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So petty. Want your trophy now?

I'll make sure it has the shape of the gas line a nutcase that got Bo Periello's address from a Tea Party website cut at his house.

Not real without someone doing the typing? Pretty lazy.

The information is there for anyone willing to seek information and evaluate whether or not the information being fed to them by the website is accurate or partisan. It seems quite a bit immature and reckless to allow others to establish what constitutes *proof* these days. Maybe that's why there are so many intolerant points of view on most bipolar issues these days. Top it off with a side of lazy, and its no surprise obesity rates in this country are where they are.

guys, seriously... its beyond silly.

Back to my ever-month hiatus from this place

Danno, God bless.

Yeah on that whole GW debate... there are some things that science and evidence will never go far enough in convincing those that are beyond reason.

Take care you all. Its Saturday and time really flies!

LOL... time away from this area of VJ has meant so much more time doing good things with family and the Mrs. I urge all of you already with your SOs to drop this place FAST or keep the time here to a minimum.

Back to the Mrs. Debates on the internet are really for idiots.

I did ask for my profile to be deleted but nothing happened.

Anyway, be good to the newbies

Hi Slim, what's up?

I guess this is one of a couple of different possible games-

1. initiate the newbie (fine, and no, I'm not interested)

2. see who can get the last comment, contrary to having solicited information posted, *if reading were actually executed*

or both.

Where do I send the trophy to the winners?

In so many months of absence from this site, nothing has changed.

Wow! The arrogance on display here is truly outstanding, but oh, so predictable. Your jaundiced, partisan worldview, where anyone disagreeing with you has to be deriving their opinions from right-wing soundbytes, is getting old and tired, not to mention hopelessly off-target. When will you get your head out of your butt and realise that the "healthcare" sham has got absolutely nothing to do with the GOP?

Presented with a once-in-a-generation opportunity to effect real, tangible change, this administration squandered its opening, when the GOP did not have enough votes to mount a filibuster in the Senate. Instead, the sitting Democrats, along with the unions and other vested interests, fairly climbed over each other to grab whatever they could from the administration in the way of opt-outs, pay-offs and sweetheart deals in return for votes. Fearing that the legislation would not get through Congress and the Senate, this administration allowed it to became so watered down that its main selling point these days is that you can't be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition. The price controls got lost in the mix and the insurance companies are laughing all the way to the bank, because now you have to pay them, or get a fine.

What this country deserved, and what this administration singularly failed to deliver, despite being handed the tools to do so by a hopeless GOP campaign in 2008, was a single-payer system that removed the insurance companies from the primary level of coverage. Insurance companies are, by the role they play, an inefficiency in the system. Their primary function is to make money for their shareholders. This money is lost from the system, gone for good. With the figures being quoted elsewhere in this thread, that's a 20% drain. And this administration just acted as a facilitator.

I could go on, but I've said all this and more before, on numerous occasions.

So keep your snide remarks to yourself next time and don't put words in people's mouths. Look outside of your black and white, left and right, North and South world and understand that prejudging people just makes you look like a fool.

Right on! So arrogant that language, that you fail to notice conditional speech, AND the particularity of being given the benefit of doubt. I guess your rant obscured that.

:secret:You may want to keep your partisan 'analysis' (opinion, just so you don't confuse it again as fact) outside the debate. Notice how I am neither applauding nor condemning the Health Care Legislation, but your consistent pedantic rants against most anything Obama do say quite a lot about where your preferences lie. Am I mistaken?

That's a bunch of sheer BS! I travel to Europe min once to twice a year...Germany, Holland, and sometimes Denmark not including eastern Europe, and what you just posted is pure BS. I don't know where you get your info from, but wherever it is you might want to start looking elsewhere.

No I think she's spot-on in her analysis. I guess you find what you want to find depending on what you seek and how you view the world. Most Europeans are simply beyond the politics of being retarded.

There is no honor in insanity.

I would have gone to the UN cafeteria and gone back to the assembly with a real big- no... a bunch... of pork sandwiches.

We never have to be past curry, Marilyn. I am seriously considering trying out that curry gravy.

So in relation to the topic... the idea that Europe is tiring of its immigrants is frankly too polarized to feeding the anti-immigrant perspective that is ironically prevalent among some users of this family immigration site. Through diet (food) and other aspects of culture, European society has been enriched to make most of the continent a plural entity, more so beyond the historical plurality gained from the evolution of local languages and tribal settlement. All we are seeing is a further enrichment of modern human society. Nothing wrong with that- while dealing with negative aspects of such transitions (racism, xenophobia, crime, etc) as each case arises.

I forgot to add, that this enrichment is and has been viewed as exactly that- enriching. The more extremist, bigoted perspectives will always find a way to confuse that with an immigrant takeover of local governance.

