martindart

this sucks. So going there will not really do anything then? When it gets sent back to the US, it says I will have a chance to rebut the decision. Has anyone every had that opportunity? Or do they just deny it.

I think I'm going to finish out the year here... then I'm going over for a while. I really don't have anything keeping me here... So I'm heading over and we will get married. We also want to try and have a baby since we are both getting up there in age. So... I guess I will not plan on leaving right away.

I went full circle with thse folks, returned my petition, rebbutted the CO findings, goop-up at the second interview, fought another 6 months and finally won. Took 3 years, I'd do it again if I had too. If you love her you will fight on, if you quit, You never really loved this person.

What will you say to yourself 1, 2, 3 years after that first failed interview.. Damn, I should have stuck with it!, What are you doing anyway? keep the fire burning, stay the course and keep living. In time, you'll say; I'm happy I stayed and fought because I WON'T give up and now she is home. =-) I did.

Best to you all.

Don

My now wife has a 2-year conditional green card. Does USCIS or any other US or Foreign agencies frown on her if she travels to her homeland (Vietnam) to visit Tet celebration once per year. Can traveling back home 2-3 times a year cause problem(s) (Which is not the case for us) When we go for the ten-year card. Her current greed card expires in November 2009. My wife said she heard some issues on SBTV network (blog questions) to an advice attorney whom appears and responds on a Vietnamese TV show.

Thanks!

Don

my wifes kids came to usa after she had been here for one year. everything was great before except little things like her working 16 hours a day and the girl from chinese chef insisting on living with us. but now her kids are here and i didnt know before hand that vietnamese kids sleep with there mom.i feel almost more alone than i ever did now and she agreed to only work 4 days a week from 10 till 4 but after one day it became 9 till 530 or 6 and six days a week. i work third shift and now i am watching the kids while she works, taking her to work soon as i am home and picking her up after she gets off and trying to get a decent nap so i can stay awake all night. but on weekends when i think we will have some my time it doesnt happen everyone is speaking vietnamese and if "uncle frank" isnt entertaining then im on my own . do all vietnamese kids sleep with her mom and husband sleep on floor or another bed?? I ve explained my feelings to her and she says she understands but theres still some days when i cant get a peck on the cheek

I just asked my wife about this and she said this is somewhat true due to the number of beds a family has in Vietnam. How old are the kids?

I feel for you but you must take a stand on this matter of sleeping. As far as all speaking Vietnamese around you... "Welcome to the family" =-)

hi kevin and tuyen

you said that you have been denied you first i-130 petition and you restarted with new one. right??

didnt ucsis send you notice to appeal their decision, it's a right given to you by immigration law

in my oppinion, starting a new petiton is like giving legitimity to their decision

i believe, it's better to work on your first petition. this is how your proove them that your marriage is

genuine

The CSC will take up to 2 years before they will even get around to reviewing our case. We have prepared evidence needed for a rebuttal to the CO's findings in for our first petition. There is nothing more we can do but wait for our NOID to arrive. You don't think working on the first petition and filing a second petition for the same woman gives legitimacy to a marriage? I don't want to wait another 2 years before Tuyen and I can be together.

Will I be denied again? Who knows. Will our case be dropped into the blackhole known as AR? Maybe. But at least we are trying to move our case forward. We made a choice to keep fighting and not wait.

Because the CO said in his notes that only eight people attended our (Dinh Hon) (Engagement ceremony) in Bien Hoa, and was another reason for them sending our petition back to the service center that approved it, as (they said) our petition was a sham relationship. Knowing this, I soon thereafter, started a campaign of sending to The office of USCIS Nebraska, to the director, the acting director, his secretary, the doorman, the maintenance staff, the custodial staff and anyone I could think of inside the that USCIS Office.

I sent Photo cards (a new and different photo cards showing many many people in the background at our Dinh Hon (about 90 people showed up)

I send these new and different photo cards via USPS Mail (website below) over the holidays with a nice note wishing them (USCIS Nebraska) well, with that particular holiday theme Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New years and on and on.

My text message on these photo cards (in nice, colorful fonts) included more information to rebut the Consular Findings. In large bold fonts on each of these 100 or so photo cards (I sent) included my petition/case number as I waiting for them to review my file.

I also ordered mailing stamps (check-out the .jpg) * I tried to upload the postage stamp photo but was unable to. The postage stamp is the same photo on our profile top left side of this reply* anyway, I pasted one stamp in each corner of every document I sent to NSC for their review also, in each corner of every envelope I ever sent to NSC front and back, I wanted my correspondences seen and stand out!

