David-Hien

We got married more than 2 yrs, my husband never could speak a Vietnamese sentence. He only required me to speak English with our daughter. I said "NO", I will teach her my Vietnamese language, then I can have private conversation with my girl. hahahhha

I've been thinking about why I'm in AP so I've started thinking about what could have red flagged my case...

Linda & Dung

1. Short engagement after meeting...Met Early December, Engaged Late March, Married Mid May...

2. My parents didnt come back for my wedding - the CO asked about this in the interview...

3. List of SO relatives in US - He had this ready and available - Listed on the blue AP slip...

4. Proof of Bona Fide Relationship - had letters, emails, phone logs, pictures, affidavits - Listed on the AP slip...

5. I live with a guy who's my brother's bestfriend since childhood - the CO questioned me when I visited in Sept 2009

6. I've taken off a total of 4 months in the last 2 years for vacation - the CO asked about my job when I visted in Sept 2009

I think it would help others if anyone in AP could list their "potential" red flags too...

In another post Jerome & Binh listed theirs as:

1. Previous Marriage/Ex-wife in prison for a serious crime - questioned during interview

2. Time line, which Binh did have - listed on the blue AP slip

3. Proof of her relatives in America, this she did not have - listed on the blue AP slip

4. Filed for a visa 2 years before I filed for this petition and I put in a waiver and was deemed eligible to proceed

5. We talked more on Yahoo than on the phone

Linda, I think that your reason of "talking on Yahoo more than on the phone" is not correct.

We knew each other by website and only email conversation within 2 years, I didn't have phone records for the first time we contact each other and I still got pink.

The main reason is your time to get engagement, that is too short from the first meeting to the engagement decision time.

Hey there,

Sorry for the confusion. I have not yet applied for the K-1. I was about 1-2 weeks away from filing the I-129F but I put it on hold. I won't apply for K-1 for a while longer. This is why I inquired about Thu coming from Vietnam to Florida on some tourist/visitor visa. Scott informed me that option is next to impossible. I hope it can still work but it might be better for me to just fly to Vietnam and see her there. I would have to fly to Ho Chi Minh City. Thu lives in Tay Ninh which is about 50-55 miles away.

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It's good if you fly to VN. Be careful with H1N1 flu there.

Scott,

I live on the east side of the state in Broward County so we are not that far apart. Thats cool. One thing I did not mention before. I actually met Thu is Singapore on vacation. She went to Singapore on a vistor type visa to visit friends. I actually saw the visa stamp on her passport. I think it said something like Immigration Singapore Visit Pass permitted to enter and remain in singapore for 30 days for social visit only. I remember reading that. She was even able to extend the visa for 1 more month while in singapore. She returned to Vietnam when the visa expired. Shouldnt this establish some sort of track record that she is first, able to obtain a visa to travel abroad, and second to prove that she will honor the visa? Would this improve her chances of landing a visitor visa to visit me in Florida or am I smoking too much of the good stuff?

The relative list seems to be a standard request when both are Viet.

Every person applying for a visa is assumed to have immigrant intent. That is how the USCIS approaches things. Most typical Vietnamese citizens cannot show strong enough ties to home to make the CO's feel confident that they will return to VN. If she has a good paying job, owns a home, owns a business, and has a good amount of money in teh bank, she may be successful in getting a visa. Many of us have explored the visitor visa and saw the futility of even applying.

Go visit her while the tickets are cheap man.. Around 750 RT from Ft Myers was a great deal for me... I had 50 students apply for tourist visa last month to come here for graduation.. 21 were denied... they dont give visas away there... its like winning the lotto... so dont count on her getting a visa to the US to visit..

There is NO WAY for her to come to US by tourist visa if you have filed K1 visa for her. When US Consulate knows that she had a boyfriend in the USA, they will deny her tourist visa application.

Actually this is good news in my opinion. Just submit the timeline and get the pink. Also find out what questions were asked and the answers and redo the timeline to fit that as I did mine. I only added one date to mine and added one thing to mine then went and notarized it right away and sent it to her. She went a week later and before the date sent and received a pink that same day.

It is not simple as you said. Timeline should be submitted with evidence to prove what they said in timeline. They should send to US Consulate by mail their timeline before interview some weeks.

If their case is ok, they will get PINK after submitted, but if any problem ... (you knew already)

I'm not trying to persuade all of you that all Vietnamese brides came to US are in truthful marriage, but if your guys didn't believe them, why don't your guys come to Vietnam to live with them to avoid scammers coming to your country? Hummm, I like that idea.

