Alhamdulillah

Hey everybody, hope you are well!! I wanted to know some information. Somebody told me that muslims do not have pictures of their children on the walls in their home and are not allowed to have angels (like figureines) in the home. Is this correct and if so is there anywhere that I can read this information? I have tried to find it but maybe I am not looking in the correct place.

Extremely religious Muslims do not have photos at all in their homes....demons live in them they claim. Any statues are forbidden in your home...because people back in the days would worship statues...hope that makes sense.

Correction, religious muslims do not have pictures or statues on display in their homes for religious reasons..... extremely supersticious muslims may believe it's because demons live in them

Well i was married at the age of 21, when I went back home to visit her almost everynight I drank mostly beers though. And when it comes to my wife she doesnt drink nor smoke, but if she does want to drink she usually asks if she can have a mixed drink. Of course I say yeah...

I dont know us Albanians in Kosova are some weird Muslims, well i'm speaking for myself and alot of people that i know.

Shaykh al-Albani was one of the greatest scholars of our time. I also know a some practicing Albanian muslimaat in the US mashallah.

Neither me nor my husband drink or sit with those who are drinking.... we are both practicing muslims walhamdulillah.

I'm quite amazed at the number of muslims who take such a major sin so lightly but to each their own.

I've been drinking a lot of water lately and tonight I found out that there's an all female gym here and it's only like $20/mo so I'm gonna be checking that out inshallah! They have a pool and everything and no men allowed on the property at all.... if one is there for something they put up signs and warn you.

Is it a Curves or something else? That sounds awesome. that also means you can wear something smaller in the pool... like capri leggings and a tank top or whatever to still cover the necessary parts. Also, if you wear a Tshirt or something it will create "drag" and work like a drag suit and make it harder to go through the water-- thus more exercise.

No, it's called PureFitness for Women. They have a rule that you have to wear spandex or lycra in the pool so I'm looking for something like some capris and a baggy top made from that material but I don't know how much luck I'll have with the top.

They have free babysitting and different types of classes like water aerobics and bellydancing (which I'm really excited about )

My friend is gonna take me with her as a guest to try it out inshallah and then I'm going to try to negotiate with them about the down payment because she said it's like $200 down and $20 a month and I found a coupon online to either get a free month or $100 off the downpayment but I can't afford $100 down right now either so I'm going to see if they'll waive it completely if I give them my sad story lol

If not, could you maybe talk them into installments? Like $10/month over 10 months? Sometimes people will go for that. Are you going for a baggy long-sleeve shirt or a baggy T-shirt? Either way I'd try the men's section if you want a constant supply... ls can be harder to come by at this time of year though. LOL I didn't picture you as the bellydancing kind! I had thought salafi with a dancing is haraam slant (the most conservative Muslimah board I belong to is totally private and more or less salafi, great girls!). Now I have a new picture in my mind!

LOL well no one's perfect LOL we all have our vices huh? Dancing itself isn't haraam.

That's a good idea about the payment plan.... I'll deffinately ask them about that if they turn down my offer of letting them waive it completely for me lol

I was just thinking a baggy lycra or spandex t-shirt.... I thought maybe if I bought it several sizes too big it wouldn't be so tight and then some loose fitting lycra or spandex capris since I want to be able to swim in the pool.

You know what I love about America? I love that if a woman choses to be conservative, we know she does it because she wants to. No one is making her be that way. You can't say that about most middle eastern countries. Many women are conservative there only because the law or their families force them to. If its not in your heart, it doesn't really count.

What's great about America is you can spend years teaching your children to be modest and righteous and all they have to do is walk at the door and into their school to unlearn everything you've taught them because no one holds the other ppl around them accountable for their immodesty like they do in conservative muslim countries.

ganja, next time can we just get the cliff notes version?

I enjoyed the read.

May we all be rightly guided.

Ameen.

You got to love a country whose president uses young, beautiful, virgin women to guard him and one has even died saving his life. Here is a link with a pic of some of his guards. If Charles could be so kind and post the pic I would appreciate it.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...=image&cd=1

I'm not sure I follow.... are you saying that women in Libya shouldn't have the same right to have the same job in secret service as a man or is it that you think they should be deflowerd before they'd be able to do the job effectively?

Are there no women in the secret service in America?

