Maxzim

If the CO thought they failed to prove a bona fide relationship, would that be categorized as 'other' on the denial letter? Would the denial letter state that?

What could be the things that fall under the 'other' category? I'm trying to google that, but can't find anything.

Maybe they think she only wants to get to the US for the internship in NY?

She already graduated and got her diploma with excelence. Not an option.

Not sure about Other. I know 221g is usually when docs are needed.

How did she get though a special background check for an internship in Russia but not get through one for the US? This is done by the Azerbaijan government?

Yes, it is done by Azerbaijan gorvernment. by Ministry of foreign affairs. In russian's case it was different as MFA actually has a program that she qualified for and that's how she studied in Russia.

She is still pending check in MFA. She never heard back. She was supposed to hear back in December 2013.

Ugh. She applied to do inernship in Azerbaijan office of United Nations in New york. They accepted her. But MFA never responded on her check:(UUUGGH. That might be the reason? They don't have any kind of communcaition in MFA:( I HATE THAT COUTNRY SO BAD:( UGH:(

I thought your family lived in the US. Not true?

Much of that looks good. Yes, spending more time with her or living with her will help a lot.

Only my Mother and her husband, my step-dad(not on paper)

Hey Max, that is good, useful, information.

I am not accusing her of lying, I was just suggesting you think through it, and now it looks like you have.

The one thing that sticks out to me is how much she talked about how she loves you and trusts you. That's kind of weird, to supply that when not being asked. The CO might have thought it was overcompensation. It is not a contest for the biggest love.

My questions: When did you propose? On the first meeting? How did you guys reconnect? When was the last time your family saw her family?

Living with her is a good idea. You will need a co-sponsor (for her immigration) to come back. You will still have to file US taxes on income earned abroad, but it probably won't be taxed (but you have to file).

Edit: And happy photos can be faked. Not that I am accusing her of faking it, but a liar can smile, so it's not that strong of evidence.

She cannot recall what she said word by word. the way she described it to me, i didn't feel like she talked about love too much especially knowing Kristy, who does NOT over use that word at all. In fact i was nervous that she didn't enough feelings towards me on the interview.

I proposed in paril this year. when we met the second time. I did not propose on the first meeting. 7 month after first meeting. I reconnected through a social network website. Odnoklassniki. Russian FB. then quickly moved to FB. started talking. and it picked up from there. About family, Before I met her online, they haven't seen one another probably since we were kids. so at least 10-15 years. well, My father helped out when Kristy's mother passed away, which was 6 years ago. that's about it. and then I met all her family and she met my family when we got engaged. in april 2014. and they skype here and there with my mother here.

So me traveling there and living with her for like 2-3 month, would that be any help? I can put my job on hold for 2-3 month.

OP, first of all, I'm so sorry this is happening to you guys. I hope it will get resolved soon but as others have stated, you need to find out why Kristy's visa was denied. Was she given any paper at the end of the interview? Did they give her her passport back?

I'm thinking there has to have been something that CO found in your file that wasn't adding up. Also, they have more information on you and her than you can think of. For example, at my interview, the CO asked me about my (then) finance's ex girlfriend(s) and if they had any property together (the did and I knew about it and what happened to it after they broke up). They knew that plus what job he has and how much he makes because the CO didn't even ask to see the I-134 or tax returns or w2. I even asked him if he wanted to see it, he said it was not needed for this type of visa. Also, the lady that took my fingerprints only took my DS-160, several photos and several e-mails and that's all that the CO saw. She did, however, ask me to tell her my (then) fiance's phone number in case they needed to contact him for whatever reason. They already had his phone number on file, but I'm sure she wanted to check if I knew it. So not only the stuff CO did or said matter, everything from entering the embassy to finishing the interview matters.