I should ask him to come to VN so I didn't have to give up my house, my University degree and my good job to come to the USA to work in McDonald restaurant to look for money to came back to school. I had to start over everything.

You chose the wrong ones by yourselves and now complain for all of the brides.

What in the world are you talking about?

Nothing posted prior to your post was complaining about being scammed.

And no one is indicting Vietnamese women.

And all of the posters in this entire thread seem to be quite happy with their choices.

Anh Map, I felt frustrating because of many posts in two threads, specially in the thread of Calilove, then it appears another thread that said about this story again. Do you think it's two cases or one? That why I said so.

I knew why your guys got scammers, I used to work in 4-star-hotel in Saigon. I understood what would happen, however, I couldnot let it go when you guys said bad things about all Vietnamese brides.

As you all said, it's risky to get a Vietnamese brides, if you knew so why were you not carefully? I feel sad to read these posts.

I'm planning to return to VN for our life later. I'm trying to think out some kind of business or jobs for my husband and me to settle our life in VN when we got old enough in retirement time.

I'm not trying to persuade all of you that all Vietnamese brides came to US are in truthful marriage, but if your guys didn't believe them, why don't your guys come to Vietnam to live with them to avoid scammers coming to your country? Hummm, I like that idea.

I should ask him to come to VN so I didn't have to give up my house, my University degree and my good job to come to the USA to work in McDonald restaurant to look for money to came back to school. I had to start over everything.

You chose the wrong ones by yourselves and now complain for all of the brides.

After a long time I didn't return to visajourney, I thought that everything is ok, but it's not ok at all. There are a lot of couples who are stuck on visa on visajourney. That made me surprise and sad.

I saw one case, a vietnamese girl came to US by business visa, then she got green card by getting married. However, the process couldnot be done within 10 days.

It means she had to drop everything at VN and stay in US until she have GC. Her I-94 must be expired after 6 months, otherwise, she cannot change her status while she on her tourist visa. Besides, she have to know how to file the application with what kind of docs to prove that their marriage is truthful.

Over 20 years ago I married my Japanese (now ex) wife who overstayed her student visa.

Her status was adjusted with no problem, but that was then and now they have more

rules in place to prevent that kind of thing. Adjustment of status used to be routine with

any kind of short-term visa, but times have changed.

I think getting married is no problem, but your friend has got to go back to Singapore and

the USC SO has to apply for the K-3. I think that should satisfy the current law.

The girl as I said above got GC in some days ago, may be last month (I didn't remember exactly date), but she and her boyfriend had strong background and they arranged their wedding and application date as rule 30 and 60 days. I'm following up other cases, there are some other girls, who are going to do the same.

The link is at here: http://www.webtretho.com/forum/showthread....207&page=13, however, it's in Vietnamese language.

I saw one case, a vietnamese girl came to US by business visa, then she got green card by getting married. However, the process couldnot be done within 10 days.

It means she had to drop everything at VN and stay in US until she have GC. Her I-94 must be expired after 6 months, otherwise, she cannot change her status while she on her tourist visa. Besides, she have to know how to file the application with what kind of docs to prove that their marriage is truthful.

submit online at: https://egov.uscis.gov/crisgwi/go?action=coa

Give this link to your spouse in VN (it is wrote by Vietnamese language): http://www.k1tous.com/k3cr1.htm

Please, you need to grow up real fast, hopefully to salvage your marriage, REAL or not. (and I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about her feelings for you. Noone involved with folks from Vietnam like you, me and many other VJ folks can ever tell for sure the other parties are in the game for real or not. Only time will prove who's right and who's living in fallacies.)

You said "in the game for real or not"?? So, how many children do you want her to make for you to prove that she is not "in the game"?? We are not the chickens.

Do you know that how stressful to be at home, within 4 walls, with a baby all time? Try it and you will know.

Thank you, Jerome. At least there is one person who pay attention to remind his friends about our loneliness on a new country.

The reasons why i didn't let her go visit them because they have no manners, and for the fact that they'll be a bad influence for her. I am sure none of you would allow your fiancee to be any near those kind of people. If her relatives were the opposite, sure i would be more than happy to take her. Jerome, from your perspective view, i understand exactly what you're saying bro, but it depends on the situation.

Calilove, I'm sorry to ask this question: "how old are you and how old is your fiance?" You should not stop her to come to her relatives, that made your fiancee upset and wanted to do something against your command.