Anyone with any idea of how academic politics work knows that although merit is the key point to reaching named positions and top-professor appointments, it is not the only one. I understand the issue why Kennedy opposed Ayers' appointment based on these obviously painful personal reasons. Ayers may be an EXCELLENT professor, with an EXCELLENT academically meritorious track record, having made many a contributions to the development of educational philosophy since his days playing rich kid by day, domestic terrorist by night... but these days one needs to make amends with one's past in order to receive the laurels available to one's path.

Interestingly, there is that Harvard prof that just got awarded by her university even after having said clearly bigoted things.

The rest is the usual bitterness towards the President, done in unsurprising fashion.

So in relation to the topic... the idea that Europe is tiring of its immigrants is frankly too polarized to feeding the anti-immigrant perspective that is ironically prevalent among some users of this family immigration site. Through diet (food) and other aspects of culture, European society has been enriched to make most of the continent a plural entity, more so beyond the historical plurality gained from the evolution of local languages and tribal settlement. All we are seeing is a further enrichment of modern human society. Nothing wrong with that- while dealing with negative aspects of such transitions (racism, xenophobia, crime, etc) as each case arises.

Nothing American in Obamaland, of course. Socialists!

That would make it...

EUROPEAN!!

sweet! and i did not know that about sodium benzoate. i'll keep it in mind.

farc can indeed go eat lead.

Indeed. Here in Chicago we also do not have coconut groves (sigh)... I'd think about taking up longboarding on Lake Michigan if at least I got to see coconut trees on shore. But I have found supermarkets from all kinds of ethnic backgrounds, from Devon Ave (Indo-Pak-Jewish) to Pilsen (Mexican), Bridgeport (Irish), Mitsuwa in Arlington Heights (Japanese), etc, that carry all kinds of great foodstuffs. And here in Obamaland we have farmer's markets on a weekly basis where you can find all kinds of European and Asian produce grown locally that makes for really good recipes.

Some markets may even carry peeled coconut with water inside... I can guarantee you that will not have any weird preservatives.

What does it do to you?

now, now. even terrorists have feelings.

[Tangent]Just the other day, their top military leader got himself bombed to hell where he belongs. I don't particularly support the hard-line stance, but what is worse than right wing neocons in South America are anyone willing to terrorize their own people to get power they are not entitled to. In the history of Latin America, both of these have coincided much more than for the opposite political ideology.[/Tangent]

To bring that tangent to the topic at hand, it is of note to remind ourselves that many Nazis that were not given refuge in the USA for various reasons ended up in positions of power in South America.

i like curried mutton. There's a nice shop in Liverpool, around the corner from my bus stop, open late. It's verra nice.

OMG - I've dipped into the food sub-topic. EEK !!!

Heracles - Seriously - is easier for MENA ppl to 'immigrate' into Europe than it is to 'immigrate' into Australia. Not so much paperwork required to come into the border, as compared to Australia.

The 'mileage' is less, as well as the 'cost of travel' into Europe, when compared to Australia.

Can we please focus on Europe? ya?

So you see... European cuisine is being incredibly enriched by these new additions to its already well-established traditions. Most people I know of there embrace such 'augments.'

true true! it's full of electrolytes, and great for kids who have been sick with tummy bugs, etc that's caused them to lose fluids and electrolytes. like an all natural gatorade. but i live in cold, rainy oregon, where i can't have a coconut grove of my own, so i have to buy it in a carton from the store. though a kid walking around with a straw stuck in a coconut, like it's a big round juice box makes for a funny picture.

Oh... coconut groves... so many surfing memories to go from the waves, to the beach, to the groves...

Reminds me of a buddy from Spain (Euskadi- and yes... I got to surf the legendary left at Mundaka!) that said the whole idea of being able to get FRESH coconut right after a wave session was just too much to handle.

In lieu of said grove... do you have a Trader Joes close to you? You may find coconuts there, or extracted water. Just check to see there's no sodium benzoate in the ingredients, since that's the liquid equivalent of MSG in junk food.

i bet FARC eats pork.

F*cking FARC. What they can eat is LEAD.

terrorist food! not pork.

Yeah yeahhhh... trying to be sneaky I know!

Coconut-curried suckling pork (to be more European)... oh wait...

That's what I mean. I'm friends with two Irish people, one of them is gay and the other is engaged at 21 years old, and both of them hide this because of religious families. I'm not trying to generalise an entire country here, but as I said the Irish are known for having a strong Catholic background.

Yup...

Besides... wth is wrong with people obsessed with how many gays there are in any determinate location?

Hmmm... so coconut-curried turkey... there's an idea to help AJ have some Thanksgiving turkey.

That is coconut water, noob

With a little bit of brandy... mmmmmm...

pwned by a robot, again.

Let not the coconut hit yer head there!

And it is also delicious to notice Latin American cuisine making inroads in Spain and beyond.