It could be something you and your fiancee aren't even aware of. Has she ever applied for a US visa? Has she ever been a member of any organizations? Did she know all the answers to the questions asked at the interview? Was there anything that the CO lingered on, asked more questions about? COs don't deny visas for no reason at all. There was something in your file that made her decide to deny that visa. Ask your fiancee to write down everything she remembers about the interview, what was asked and how she answered those questions. Maybe this will help her remember something that she may have forgotten due to stress.

I wish you all the best and keep us posted! Good luck!

Thanks for the response.

I attached the paper she was given.

She has never applied to US Visa. Organization? what kind of organization. she voluntered a lot while she studied. Now that I think about it, She had her Internship in Azerbaijan Embassy in Russian for the final paper to graduate her master's degree. and she applied for internship for one Azerbaijan organization here in US, in New York that she never got through special backgorund check for internship abroad in Azerbaijan as you need to pretty much pay money(illegally) or need to know somebody in order to your case to move. She didn't do any of that, so they said they lost her application first and then told her to wait and wait and never heard back. so she never applied for Visa. And ended up doing Internship in Russia, in Azerbaijan Embassy.

Max,

A lot of people are trying to help you, but you seem to reply with very confused answers. To be successful in this, you'll have to learn to think like a CO.

Having a wedding does NOT prove a relationship. A lot of fraud people get married, having a big party doesn't prove much, except that you are willing to spend a lot for immigration.

We still have not established that the family relationship is the reason for denial, either. It is a good guess, but you will need to go over the questions she was asked, every single one, to get a better idea.

Another possibility is that, as I suggested, she has been lying to you and she is really married, or she is a drug dealer, or she lied somewhere, or something like that. I doubt that is the reason, but it is good to be thorough in thinking through this. If that were the reason, they they could not tell you, the USC, about it, for privacy reasons.

And, it is not a procedural error like no police cert, it's not that she went to Russia once. Really.

I am not sure if you are still in shock, or if you never thought about this, or if you are not ready to pore over it. I and others have asked questions that have gone unanswered.

But going ahead with a marriage without properly addressing the reason for denial could lead to disaster. Getting married doesn't erase the problem.

But, whenever you are ready, people here will help you. Good luck.

I do appreciate people trying to help. And I do not see a question that was not answered. the only once that I didn't answer, my friend Sekhvaruli answered for me as she was closely following my process so she knows I do have Russian Police certificate.

Kristy lying to me is not an option. I didn't want to say this because that's what everybody says or wants to believe but I am 200% trust her. She sacrificed too many things in her life to be with me and to not tell me something like drugs or especially other Marriage. She sacrificed her career that was already alined up there and her entire family that she is very close with. Including a grandmother that raised Kristy that depends only on Kristy.

Here are some other details on interview:

Showed up, her name was not in the list for appointments. after security guy went inside and came back they let her in and after providing Appointment confirmation was put in the list manually. then she was asked to provide Birth certificate. Was taken Original and certified translation. police certificate form Azerbaijan. She offered from Russia too, they said yes and asked her if she lived in any other countries. She said no. then asked for her passport and for the COPY of her passport(weird?) then asked for medical folder, payment - provided. Then there was some confusion with Affidavit of support docs. the guy asked about it in a confusing way and my Kristy thought he was asking her bank information. Then she showed what she had and he said yes, that's what he needs. Then they asked her to wait. she waited 4 hours. about 15 people came in after her and left getting their visa before her. She was called to the window for the interview very last there and CO's face went form happy and smiley to very serious all the sudden(All other interviews that were there, CO was happy and joking and laughing).

Q&As

CO: Tell me about him?

Kristy: She said where I was born, where I live, that has known me since we were 5 and then didn't communicate until 2 years ago. talked about our parents knew each other. Then told her how much she loved me and that she has never loved anyone like that before and thought she would never love anybody like this.

CO: What does he do?

Kristy: She said where i worked and my Job Title.

CO:When and where have you met?

Kristy said dates and some details about each visit.

CO: What do you usually talk about on Skype?