I feel that you treat your fiance such as a kid in your house, or more exactly like a slave. She wants to visit her relatives, whom she never see for years. She wants to visit so many places to discover US. You didn't bring her to any place and didn't get married yet? Over one month is enough time for your to get a marriage license.

I think that you should ask idea of a fiance coming to the US, not your men from your side. I knew some cases, fiancees were not happy when they had arrived the US.

You should update your address with USCIS. They saw that your address and the address of neighbors on affidavit are different, I guessed.

Mine is very fast, 10yrs GC arrived some days before my old one is expired.

Hello everyone. Thank you all for your feedback.

You ought to give the detail (where and with whom, especially if family) of what you did during time in VN (2/14-3/3), (8/2-9/5), (10/26-11/9).

I will add more detail for this.

How often was the uncle doing the translating? He was only translating for a week or so.

You ought to call Ngoc's initial wedding dress by its name, ao dai. ....Does this really matter what I call it?

Give detail about the things that you discuss rather than covering it all in a blanket statement (She is always there for me....). Have you discussed what she will do when she arrives in the US (work, homemaker, school)? Does she have ideas about decorating the house? Talk about discussing "husband & wife" types of things. .......Thanks, I will add more and talk about that

Does your son interact with Ngoc? Webchat? E-mail? If so, tell about that.......OK

Have you also created a list of Ngoc's family in the US? Are there many more living in close proximity to where you live? Have you met them? This can cut both ways, but it will be a part of the interview so better to have it all prepared. ....She has only 1 aunt and 1 uncle in the USA. She has cousins from the aunt and uncle, but last year when she had her interview, the CO wasn't interested in cousins.

In your timeline you really need to address why your relationship progressed so quickly, and why you acted so quickly at each stage, because a fast track relationship like that is not customary in VN. If you can't convince the CO that there is a valid reason for the time warp, your CR1 is likely to be denied as well........The relationship progressed quickly because we met, fell in love, and want to be together forever.We are not youngsters......she is in her late 30's, and I am in my late 40's. It is very difficult being apart from each other, the only thing that matters is us being together. If she is unable to come to America, I am willing to move to Vietnam, as long as we can be together.

It might be better if you just didn't talk about the sleeping arrangements at all.........I thought it was always said to tell the truth, and about the sleeping arrangements.....when the lawyer sent in the I-130, he also sent in an affidated. Some of my timeline says the same things the lawyer sent in, so I'm worried if I change what I say, they already have the information when the I-130 was sent in.

The relationship has already been given sham mark, which probably follows you forever.

Relationship with the uncle ---> money and/or services are being transacted........I was at his home in my capacity as a home improvement contractor, meeting informally about doing a small repair in his house. After looking over the situation we sat down for lunch. .....We only talked about doing a small repair......no money exchanged hands...thus meeting informally

Please be careful on what you said an old couple for reason of quick time in engagement. If you are old but this is the first marriage, it is ok. However, if it is the second marriage for both of you, it is not ok according to Vietnamese tradition. An engagement looks odd for an old couple in Vietnam.

If you are American man, your fiance may have to face an interview in English. She should learn English as much as possible. This is the most important factor in your visa application to decide your success.

It meant "an engagement ceremony looks odd for an old couple in Vietnam".

So sorry

Hello everyone. Thank you all for your feedback.

You ought to give the detail (where and with whom, especially if family) of what you did during time in VN (2/14-3/3), (8/2-9/5), (10/26-11/9).

I will add more detail for this.

How often was the uncle doing the translating? He was only translating for a week or so.

You ought to call Ngoc's initial wedding dress by its name, ao dai. ....Does this really matter what I call it?

Give detail about the things that you discuss rather than covering it all in a blanket statement (She is always there for me....). Have you discussed what she will do when she arrives in the US (work, homemaker, school)? Does she have ideas about decorating the house? Talk about discussing "husband & wife" types of things. .......Thanks, I will add more and talk about that

Does your son interact with Ngoc? Webchat? E-mail? If so, tell about that.......OK

Have you also created a list of Ngoc's family in the US? Are there many more living in close proximity to where you live? Have you met them? This can cut both ways, but it will be a part of the interview so better to have it all prepared. ....She has only 1 aunt and 1 uncle in the USA. She has cousins from the aunt and uncle, but last year when she had her interview, the CO wasn't interested in cousins.