Once you open an account with the photo card web site it remembers many address and a simple one click does it all. You choose the holiday theme, write in your new text message, choose the font style, color and upload a new photo and USPS does the rest.

I will bet USCIS in Lincoln, Nebraska will always remember me! sending the photo cards to NSC kept me sane and busy as I waited for the results of their review, which they did reaffirmed my petition. I too wanted to stay and fight to overturn that CO false conclusion of my fiancee and I relationship and PROVE we are indeed, true and sincere. We have never been more happy and well worth the wait.

I began the initial filing of my petition for K-129 in October 2004 and Phuong finally touched US soil on June 1 2007.

Ahhh memories….

http://www.cardstore.com/asp/webstore/inde...;page=photocard

mine went through the NVC pretty fast, my hold up was at the HCM comsulate. congrats and good luck!

How did you know when it was recieved or sent from NVC and what does the NVC actually do?

Congrats

I'm surprised how guickly you got thru California USCIS. That's great. hopefully it's a trend!!

If you call NVC, they can tell you when they recieved it and maybe when they send it if it has been sent and is in their system. In any case, the NVC doesn't do anything except forward it to HCMC Consulate for those who have a K1 visa. However for other visas, it does the processing of the fees and other things. For complete info here's the state department link for NVC http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/ty...types_1309.html

Good luck in HCMC!!!

Peter and Thi

I-129F Sent : 2007-05-26

I-129F NOA1 : 2007-06-11

I-129F RFE(s) :

RFE Reply(s) :

I-129F NOA2 : 2007-10-26

Touched: 2007-11-02

NVC Recieved: 2007-11-16

Consulate recieved ??????

Packet 3 sent 2007-12-11

Packet 3 received 2007-12-24

Packet 3 returned 2007-12-28

Packet 4 sent 2008-1-14

Email Reply with Interview Date 2008-1-23

Interview Date 2008-2-27

Passed Interview 2008-02-27

Visa Pick Up Date 2008-3-05

Received Visa 2008-2-29 (called to pick up earlier)

POE 2008-3-05 Los Angeles

Wedding 2008-4-26

The NVC (National Visa Center) houses the largest FRAUD visa petition database for the USA. Having overturned the Consular Officers fact less position to have my K-129 petition returned under g221 (sham relationship) I have learned by exercising my right via (petition for discovery) rather than FOI (Freedom of information act) and through that process I was able to learn who does what. Now, back in 2005 things may have been different then today and my information is based on experience of my fight to have the Service Center whom approved my petition, reaffirm my petition, which was done and was sent back to NVC whom purged my alleged fraud association to my petition number and or by name. NVC who in turn forwarded my petition back to HCMC for a second interview, which she was blue, sheeted again for forgetting our engagement year. (That’s another story) She finally landed in June 2007. This is my story with what the NVC does.

Good Luck =-)

Yes, please do look under the Guides. I am very close to turning in our AOS papers, and the Guides have been very helpful. Also, make sure you download the instructions for Form I-485. Those instructions will tell you all the supplemental stuff you need to submit besides the Forms themselves. Don't forget to write a cover letter, though.

Listen,

Before you go to your AOS bio, they will take your wife’s fingerprints. If your wife’s fingerprints are too delicate for the scanner to read, said the FBI to us, they will ask you to come back and have them taken again. Before you go to the inital bio, go to the local police station for your area and ask them for a records check letter that will state something like, we have found no outstanding criminal proceedings or outstanding warrants for (wife new last name)

You will thank me later if you have to travel a long way to have the Bios taken. I wished I brought that letter to the first time she had here prints taken it would have saved me a lot of travel time and it costs about 15 bucks. for the letter

Bye =-)

mine went through the NVC pretty fast, my hold up was at the HCM comsulate. congrats and good luck!

How did you know when it was recieved or sent from NVC and what does the NVC actually do?

the NVC will send you a letter to let you knwo they got your papers and they will forward them to the consulate. im really not sure what the NVC does, there was no hold up there so i didnt need to learn too much about it.