Kristy: Everything. I have never trusted anybody to talk about everything. i tell him everything and he is the only person in my life I can share everything with. Last time we talked I told him about the trip to georgia in the train and my emotions about Tbilisi. ''Looked at her watch (where it has 2 screens. One for the local time and one for what time it is here in US. I gave her that for her birthday)" and said it is 4:30am right now there but he is not sleeping and waiting for me to call him when I leave here.

CO: Do you work?

Kristy: No. I just graduated.

CO: Where have you studied and what for?

Kristy, 4 years in Moscow for Philosophy and 2 years in Moscow for International Relation.

Then right after that question CO left somewhere and came back after about 5 minutes with - Unfortunately we cannot give you a visa. We will be sending your file back to USCIS. Kristy Asked why? Guy that was standing next to CO(Translator) stated that that's what CO decided. And then when Kristy was already in shock, broke in tears and didn't understand anything they told her to contact USCIS.

That's it...

In addition about CO, Kristy said it looked like Co wasn't interested in her answers or the case at all. she was typing something the entire interview and was given no feedback or any emotions about anything what so ever.

E-mailed to Tbilisi trying to figure out when they are sending the docs to USCIS and trying to figure out the reason. I don't think I will hear anything back but I tried anyway:(

is it worth wait for USCIS response? I mean, 120 days wait just to hear a reason? and 10 months for K3 or CR1. Guys. I don't know what to do. I am ready to just leave this country and move back to Azerbaijan. If i do that, how do I come back without a job here? with sponsor? Do I still pay taxes? I heard if you make less than 91k a year, you don't have to pay taxes but you still have to fill it out to prove. Is there anything else I need to know as a US citizen living in different country?

Ps:

I don't understand, how do you lie in this kind of pics?.... Ugh......

Pss

Before people start asking about the wedding that is mentioned in the pics description - it is a wedding we attended together. And ugh, several grammar mistakes there, just now noticed:( UGH.

Finally some good news for us - we just got our NOA2. Now more waiting for NVC and the dreaded Tbilisi embassy...

Awesome!!! Fingers crossed for you.

K-3s are largely obsolete. Timelines for IR1/CR1 appear to be running around a year, but you shouldn't pull your K-1 and get married and go through the IR1/CR1 route without knowing precisely why she was denied.

Why? So far, most of the opinions here come to that they didn't believe our relationship. What is a better way to prove the relationship than celebration event of 200+ people of legalizing on paper your relationship(wedding)?

Just e-mailed Tbilisi and tried to ask how i could get possible reason. Will see what they respond with...

when was the last time you seen each other? not sure if you answered that question already ..sorry if you did

September/august 2013

April 2014.

i would say they think its fraud because you anf your fam knows hers. my husband was almost denied because his last name is same as my mom and in his country that could mean you are related whether its blood or not so they didnt beleive us. they didnt deny us but ask for more info (221g) and called to talk to his uncle and my mom in the US. they even called to interview me. i know they didnt believe that we werent related because thats what they pretty much asked everyone they called to talk to. one thing im glad was that they took the effort to try to catch us ina lie only to find that there wasnt any lies andso we were approved instead of instantly denying us.

what im trying to say is that being anyway related or just knowing each other for a long time, or family being family friends is something that will make them suspect that the relationship is fake. i dont think its any other reason cuz if you guys were missing info they would just 221g you for more info.

That's crazy logic considering that they pretty much require parents' and realtives' approval of your relationship and advice to have pictures with relatives and family together..... If that is the real reason I really don't know what to say. I did mention in bunch of letters that we weren't best friends between 5 years old and when we met online again. And I had a couple love letters where she states something like "after I met you my life changed" which makes it clear that I didn't change her life at the age of 5..... ugh... The purpose of mentionish that we knew each other when we were kids and our parents new each other was to show that she is from a good family and wouldn't have intent to fraud..... If they really might deny bcause of that, they may deny for everything.. "Oh, you guys love each other too mcuh and don't see reality because you are so in love!" - would be a great reason to deny too.. What the hey?

Anyone could share info what are the real timeframes for K3, CR1s right now? I live in Iowa, so for K1 I went automatically to CSC. Is it the same logic for K3 or no?(Better not be, some of the stats I saw, Cali is one of the longest wait time:()

Thanks everyone for input, suggestions and support. I appreciate it.

If things are still going the same way they are now you *might* get auto-expedited since you are a USC living abroad. You'll have to provide more evidence of domicile and your intent to return to the states.

I'd agree with others that the most likely cause is the family ties that you've had for most of your life. They think that you've been friends with this person and her family for most of your life and that as a friend you are trying to help her immigrate. From the sounds of it that is the most likely cause of the denial with the information that you've given.

Marriage is the first option to show that you have every intent of marrying and building a life together. Of course, if there are other reasons for the denial then they could come up again.

If you decide to get married and apply for the spousal visa, you should emotionally prepare yourselves for a long, difficult process. Hopefully the wait times will be better for you than they are now. Living with her abroad would be the best way to save yourselves a long, hard time apart.

Good luck!!

Fair enough. thanks for info and opinion.

What if I quit job here and find a job there. how do I show my Affidavit of Support without US income?

she is already married.

I will ask her

There was a case here where the beneficiary was denied for K-1 visa. The petition was returned to USCIS to revoked. The petitioner decided to marry the beneficiary. Oddly enough, after a few months their petition was reaffirmed and returned to the embassy and create a confusion since they both were already married. My advise is, just wait until you hear anything from USCIS, keep making contact both embassy and USCIS, visit your fiancee and give her moral supports. It is devastating and both of you have to give in a shoulder to cry on to each other.

Hmmm, interesting. Can't you just easily cancel k1 petition?

And thanks for the supportive words. That's what I am working on right now. to get a permission from my boss to either work from home or give me a big unpaid vacation. I know this is not realted, but does anybody know, if let's say I moved to Azerbaijan and worked from there and lived there for 6-12 month. would that affect spouse visa process?

So sorry Max! I hope you can get some information from either the Embassy or USCIS so at least you know the reason you were denied. I would get your politicians involved.

From what I have read here, it is a waste of time. I'd rather focus on the marriage thing and start process for that.

I just can't believe USCIS has no influence on the visa issuance at all. it makes it so not fair considering that most of the countries’' immigration and other documentation system are so messed up and as a result it affects US system too. ugh

Did you have interview with CO in Almay, Kazakhstan?

Tbilisi, Georgia

Hi, this just happened to my fiancé and me on the 7th in the Dominican Republic. No reason given, sooo many questions were asked, and after the second round of questioning, I was sure we were fine, because we had answered all of the questions the same. We were given a letter and told the case would be sent back to USCIS. But the woman never called it a denial. I contacted my Congressman's office, and they are reaching out to the embassy, since they would not give me any information, to see if anything can be done and when the case is scheduled to go back to USCIS. From everything I have researched though, it seems a re-affirmed case is very unlikely. We went to see a lawyer and their recommendation was to get married and begin the spouse petition. However, we could wait it out he said. Send me a message if you would like to discuss further.

I am sorry to hear this and understand your pain. Stay strong! thanks for the discussion offer. I will contact you!

I watched your video. First, when they received the package they immediately dismantled your binder and threw it away. You included some little things thrown in the plastic pages, those might have gotten lost too. And, they will not read links or electronic stuff so they did not read your facebook chats at all.

How did you become a USC?

Did you get engaged on your first meeting?

Your parents know eachother, did you keep in touch all these years?

Where do your and her parents live?

Little things? the only little things were passport photos and I attached them with a paper clip. I know it should have been in a plastic bag. But they would request additional or completed docs if they lost it, wouldn't they?

I got my Naturalized citizenship after 5 years risiding in the state of Iowa after family reunion(My mother got married to a US citizen and after her arival, my step-dad applied docs for me.) imigration process.

We got engaged on our Second visit.

our parents do not keep in touch. Her parents are relatives of our family friends so they would hang out together on occasions' gatherings such as birthdays and stuff. Her mother passed away 6 years ago and her dad had a new family and they are settled in Baku. don't see that as a potential reason either.

Duplicate threads on the same topic have been merged together in one location - it is never a good idea to post the same topic in several different places.

Moderator hat off -

I watched your video. It looked like an excellent petition package and obviously got approved by USCIS in the US. Something at the Consulate level, however, acted to counter that package.

There are still 3 areas that come to mind: a) the familial connections - how 'quickly' the relationship developed may allow them to think that this is a family plan to arrange for your fiancee, and eventually her family to come to the US. I am not sure about the fraud level in her country but in view of the evidence that you did provide, I think they would be hard pushed to justify that one.

b) a security check on your fiancee revealed a possible problem - any interaction with the law, any previous immigration related activity, anything like that - especially if it was not revealed anywhere in the petition or at the interview

c) You provided them with your Facebook access - if there was something somewhere on her pages not related to you that sounded suspicious to them, they may have determined she is not being honest about the relationship in some way

Anyway, good luck.

Sorry moderator. just thought maybe there are users that checking only that area in particular.

Kathryn41, Thanks. It is not a high fraud country. My fiancee didn't have any imigration activities before nor she had any interaction with the law. The only thing about that is she studied in Russia for 6 years. and last 2 years, her master's degree is for International Relation. Considering that U.S. is not friends with Russia now, could that have an impact. Focud on her Master's was relation between Azerbaijan and Russia tho. had nothing to do with US.

Something makes me think, that, if they don't let you know the reason, they suspect fraud. And probably will never let you know that, to prevent the applicants, they suspect to be fraudsters, from getting read of the reason of their suspect.

I am thinking the same thing but about that she studied in Russia. because of Politi Relationship between this two countries they may have personal not liking nationality. which like you said, they will never admit that....

Ugh

OMG, this is horrible. They had to provide a reason. Did she get 221g form?

see attached.

Anna, i can't really keep asking her details, obviously she doesn't want to talk about it now. what she told me is that she was very last one and waited 4 hrs.people came and left and she waited and waited. when she came, her name was not in the list, but she showed printed confirmation page, and they included her in manually.. (strange..) On the interiew itself, she was interviewed in English. Translator was standing there too but he never joined the interview untill when she got the attached notice.They asked her about me. What I do. What we talk about. When is the wedding. and about her education. and then CO left to consult with somebody else. then came back with her passport and the paper:(

Sorry guys. that's all i have for now. if i hear anything more, I will share.

Stay positive!

Called USCIS... Like expected. They asked me the reason... Ugh... They said they do not have any control over visa issuance. and I need to wait 120 days in order for them to review the file that US Embassy sent back to them. only then I will find out the reason... how ridiculous.

Kathryn41,

take a look at the video in the first post in this topic that I created:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/498853-azerbaijan-k1/page-5#entry7198461

Call the number and find out what is going on.

Called... Like expected. They asked me the reason... Ugh... They said they do not have any control over visa issuance. and I need to wait 120 days in order for them to review the file that US Embassy sent back to them. only then I will find out the reason... how ridiculous.

And yeah Anna, I have no idea if that's not the case:( 0 guesses:(

Hi OP, sorry to hear it.

You need to go over the interview question by question from your fiance, and figure out what was asked. That will give you a clue into the problem. Getting married will not just solve the problem, you could get denied again, so you will need to figure out what it was and address it.

When and how did you meet? How many times have you met in person and for how long?

I know:( She can't stop crying. so i can't get that information from her:(

we met when we were kids. Our parents are friends. and then we met online on fb and started talking again. after childhood we met twice. I traveled to her country specifically to meet her. both times for 2 weeks.

They didn't say the reason. Just said contact USCIS....

I don't know what i'm gonna do. Freak otu and be super mad at them is not gonna do any good for me. