get enough of them, and that's why he is always in the MENA forum.

Now, let's have some tea.

hmmm.. I dont agree.. maybe he has other reasons to be there...after noteing some of his comments about Islam..

i'm still waiting for an answer to my question in post #7

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=169648

in the meantime, detective merijan is on the case. let's tune in later and see what she's turned up.

Perhaps it all went over your head and out the window. The thing is I was being sarcastic in that the prev poster had refereed to people who shoot guns off at new years as idiots on the streets. And the fact that most of those types are gun toteing ignorant thinkers , I was referencing you to them. Because of the prev comment you had responded to regarding Islam.

oh cool, finally you admit you made a personal attack. it's not that i mistook it for anything else, i just wanted to see if you'd admit it.

Exactly.. just like you made a personal attack when you attack my faith..

For the sake of easing the tension in this thread, i would like to suggest that everyone go easier on Charles.

Everyone knows that Charles loves Muslims. He cannot get enough of them, and that's why he is always in the MENA forum.

Now, let's have some tea.

hmmm.. I dont agree.. maybe he has other reasons to be there...after noteing some of his comments about Islam..

i'm still waiting for an answer to my question in post #7

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=169648

in the meantime, detective merijan is on the case. let's tune in later and see what she's turned up.

Perhaps it all went over your head and out the window. The thing is I was being sarcastic in that the prev poster had refereed to people who shoot guns off at new years as idiots on the streets. And the fact that most of those types are gun toteing ignorant thinkers , I was referencing you to them. Because of the prev comment you had responded to regarding Islam.

For the sake of easing the tension in this thread, i would like to suggest that everyone go easier on Charles.

Everyone knows that Charles loves Muslims. He cannot get enough of them, and that's why he is always in the MENA forum.

Now, let's have some tea.

hmmm.. I dont agree.. maybe he has other reasons to be there...after noteing some of his comments about Islam..

Charles please , you posted that pic after an ignorant and hatefull comment regarding Islam was posted. NO need to post it. but you were trying to make a point to the prev. post. So dont try to be so innocent by saying things like "We should be more angry with the people in the picture" etc...

when you get done here, wander back over to this thread and answer me

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=169648

and in case you forgot, refer to post #34

And your point is???????

Charles please , you posted that pic after an ignorant and hatefull comment regarding Islam was posted. NO need to post it. but you were trying to make a point to the prev. post. So dont try to be so innocent by saying things like "We should be more angry with the people in the picture" etc...

It would appear that the economy has even taken its toll on itiots shooting into the air on New Year's Eve, I only heard about a dozen shots

ammo prices have gone up........

Is that why you did not shoot your gun off charles?

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

When I hear from a huge majority of Muslim's/Islamist's that they will not stand for the extremists in their midst, and actually see them actively demonstrating, turning in terrorists to proper authorities, etc. then I will 'respect' their right to their religion. Until then, they are supporters of the likes of Al Quida and therefor suspect.

Don't be sensitive about being a Muslim, stand up and declare that these people have hijacked the religion. If not, then why not? I just don't see any doing that. Only hearing it is politically incorrect to say anything in wrong with Islam...

Well since you dont live in a place that will allow you to see that , and ALL you see is what the media here wants you to see I guess you will not be able to make an informed decision. For instance in Pakistan they are fighting the very same terrorism. Even more than here, more than UK more than India

http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/11/top17.htm

guess you never saw this one on tv here.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...-12-2008_pg7_27

Here we are talking about Islam today, a sensitive issue and one that is not to be joked around about...especially in the context of this thread. Yet is is very SAD to notice that people here cannot even respect each others religion, forget about stating an informed opinion...charles!, I am saying this in response to your comments.

Having so much experience serving the country and the military should have at least taught you to respect others as much as you want to be respected, but from your comments it seems as if you could not care less, which is up to you of course, you don't have to respect religion, but it makes me wonder what it is that you have to be proud of after so many years of military experience. You are an example of American politics.

When I hear from a huge majority of Muslim's/Islamist's that they will not stand for the extremists in their midst, and actually see them actively demonstrating, turning in terrorists to proper authorities, etc. then I will 'respect' their right to their religion. Until then, they are supporters of the likes of Al Quida and therefor suspect.

Don't be sensitive about being a Muslim, stand up and declare that these people have hijacked the religion. If not, then why not? I just don't see any doing that. Only hearing it is politically incorrect to say anything in wrong with Islam...

Well since you dont live in a place that will allow you to see that , and ALL you see is what the media here wants you to see I guess you will not be able to make an informed decision. For instance in Pakistan they are fighting the very same terrorism. Even more than here, more than UK more than India

http://www.dawn.com/2008/10/11/top17.htm

guess you never saw this one on tv here.

Denial is on of the biggest problems with moderate Muslims.

I agree....but not just the problem of moderate Muslims.....nobody reads or researches or learns....really. I am not a religious person, I'm not...but Islam scares the #### out of me.

i don't know why

I thought you were more informed than that charles...guess I was wrong

whatever charles..