Goggle NVC (National Visa Center) and read about them. NVC does set the day for your interview with HCMC Consulate. Now, like most of us K-129 you pay your fee, you provide all documents, original along with accepted copies and send to the USCIS Service Center for you area. At this point, you have received a letter from USCIS approving your petition. You think well, that is easy, I will now prepare for my love ones arrival. (Unless things have changed since 2005) you will wait about 5-7 months for your actual interview date with The Consulate in HCMC. Hoping no RFE (request for evidence/documents from NVC) or, The Consulate places your file on AR (Administrative Review) yes, before your interview day that NVC already told the Consulate what month day and *Year it will be (*of course, pending when you sent your application in)

Like all the K-129 people before you, we all thought, We paid a large K-129 fee, sent all the documents the application asked for then, soon thereafter received a approval letter from USCIS, you now feel “it’s a go!” Later to feel a big setback because someone has put a quick stop to the entire process and all the plans you have made.

I just want you, and other like you at this stage is to hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Do not feel over confident that all is fine. Start now in being proactive to defend your relationship at the drop of a hat because that is how fast the process comes to a halt. Be confident so you are ready to respond. Down the road, there will be less heartache being overly prepared trying to focus on what you need to do now... once you’ve heard some bad news you suddenly become frantic, disenchanted in the whole process and you don’t think clearly.

Examples:

Get a Signature petition and pass it around where you work. At the top say; We the undersigned, do believe that (your name) does have a valid and sincere relationship with (his/her name) and DO plan to marry within the required 45 days upon the arrival of (his/her name again). Now, if you work as a prison guard, and you have inmates sign your petition’ no one is going to believe these signatures are true. Get your neighbors to sign, your pastor at your church, mom and dad, sisters brothers. List their name and their titles. All reasonable (honest and sincere) people talk-up what they plan to do with once their better half arrive to anyone who will listen. Notarize that petition and have it on the ready, make copies and send the original. Contact the Secretary of State Office where you live and have a certified letter from them stating; you have been checked out and are free to marry according to our records. This document takes about 10-20 days to get and cost about $40.00 total.

You have your approval letter from USCIS and you are on cloud nine… NOW, it is time to read about the horror stories here on Visa Journey from people who’s been green sheeted, blue sheeted, RFE, AR, that the Consulate Staff has the power to do and exercise that power freely. You will thank me later should you become one of us placed on the island of misfit toys (my terminology) and begin to fight for your love one. I started in October 2004 for my love Vo and she arrived on June 1st 2007. That is my time guideline.

In closing...

I thought, Once my fiancée arrived, I’d no longer be writing on VJ, the truth be known I keep my eye on what is going on here, The changes from then to what it is happening today. I met a lot of good honest people here (during my time of need) those and others here at VJ provided support, a shoulder to cry on and a kick in the pants to not give up! During that period of waiting, waiting Holidays pasted again…. Deaths in the family and one time too much drink to post. Nevertheless, I did anyway. I now feel a need to give back here at VJ, I cannot type well but learned over time.

Therefore, I am sharing and will continue to give my opinion where they do most good. Rebuttals are welcome but at this stage…been there done that!

Take Care

Don Nicely (aka) martindart

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Does this mean the longest part of the wait is over unless we have any issues with the interview? Either way I was very happy to see this because I did not think it would happen for another 3 months.

This is the easy part. Get thru to NVC then on to HCMC where all the fun starts =-)

Hope all goes well, stay strong and prepare for anything.

good luck.

We're sorry that lately there's been a lot of blue slips from VJers.

However I think you need to understand that you're dealing with a bureaucracy. The HCMC Consulate is no different from the IRS or your local city department of zoning. If you don't follow their rules, they throw your paperwork back at you until you fix what is wrong. Then they look at it again starting from where they left off. They don't go thru your paperwork and tell you everything that's wrong. That's not their job. Their job is to return the paperwork at the first sign of a problem. It's a stupid practice but it's the way the US/State/local governments work. They don't work like a private business. If they were a private business operating like this then they'd be out of business years ago. If you haven't dealt with the any level of the government in the US then you would think HCMC is crazy, unfair and needs an overhall.

In HCMC Consulate, it's usually too late to at the interview to clarify issues that your original I-129f brought up. These issues could be simple things like forgetting to include the chat room where you met, not having the original email of introduction between you and your fiancee (which we didn't have btw) which you didn't explain or provide evidence for. They don't want to ask your fiancee or you about it at the interview, the procedure is to give a blue slip, then see if the evidence sunmitted in response to the blue slip is enough to satisfy the blue slip then look at your case from the point where the blue slip was given. If your case didn't include any other issues such as no credit slip for your plane trip, relative info to make sure everything is legit, etc and If your fiancee didn't say anything wrong at the interview, ie get dates wrong, or names, etc then you will get your pink slip. The more issues the Consulate has with your case the more likely it could get sent back to the US.