In your timeline you really need to address why your relationship progressed so quickly, and why you acted so quickly at each stage, because a fast track relationship like that is not customary in VN. If you can't convince the CO that there is a valid reason for the time warp, your CR1 is likely to be denied as well........The relationship progressed quickly because we met, fell in love, and want to be together forever.We are not youngsters......she is in her late 30's, and I am in my late 40's. It is very difficult being apart from each other, the only thing that matters is us being together. If she is unable to come to America, I am willing to move to Vietnam, as long as we can be together.

It might be better if you just didn't talk about the sleeping arrangements at all.........I thought it was always said to tell the truth, and about the sleeping arrangements.....when the lawyer sent in the I-130, he also sent in an affidated. Some of my timeline says the same things the lawyer sent in, so I'm worried if I change what I say, they already have the information when the I-130 was sent in.

The relationship has already been given sham mark, which probably follows you forever.

Relationship with the uncle ---> money and/or services are being transacted........I was at his home in my capacity as a home improvement contractor, meeting informally about doing a small repair in his house. After looking over the situation we sat down for lunch. .....We only talked about doing a small repair......no money exchanged hands...thus meeting informally

Please be careful on what you said an old couple for reason of quick time in engagement. If you are old but this is the first marriage, it is ok. However, if it is the second marriage for both of you, it is not ok according to Vietnamese tradition. An engagement looks odd for an old couple in Vietnam.

If you are American man, your fiance may have to face an interview in English. She should learn English as much as possible. This is the most important factor in your visa application to decide your success.

OP, only one month from engagement to marriage? If I were you, I would provide lots of "extra" evidence BEFORE the interview (in your submitted paperwork with the USCIS).

I agree with DauQue, you should submit evidence, and the most important evidence is the one before marriage.

Huong, I am in Florida now, however I will come back to WA on the next year (Mar 2010). If your case is still pending after you turned in your timeline and evidence, you should contact a lawyer, senator and make a baby to make sure for her to come to USA.

Thanks chi Hien. I already contacted my U.S Rep. I guess all else fail, LAWYER and then if that doesn't work then I guess we have to have a baby together. I really don't want my child to be born in Vietnam though.

Heu Huong

John ne Anh map say right Do not chaghe the your timeline anhd copy the old on and they ask second one thay comparetive remember do same ok

john

Yeah, I'm not changing things but to add on to them. The only problem is that it's already too long and now if I add more things on there then it's gonna be even longer.

Umm, I think that you should make clear the period before marriage, explanation of your married motivation as I pointed out, the other parts it may be listed

"..as submited timeline on interview - (date)".

How do you think??

Huong, I am in Florida now, however I will come back to WA on the next year (Mar 2010). If your case is still pending after you turned in your timeline and evidence, you should contact a lawyer, senator and make a baby to make sure for her to come to USA.

But what is the advantage of going early? Will it result in to making things fast?

It helps when I have to travel to another state on the appointment date.

I totally agree what HIEN post where your case have a RED FLAG on ... you can not be marry before propose??????

He should not propose before meeting in real life (meeting in person) or first date.

We were so sad to even talk about the questions but this morning my wife told me about it. He asks about thirty three questions and the translator wasn't much help. The officer was speaking in vietnamese and this is my wife's first time hearing a foreigner speaking her language. The translator was looking at the computer as the officer ask questions and she talks quietly "dung = correct" but I don't know why they give her bluesheet. The questions where hard. Here it is, it's not in order:

7. When did you and your husband meet at the first time?

My wife explain of how we saw each other through webcam and talking, etc... for more than 1 year... but he said when did you meet in real life? The answer was Aug, 29th and they said only 11 days and you got married? I guess this is one of it.

8. When did he propose to you? who? Where? How?

she got it right which is May 2008, I proposed to her, on the phone.

10. How did you guys know each other?

Her Cousin who work for my dad for almost 10 years as a caregiver introduce us after knowing me that long.

THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS I REMEMBER FOR NOW. WILL POST MORE IF I REMEMBER.

BLUE BLUE BLUE BLUE ISN'T MY FAVORITE COLOR ANYMORE.

Huong, I found out the main points made them feel skeptical in your case. I made it bold as above.

I knew many cases got the same problem as yours. That's why you got the requirement to provide more evidence.

1.Your time of meeting in person is very short before both of you decided to get married.

2.You proposed before you met her in person, the second point for red flag.

3.You knew each other by introduction of relatives -> red flag.

You should think how to explain these points, your very long timeline (13 pages) may make your case worse if you have no more evidence before marriage or no explanation about that short time.

You should not turn in the timeline and other documents too soon, you should check and think carefully about what you wrote.

What they required you on the first time?