I'm saying I find it highly suspect that he has this many beautiful female guards around him all the time because he wants "equality". The fact they all wear make-up, do their hair and nails. These are not characteristics an Islamic nation would want to showcase to the world, at least in my opinion.

Perhaps he's trying to counter the negative image the world has cast on him by showing that women in his country are free to act unislamicly if they so choose

Nonetheless, the majority of women in Libya do not look or act like that while the majority here do so Libya still wins in that regard.

You got to love a country whose president uses young, beautiful, virgin women to guard him and one has even died saving his life. Here is a link with a pic of some of his guards. If Charles could be so kind and post the pic I would appreciate it.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/...=image&cd=1

I'm not sure I follow.... are you saying that women in Libya shouldn't have the same right to have the same job in secret service as a man or is it that you think they should be deflowerd before they'd be able to do the job effectively?

Are there no women in the secret service in America?

I would like to make it clear that, contrary to the common perception, there is no allowance in Islam for a Muslim man to marry more than one woman just because he wants to. The idea that he can rises from pre-existing cultural norms, not from the practice of the Prophet nor the Quran.

What kills me about this and so many other interpretations that have no true support in the text is that they are often taken from ONE verse, and other verses either tempering it or discouraging it are ignored. This is the case with polygyny in Islam. The verse allowing it also limited it, and was revealed at a time when battles left many widows and unaffiliated females that needed protection. It was a form of social welfare for the time. However, Allah strongly and repeatedly warns against the kinds of abuses that have become associated with it. He warns of hellfire for those who exceed His limits. It is an irony that Muslims who consider themselves to be in step with tradition engage so readily in a practice that Allah has, in fact, cautioned them against.

One must always be aware that Muslims are not representative of the Message of the Quran. Sadly, most don't know what the text means, nor do they know the history that contextualizes the words and gives them denotation. I advise caution with websites; unfortunately, many of them are serving a cultural paradigm or a sect rather than the Straight Path. There is soooo much that is believed and defended that cannot be supported by the Quran or Sunnah alone. How much of the Truth we have been able to discern from culture, tradition, and hubris will be our test on the Day of Judgment.

You have your opinions and others have theirs

The thing is, everyone is free to have their own opinions, but not free to have their own facts. What I said is fact, not opinion.

No, what you stated is your opinion of the facts, not just the facts.

It's your opinion that men have to have certain reasons for marrying more than one wife while the Islamic evidence does not back that opinion up. 'Aisha had a fiance' before the prophet but was married to the prophet instead.... she wasn't in dire need of a husband because of war, nor was she a widow.

I do agree that there are conditions that Allah set that a man must follow when marrying more than one wife.... of course, they are no different than the conditions he must follow when marrying the first one to be honest.

Scholars do not make rulings on polygyny based on one verse in the Quran, this is also your opinion and not a fact. They also take into account ahadith showing the Sunnah of the prophet sal allahu alayhi wa salaam and his companions and how they practiced it. This is why I like to read what actual scholars have to say about these matters and not just read it off message boards on the internet

On July 24, the government allowed six foreign health workers, detained since 1999 and accused of intentionally infecting 426 children with HIV in 1999, to depart the country.

They should have been put to death or at the very least infected with AIDS themselves and allowed to die in the same manner as those children they infected with the virus!

According to the U.S. Department of State’s annual human rights report for 2004, Libya’s authoritarian regime continued to have a poor record in the area of human rights.

I don't trust the US Dept of State's opinon on human rights.... if women aren't free to ####### it up in the streets then they don't consider them free. Freedom by American standards is a joke.

Actually, in my religion (Catholic) you don't abandon your spouse or your children, as divorce is not permitted. You're with your spouse until you die.

What if your husband is abusive? My ex is Catholic and used to beat me almost daily.... ten years seems like a lifetime.... I'd probably have killed myself if I wouldn't have been allowed to divorce him..... actually, I probably would have killed myself if I didn't have my kids to think about. Thank God I found the stregnth to get myself and my children away from him and found a good husband who would never treat me like that.

THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC CONDEMNS A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL TO STONING

By Safa Haeri Iran Press Service

I plan on moving to Libya, not Iran..... why don't you post something about Libya?

I don't need a visa.... I am a citizen.

I am not free to leave..... since you don't know me or my situation you are welcome to keep your opinons to yourself.

I don't know your situation, but unless you are imprisoned, you are free to leave. Furthermore, you can renounce your US citizenship at any time. It can be done.

If you'd like to do it, it can be done. Good luck!

Some people are parents here with shared custody. Free to leave is a loose term.

If the sentiment is strong enough, as it appears to be, some people will renounce their custody to their children and leave their country of birth - it has happened.

Yet another wonderful part of American culture? The abdonment of children?

You are in for a surprise, VP. I worked with family law jurists in the Muslim world for 22 years. It's no bed of roses there either.

It'll be better than here.... probably not perfect but better than here nonetheless. I can't wait to move to Libya.... or Saudia if that becomes a possibility.

I don't need a visa.... I am a citizen.

I am not free to leave..... since you don't know me or my situation you are welcome to keep your opinons to yourself.

I don't know your situation, but unless you are imprisoned, you are free to leave. Furthermore, you can renounce your US citizenship at any time. It can be done.

If you'd like to do it, you can make it happen. Good luck!

I can assure you that as soon as I'm "free to leave" this place will be a distant memory.

I've been drinking a lot of water lately and tonight I found out that there's an all female gym here and it's only like $20/mo so I'm gonna be checking that out inshallah! They have a pool and everything and no men allowed on the property at all.... if one is there for something they put up signs and warn you.

Is it a Curves or something else? That sounds awesome. that also means you can wear something smaller in the pool... like capri leggings and a tank top or whatever to still cover the necessary parts. Also, if you wear a Tshirt or something it will create "drag" and work like a drag suit and make it harder to go through the water-- thus more exercise.

No, it's called PureFitness for Women. They have a rule that you have to wear spandex or lycra in the pool so I'm looking for something like some capris and a baggy top made from that material but I don't know how much luck I'll have with the top.

They have free babysitting and different types of classes like water aerobics and bellydancing (which I'm really excited about )

My friend is gonna take me with her as a guest to try it out inshallah and then I'm going to try to negotiate with them about the down payment because she said it's like $200 down and $20 a month and I found a coupon online to either get a free month or $100 off the downpayment but I can't afford $100 down right now either so I'm going to see if they'll waive it completely if I give them my sad story lol

I don't need a visa.... I am a citizen.

I am not free to leave..... since you don't know me or my situation you are welcome to keep your opinons to yourself.

I usually do, but your statements of how awful America is I had to say something, I am the first one to point out our countries faults, but to say that the Middle East is so much better is really a little far fetched. You just seem so unhappy with the country, with all the freedoms we have, but with freedom comes things we see we don't always agree on, but that is the beauty of America at least we can say what we feel without worrying about being arrested, oh well, at least we used to. If America is such a awful country why do they all want to come here?

IMO, muslim countries ARE much better because they have values that the US doesn't. I don't agree with all the fake "freedoms" in America.

You don't really think everyone wants to come to the US because it's such a great, safe place to raise their children? Or because there are so many spiritual advantages to living here? The only reason most ppl come to this country is to make money and go back home

Why would that start a fight?

Because it is regarding Islam.

We are going to have to agree to disagree about affairs in the west because clearly neither one of us are going to change our POV!

I have no problems with agreeing to disagree... what I have issue with is the idea that it's OK to talk trash about Islam or its laws are on here all the time and muslims on the board who are repeatedly offended by these remarks are always expected to suck it up and get over it.

It's more bothersome that so many of the ones making these comments are married to muslims but to each their own.

I would like to make it clear that, contrary to the common perception, there is no allowance in Islam for a Muslim man to marry more than one woman just because he wants to. The idea that he can rises from pre-existing cultural norms, not from the practice of the Prophet nor the Quran.

What kills me about this and so many other interpretations that have no true support in the text is that they are often taken from ONE verse, and other verses either tempering it or discouraging it are ignored. This is the case with polygyny in Islam. The verse allowing it also limited it, and was revealed at a time when battles left many widows and unaffiliated females that needed protection. It was a form of social welfare for the time. However, Allah strongly and repeatedly warns against the kinds of abuses that have become associated with it. He warns of hellfire for those who exceed His limits. It is an irony that Muslims who consider themselves to be in step with tradition engage so readily in a practice that Allah has, in fact, cautioned them against.

One must always be aware that Muslims are not representative of the Message of the Quran. Sadly, most don't know what the text means, nor do they know the history that contextualizes the words and gives them denotation. I advise caution with websites; unfortunately, many of them are serving a cultural paradigm or a sect rather than the Straight Path. There is soooo much that is believed and defended that cannot be supported by the Quran or Sunnah alone. How much of the Truth we have been able to discern from culture, tradition, and hubris will be our test on the Day of Judgment.

You have your opinions and others have theirs

Every country has corruption but even the most corrupted muslim country in the world is better a thousand times than the US.... it's not accurate or fair at all to say that muslim countries are just as bad as the US because, if that was true, they would also have an epidemic of unwed teenage mothers like we have here.... or strung out druggies on street corners.... or 16,000+ deaths each year due to drunk driving. Disgusting....

Than if you feel so much hate towards America, why bother getting a visa? I am just don't have words, I guess you agree with stoning as a way of dealing with sin. If you have an unwed mother in some of these countries you won't hear about it, or you see her being stoned to death. If you hate America you are free to leave at any time, and go to a place you will be happier.

I don't need a visa.... I am a citizen.

I am not free to leave..... since you don't know me or my situation you are welcome to keep your opinons to yourself.

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raja'un

I'm doing some Islamic trivia and need some help. Who was the last Sahaba to die? If anyone could help on that answer I would appreciate it.

sorry i dont' even know what one of those are???

Sahaba is a companion of the prophet (peace be upon him). I believe I found the answer so its okay.

Well, you gonna share with the rest of us or leave us hanging??? lol

Ya I

I wonder why you'd marry someone who follows a religion you hate? Oh well.... Que Sera, Sera!!

I wanted to correct that too! There's so many times I want to correct typos/misspellings that I see on here (cuz I'm ####### abt that stuff when it happens repeatedly).

Good question..........

Does that help answer the question. Do you muslimias seriously believe I hate Islam because I question it? And why doesn't anyone answer those questions for me about the several wives & beating wives acceptance? Everytime I bring it up it becomes a moot point on here. What I don't understand is how someone who isn't raised that way comes to accept those beliefs?

You don't understand about men being allowed more than one wife because you live in america and have been told your whole life that it's bad and wrong when it's not. If you're christian you should know that prophets and other important ppl in the bible had multiple wives so I don't see what the big issue is or why American women make such a huge deal about it. I understand we're jealous.... I am too but it's taken to whole new levels with American women threatening divorce and other such punishments if a man does something Allah has allowed him to do. I'd much rather my husband have another wife than to have an affair but in America affairs are widely accepted while having more than one wife is illegal.... it's a crappy culture that prefers men to have affairs instead of marrying the other woman.

i don't get what the above has to do with islam. none of the prophet's multiple marriages were ever out of lust, or to keep him from having an "affair". not that he didn't feel genuine love and affection towards the women he was married to, but the marriages were born out of those women's need to have a husband to help support them when there was a shortage of available men because of war, etc.

No, not all of his marriages, or the multiple marriages of the sahaba, were for that reason.

Nonetheless, I'm not saying that's the reason for a man to have more than one wife.... what I'm saying is that the culture that prefers the evil over the righteous shouldn't be used to judge the laws in Islam.

Speaking of corrupted muslim countries..... why do you suppose they are so corrupted today? Because of American influence..... they see our movies and TV shows and want to follow the American dream of being as trashy as you can possibly be n'autho billah!

But with all this, Islam is bad because it allows more than one wife! Pfft! Whatever.

I will agree totally that the US and the West in general have played a hand in the corruption of many Muslim countries, but they have been committing immoral acts long before there was a United States. who do you blame for that?

Shaytaan has been tempting ppl with evil since the first man but the US has played a major role recently as acting as his agent in spreading his corruption to all ends of the earth, far and wide. It didn't begin with the US even.... before the US other western-style socities played their own roles in creating the world we know today. IMHO, the US is merely the end result of all that corruption heaped one on top of the other for centuries.

However, in the end, no man can blame another for his sins.... Allah will hold us each responsible for our own sins.

Interesting that the Bible was brought up.

2 Cor. 11:3-4: 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may

somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and

preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

You know that is going to start a fight Nagi. I'm just sad I have to now and might miss it

Why would that start a fight?

I disagree that it's not culturally accepted.

If it were only a matter of how to adjust our laws then they wouldn't prosecute violators so harshly. A man can live with two women and not marry either one of them... or marry one and not the other but still live with both and it's perfectly OK here, legally. That's disgusting.

If it were culturally acceptable, then there would not be a negative stigma associated with it. How many people get divorced over affairs? it is a named legal reason to do so. WHat I hear you saying over and over is that we are ALL OK with this idea of affairs and that any American can have an affair on any other American and we all accept this as fine and good. Right? Then why is it called cheating? Why do marriages break up over it? Why isn't everyone down at the swinger's club? If that is your perception of American marriage, I wonder where you grew up! I'm from "sin city" and even the most amoral people realized it wasn't the majority culture no matter that they thought it should be.

Also, changing the entirety of the legal code is not an easy thing to do. you would have to change the very social nature of the country. The above is only accepted as deviant and marginal IF all parties are in agreement. You have people who do this, even Muslims, in the US.

I would venture to say that there are a LOT of swingers in this country LOL. Maybe a lot more than you'd like to think or believe.

All marriages do not break up when one of the spouses has an affair.... in fact there are many who will look the other way or forgive the cheater when they find out about it.

I find it strange that a man having two wives is looked down on because he sleeps with both women during the same time period (not at the same time) but it's OK, openly accepted and glorified in this country if he's had 20+ partners (and married none) before marrying his wife.

Every country has corruption but even the most corrupted muslim country in the world is better a thousand times than the US.... it's not accurate or fair at all to say that muslim countries are just as bad as the US because, if that was true, they would also have an epidemic of unwed teenage mothers like we have here.... or strung out druggies on street corners.... or 16,000+ deaths each year due to drunk driving. Disgusting....

If a man has an extra-marital affair with a woman for 20 years it's OK in the US.... no laws preventing it and even if there are some still on the books they'll never be enforced but IF a man takes responsibilty for the woman he wants to have a relationship with, other than his first wife, and marries her then he's looking at serious prison time. Why is it better in this corrupted society to make whores of women than wives???

It may be legal but it is not culturally acceptable. As to why polygamy is not allowed-- well one, it's culturally unacceptable to the point where it is not up for change at this point, and two it would likely involve a change to our legal codes ebcause we have difficulty at this point with that the way things are set up. Our default inheritence, benefits (who is covered under the husband's insurance? All of the wives and kids? insurance would not want that to happen), what if the first wife was the basis for insurance? etc are a one-spouse situation. i think that's why gay marriage is making more headway than polygamy, even though it's obvious polygamy is an older tradition. You'd probably have to restructure our society to re-position the male as central and dominant figure and then either make all the incomes of the wives independant and the one male to be the only commonality, or just remove the wives from wealth and make the male one commonality. I am sure there are other ways to do it, but for simple ease of legality that seems like the way to go. You couldn't really make peopleco-equal in the situation because then you would end up with situations where a wife had to pay allimony to a divorced wife, etc if that should happen... so it would involve basically, something like teh implementation of Sharia which is a closed system for this amongst other things-- which Muslims would find OK, but the majority of people here would object to having.

I disagree that it's not culturally accepted.

If it were only a matter of how to adjust our laws then they wouldn't prosecute violators so harshly. A man can live with two women and not marry either one of them... or marry one and not the other but still live with both and it's perfectly OK here, legally. That's disgusting.

Cute video. I didn't watch with the music on though.

Why is it okay for a man to sleep with another woman at all? Yet a woman does not have the same option legally or islamically? I stopped trying to figure that one out.

Well, legally in the US she has every "right" to sleep with as many men other than her husband that she pleases.... women's liberation at it's peak! See what good muslim women across the world have to look forward to when the US comes to free them from oppression and liberate them???

Why is it ok for men and women to sleep together if they're married? Because marriage makes it permissable in Islam and in Islam he's allowed to have up to four wives.

I agree no one is perfect.... everyone sins but it's American culture to do these disgusting things and it's accepted and in most cases legal. At least in true muslim countries it's not allowed and those who do it have to hide it. They can come to America and do it in the freaking streets with praise from the public audience!

It's from Islam to hide your sins and not expose what Allah has hidden for you.

Speaking of corrupted muslim countries..... why do you suppose they are so corrupted today? Because of American influence..... they see our movies and TV shows and want to follow the American dream of being as trashy as you can possibly be n'autho billah!

But with all this, Islam is bad because it allows more than one wife! Pfft! Whatever.

Sorry, "the west" did not invent extra-marital affairs, drinking, drugs, etc. They were doing that before our movies ever came out. It's even regulated in your Qu'ran, which means they knew about it.

It wasn't widespread like it is today.