The reason for being so cold heared? They are dealing with a huge amount of cases because this is the number one K1 visa place in the world at least in 2004. (The number of K1 fiance (e) aplicaltions continues to rapidly increase, from 2,390 in 2000 to 7,840 in 2004 according to the 2004 Inspection Report on Hanoi and HCMC). If that rate of increase is constant that means they are dealing with somewhere around 15,000 cases now. If you had 100 cases a day to deal with, you'd pass the time consuming ones on (give blue slips and send back to the US) instead of taking the time to deal with them. Not right but it's human nature when overworked. It's your job to make it easy for them not hard, don't give them a reason to give you a blue slip.

I understand that this is your loved one and your future they're dealling with, not a permit to build a backyard fence so it is very emotional. Just remember, the HCMC Consulate only wants to make sure the K1 Visa it grants is a valid.

If you persist you will prevail. Dave_Thao are a good example of that.

We hope everyone presently with blues slips/return to the USCIS, etc get their cases resolved quickly and fairly.

Peter and Thi

I-129F Sent : 2007-05-26

I-129F NOA1 : 2007-06-11

I-129F RFE(s) :

RFE Reply(s) :

I-129F NOA2 : 2007-10-26

Touched: 2007-11-02

NVC Recieved: 2007-11-16

Consulate recieved ??????

Packet 3 sent 2007-12-11

Packet 3 received 2007-12-24

Packet 3 returned 2007-12-28

Packet 4 sent 2008-1-14

Email Reply with Interview Date 2008-1-23

Interview Date 2008-2-27

Passed Interview 2008-02-27

Visa Pick Up Date 2008-3-05

Received Visa 2008-2-29 (called to pick up earlier)

POE 2008-3-05 Los Angeles

Wedding 2008-4-26

If homeland security did, face-to-face interviews/background checks on petitioners as part of USCIS procedures fraudulent petitions would be stopped here. Anyone (even me) would have welcomed this process knowing what I’ve been through and the heartache of being blue sheeted, green sheeted, petitions sent back, winning that process, being blue sheeted again after the second interview because my fiancée forgot engagement date…(I’m mad now!!!) That was back in 2006 folks gone but not forgotten.

In USA we see engagement date as day of the purposed of marriage (will you marry me?) however in VN, it is the day engement ceremony (party) happens duh… who cares? The CO did… even having a reaffirmed petition and waiting just over two years waiting for a second interview (submission of a ton of proof) once again, we were stopped.

Once a petition is alleged to be a sham to evade immigration laws the CO, or consular staff goes on the defensive to support their finding are true. (In my case) The CO then sifts through our supporting evidence to twist, misrepresent the facts. (Example) My fiancée submitted some 50 + photos of our engagement ceremony in Bien Hoa, they carefully selected (and kept) photos showing only a few people at a table and concluded a small number of people attended our party However, as part of my evidence before Nebraska Service Center who reaffirmed my petition, I submitted the same set of uncensored photos showing dozens and dozens of attendees in the background.

On a different note: regularly here, on VJ, I am seeing a high number of Vietnam cases having the need for ME influence. (Forgive me ME) I too am a ME success story… I just do not understand why these cases are NOT standing on their own. Is it now part of their SOP to retain this good man to keep Consular Staff via the Visa Chief to conduct them selves within the law?

Hang in there Jeff.

So what are we to do from here? I already left a message with my Congressman who contacted the CO last week. It sounded like per his email that all we had to do was submit the documents as requested by the blue slip and we would have our pink slip. It did not however turn out that way though. I don't know what the next step will be. ME is in the US and won't be back in HCM until 7/10. She is going to try and meet with one of his co-workers tomorrow morning to see what they can do.

I am not putting much stock in our senators and congressmen. First off, they do not weild the power to supercede the CO's decision. At best, they might convince a CO to hold the case for further review as some sort of political favor. Secondly, I have never heard of a senator getting involved. So far, all mine have done is sent me political spam on my voicemail about unrelated political endeavors. And third, this chief CO seems like the kind of guy who does not like to be second guessed. I am worried that IF my senator DID call him, it might hurt more than help.

Also, we all (those of us being currently denied) got that first blue slip where we thought we would just need to give some more proof. To me, that 1st one seems to just buy them some time to write up the refusal.

What to do now? Its pretty nebulous. I want to hire ME but my fiance is not so sure that he can help at this point. The bottom line is we have provided the embassy with all the proof we have. What more a lawyer can do is unknown. Hard to swallow the idea of spending thousands of dollars on a lawyer, when we may simply have no ther option than to re-apply in the end.

As a K-129 petitioner who’s petition was sent back to the service center that approved it.

I want to say; I did win my case and the petition was REAFIRMED and sent back to HCMC for another interview. After nearly a 2 year, battle I feel the consulate fears most is old business.

Having a reaffirmed petition back on the desk of someone desk inside that or any other consulate for that matter put that consulate on notice the USCIS is aware that many petition are being sent back to USA and many are being sent back again as reaffirmed. If petitioners would fight their returned petitions rather than filing a new K-129, which, I feel the consulate prefers.

The issue here is to give all petitioners the prima fascia right that the petitions will be given due process and consideration; and that any reasonable burden of doubt go in favor of the petition (as all consulate officers are directed to take this position) but don’t. The Staff at the Consulate in HCMC are overwhelmed daily. Blue sheeting and green sheeting people and including RFE (request for evidence) AR, (administrative review) “I feel” are all stall tactics that buys time for consular staff, unfortunately at the expense and hardship of petitioners and beneficiary lives.

When I found out my petition was being sent back to USA I said to myself, ok, I am selling all my stuff and moving to Vietnam to do whatever… soon thereafter I said again… NOT, I am staying and fighting for my true and sincere relationship as I planned.

The time it takes for the petition to be sent back to USA is about the same time it is to challenge the CO findings and win a reaffirmed petition, then, that same petition/application “I paid for” is sent back and soon knocking on the Visa Unit door (Here I am again!) Appears to me, With enough reaffirmed petitions sent back it will raise the issue before USCIS to ask, or investigate as to why are so many of these K-129 petition are being sent back to us and being denied for unnecessary reason(s)

For us, The CO findings came back by The Vietnamese Embassy in Washington DC, and after my reading the form letter it did not seem to “me” that a reasonable person would conclude a denial was in order. The list of reason(s) for the denial must be SPECIFIC once knowing the reason(s) it is then easy to rebut the consular officers finding and win the reaffirmed petition.

Do not file a RFI (request for information) under the freedom of information act because that will really delay the process. Should your petition be sent back to the USA, hope in not over but the beginning of the fight for your love just dig in and wait.

Any who,

This was my choice in how I handled having my petition sent back to USA. “I felt,” Whatever the reason for the denial would only haunt the new petition because you’re in the system and if you don’t change or overcome the CO findings what is to say they wont use those same reason for denial of the new petition/interview again. Perhaps procedures have change. I do not know, but do your homework and stay current.

I am sharing my experience and my own personal feelings on this issue (hopefully) all goes well for you in this journey for you and the decision(s) you make.

Good luck

Don

Well everyone,

I've gotten everything my congressman's office asked for together. And I will hand deliver it tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully they can help in some way.

Also Ngoc called ME's assistant in Ho Chi Minh City and has setup an appointment to see him.

I'm so low I'm not expecting any help at this point, but the fact that I am trying to do something about it is keeping my head above water.

The worst part of this is having to explain to everyone you know why you didn't get the visa. And then them agreeing with you that someone must be on drugs not to approve it.

Sigh...

This information is all so familiar… After my blue and green-sheeted letters came my way, I wanted my case sent back to USCIS so I could fight on USA soil at USCIS Nebraska, where I file in 2004. I won the case and the director of USCIS Nebraska reaffirmed my petition then sent it back to HCMC via NVC who sent it on to HCMC.

Petitions sent back to USA go from HCMC to NVC Portsmouth, from here, they sent to the service center where you filed the K-129, remember, all this travel takes time. After about a year we had a second interview where my fiancée forgot our engagement date…. She was nervous and we were blue sheeted again! The translator, a 21 y/o gal had too much involvement in the process and I protested that. I contacted ME, he got the ball moving again, and after more months she arrived in June 2007

All I can say is, if you love em, you dig in and wait, wait, wait, you keep your life as you do. I brought a computer form my Love Vo and we chatted/web cam daily. Keep life the best you can and keep fighting! If you quit, you never really loved that person. “Hang Tough” for me, birthdays will pass, holidays pass by and friends and family member(s) pass away. If you surrender, you will only kick yourself later saying; time have past... and I quit fighting... You will always tell yourself, “mai mai” (forever) thereafter, I should have stuck it out.

I found that using my Congressman office was rather useless. The Consulate in HCMC finds no threat from local Congressman involment sure, they, (my Congressman’s liaison) kept my hope up and gave me different information than what the consulate was giving me which only added to my frustrations.

Hang in there.

Don

I am curious about the questions that are asked. What do you feel is the most bizarre, or strange one's that you loved one was asked?

During our second interview, my fiancée was asked; what was the year of our engagement?

This can be answered in two ways (trick question) ONE, (USA) the year I purposed, TWO (Vietnamese) the year we had our engagement party. She was blue sheeted for giving the wrong answer. I was furious! It took about 2 months to resolve this simple mistake and get the K-129 visa.

We will be celebrating our first wedding anniversary on June 16, 2008 she arrived on a (K-129) visa June 1, 2007. My wife would like to visit her homeland (Vietnam) for 6 weeks leaving on May 12, 2008. She has a current Washington State ID card and she has a current and valid Conditional Green Card. Will she have ANY problems leaving the USA and more importantly, entering back into the USA after her six week visit?

Are there any forms to fill-out before her departure with anyone? USCIS, Homeland Security or ANY other US Government agency I must do before her trip to Vietnam.

Any help is GREATLY appreciated =-)

Martindart

I am in the same situation. My Fiance is pregnant, and we have our interview May 30th. I hired Mr Ellis, and he is handling our case. So far, I am very pleased with the service he is providing.

I would also like to comment on the Marriage Fraud that seems to be rampant in Vietnam.

Nothing against the VN people, as I love one very uch, but it seems to me, every case of marriage fraud I have heard or read about was men in other asian countries getting women for the sex trade, or Other VN nationals in the US trying to make a quick buck, or get their family to the US. There may be other cases I am not aware of. But I am mainly referring to the case a year or 2 ago in the Seattle area.

Unfortunately, the mis-trust it is going to continue until people quit trying to make a quick buck, or trying to use ILLEGAL methods to get around immigration.

As far as people getting PINK or BLUE. It all depends on how you present your case. How you present your evidence. If you are only showing a couple of pictures, a couple of emails, only a short time together.

People need to realize that if they present their case showing a true and sincere love for each other, and a true on-going relationship, and the Finance answers the questions asked without hesitation, and is clear about the evidence, and shows genuine love and thoughtfulness in regard to the relationship. They will get the PINK.

IF they are missing documents, have a couple of emails, a couple of letters, a couple of pictures, the fiance can't answer questions about the relationship. Then you can expect BLUE.

Fortunately, I have a 1 1/2 years of chat logs chatting almost every day, almost 100 emails, a couple hundred pictures together, receipts for Dam Hoi, pictures, and jewelry. We spent almost 6 weeks together. Travelled across most of Southern Vietnam. Many months of phone bills speaking to each other and text messaging. Finally, she almost 4 months pregnant.

so, it is all about what your case looks like to the CO. If it appears loving and true, you get the PINK. If it appears questionable, you get the BLUE.

Do not become over confident, I had much more evidence then you have currently. Including a video of me speaking Vietnamese, a reaffirmed K-129 petition from the director’s office of USCIS Nebraska, a signature petition from the entire staff at the elementary school when I have worked for the past ten years attesting that my relationship and future plans with my fiancée is true. I started my k-129 petition on October 2004 and she finally touched USA soil on June 2007. I believe 6-8 months before my Fiancée arrival, I asked Marc Ellis to help us by keeping the CO/Visa Chief honest and to follow their own rules and reg, as they should.

Interviews by CO’s change at will, some interview this way and some interview that way. As in our case, (I feel) some CO involve the interrupter opinions to be a conclusion of fact rather then the guidelines all CO’s should always follow.

Good Luck!

Me again. Thanks for putting up with stupid questions.

Last week, my wife and step-daughter both got letters in the mail showing their appointment dates / times for their Biometrics thingy.

Perhaps I am confused, but I thought that children under 14 (step-daughter is 6) didn't have to have Biometrics done?

And, in typical gub'mint fashion, they scheduled the step-daughter for Feb. 12th, at 3pm, and the wife the next day, Feb. 13th, at 9am. Couldn't schedule them together, now could they...?

Is this typical?

-Az Parris

Atlanta, GA

We did the Bio, prints were bad, returned for AOS interview, asked if we could redo the prints again while were here... nope, we have to schudule a appointment twice to get the prints correct. Sill a problem, NOW need a letter from local police stating that no current arests or court date pending for any crimmial actions. we had to drive 3 times back and forth to try and get prints done. Traffic from Everett to Tukwilla is crazy... best to take the day off from work... which is what I did...

Hello fellow Vietnam VJers--

For those that do not know, I (Dalegg) have been keeping the list of Vietnam Visa Seekers for a couple years now. I've begun tapering down the list to include only people who actually ask to be added to the list, and it has been dwindling.

Well, my wife (Nicolegg) just received her 10 year green card, so with the exception of applying for citizenshiip, our journey is pretty much over, and with the exception of an occasional pop in now and then, I'm not going to be spending a lot of time here. So.... I need to give up the user "Vietnam" to someone else who may want to keep it going. If you are interested in retaking the list, let me know and I will transfer the E-Mail address you choose to the account. By the way, since you will have the ability to edit a single post over and over, you need to be a little proficient in HTML and be a responsible enough member to not abuse your priveledges. I'll be checking with the Captain to see if anyone interested is worthy!

Until someone actually takes it over, I'll keep it up. Good luck to everyone!

I, for one a many VJ member will miss you. We have gone through some very hard times over the years trying to bring our loved one home. The support have been helpful and this site was my only ankor of support. I thank you for the help and all others who have provide very helpful information in those times of wait wait wait.

I understand your desire to move on with you life. I too, am eager to start living with my now Vo. After this 2 and one half year battle I can finally rest and enjoy life. I waanted to say Cam on! for being there and makeing VJ members a special group.

all my best to you! "mai mai"

Happy Holidays!

Don Nicely aka martindart

PS, yes I will update my timeline once this old computer will allow me too...

We went to our AOS interview and we had every document you can think of showing a joint married life. Upon arrival, a ten-minute wait and in we went. They asked for nothing (documents) and we spoke about our life together sine she arrived on June 1.

Oh, we had to get a local police letter stating that she had no pending charges or have been arrested since her arrival. The FBI rejected her fingerprints because the prints done at the Bio appointment were not good enough. Therefore, now we wait for the green card to come in the mail … I guess.

Good luck to you!

Hello everyone!

Well Im going straight to the point, I live down here in Miami and My wife had Her Biometrics Appointment a couple

of weeks ago, She has Dermatitis in one of her hands so her fingerprints in that hand are really hard to notice, at the time

on the Apointment they check her hand and they gave her The Ok to take her fingerprints.

Last week we receive a letter saying that the FBI couldn't ready her finger prints so she has to take them again.

Heres my question She's going to have the same problem when she takes her fingerprints again, has anyone had the same problem?

is there a phone number to call then and ask what is there to do in this case?

thanks for all your help!

latz

I wrote a similar experence and posted it... many people viewed it yet no one replied.

Ok, on 8-15-07, we appeared at USCIS Application Support Center waited 2 hours and had the Biometrics done (fingerprints) USCIS stamped our I-797 that we were there and did it.

I get a letter today from the same USCIS Application Support Center asking us to appear for Biometrics (fingerprints) for the FBI.

We have an AOS interview 10-18-07 but they want us to appear 10-31-07 again for Biometrics (fingerprints) for FBI can’t they use the same Biometrics (fingerprints) we did last August 15? do I have to pay the fee again?

Is this a joke or is this common.

Thanks!

martindart

Hello again,

If we pass our AOS interview on the 18th can my "now wife" (Vo) be able to work without filing for the EAD or will we have to file for that?

Thanks so much!

wish us luck =-)

Martindart

Ok, Time to find a civil surgeon in my area Everett/Seattle for upcoming AOS interview. What can I say to medical people who answer the phone (quick and simple) so I am not ripped off for unnecessary test, exam and such? My Fiancée had a medical exam in HCMC last February and she is current on all shots and the TB thing

Thanks!

First: Congratulations on your NOA2. Big step!

Oh boy here we go. After skimming through about 10 pages of topics and reading into them I am now worrying myself. It looks like from what i can gather that only going 1 time will not look to good for me and the fact i was introduced to her by her uncle here is not good for me.

Seem normal and traditional, doesn’t it? Not with HCMC, this is the typical route for marriage frauds to bring people here via K-1 Visa. I’m glad you got your work cut out in the early stage. Being worry is fine, you should be for this is NOT a walk in the park by all means. Get yourself ready for the journey. I see you were being very optimistic about the over-time of completion (3-4 months), I would say, you’re not far off, but there are cases never approved and must move on to K-3 (getting married in VN). I say, rather be doom and groom, give it 6 months  for the overall turn around time.

For proof of relationship i have a lot of stuff from my I129F (originals and copies of all) but i also have a TON more if i use wedding stuff... we did the traditional Buddhist wedding with a 100+ person after party but did not file the papers to have a legal marriage. i have TONS of receipts for all the pictures and studio work and etc,etc. would i be okay to use all that? will they be concerned that i am really married to her? I'm talking hundreds of pictures from the party, both professional and amature as well as receipts for every last ting bought that had to do with the wedding. some things have my name on it, some don't. credit card statements, money advances while in HCMC, etc. will also be included.

This is good, very good. Organize according the order of the events (think scrap-book). But also, keep in mind, NOT ONE SINGLE item will make or break your case. You just need to read up on VJ and make your best decision on what to be included and what is unnecessary. Note: Your case is NOT the their (HCMC) first , they’ve seen it all, mounts of evidence and all the photos, to HCMC, these can all be doctored up for a minimal fee (in Vietnam of course) 

also to help with the ongoing, asides from our emails, text messages, letters, etc, i've been sending $100+ to her each month to help support her while she is training for nails and going to English school. I have a copy of the receipts some handwritten, some printed both on the stores letterhead showing the money is going from me to her.

Helpful but not much of evidence, at least a strong, supportive evidence. We had a long discussion on this matter last week. Ask Jonh.Austin. Sending money monthly is NOT an evidence of relationship. Receipt again, can be doctored up, so you will need to prove beyond the reasonable of the doubt these receipts are REAL  tough huh? I know!

also for reading enjoyment and insight into our not so normal love story (that started last Oct....)

after about 3 or 4 months into the relationship of emails, letters, chat, im, phone, etc we started talking about getting married to each other and decided it is what we wanted to do. we planned for me to be there from march 9-30 with the wedding on march 17th. we decided that when we met if the relationship continued as it did before we met in person then we would go ahead with it. Not only did i feel like i knew her for my whole life from the first time we were together, but over the time we were together our relationship developed so much and was so amazing. I know she is the girl of my dreams and it was meant to be and only by God could it have ever happened.

And by BUHDA!

i just hope that the CO can believe we truly love each other like we do with everything we present to them. I'm assuming it would be best for Tram to tell them "we talked about being married on the internet and after we met we decided it was right and got engaged and had a bhuddist wedding" iif she is asked about how we got engaged. and be completely honest about our unusual love story. ARHGHGH! is how i feel about it. Its so much to explain for her in english, i know in Vietnamese she'd be fine though.

I like your way of thinking, but hoping and convincing the CO to approve your fiance’s K-1 Visa is two different things. No matter what happens during this journey, your ultimate goal is to get the PINK. Being honest is the core success of the whole thing, if you lie, they’ll find out. If you hide, they’ll go to your house. If you try something funny, they’ll delay and Deny! Last but not least, you will face the toughest emotional struggle you’ve never had, and feel hopeless sometimes (think: you’re here in the US, she’s over there in VN, can’t get there quick enough to hug her)

I just hope and pray that the government believes this is an honest and true relationship.

The government? Which one? Commies or Cheney’s? Don’t worry about the Govt, any govt, think: how can I tell my love story that CO will believe?

Okay enough of my worrying seeping out. (more like flood gating out) i feel a little better typing all of this even if no one ends up having any advice. I'm so glad this site is here heh. MAN and its only day 2 for me. 4 more months to go.

That’s all good, there are many veterrants who have been down this road before you, with worst case scenarios, and look where they are now… happy and wouldn’t think twice if they have to do it all over again. I know I would for Kim. The Vietnamese community here is strong and knowledgeable, sometimes giving you the shoulder to cry on, sometimes they just give you the “tough love” to get you back in focus and remember why you are doing this and you are here on VJ 

Be well,

Chuck and Kim

Well said Chuck and Kim.

Ok, I have got the I-797 NOA for filing the I-485 along with all documents they asked for. I go to check my Receipt Number MSC-XX-XXX-XXXXX enter the RN click submit, then comes back as an unknown If they have issued me the NOA I-797, (arrived 3 days ago USPS) Q; If they have sent me the NOA with RN I should be in their system so I can check the status of this case or is there another waiting period until they have entered me into their system?

martindart

Can I check online for case status for AOS? if so, what number do I enter?

Is there a way to check AOS online?

This is new information to me

Any help... thanks!

Yes, I am in the same boat as you... No cashed check, No green recieved RRR card, tracking says it was delivered. Does anyone have a phone number I, we can call?

If USPS did as I paid them to do I'd have a green Return Reciept Requested card signed/stamped in my hands today. Turn around time is the same day of delivery, right?

forgive me if we have U.S. postal workers here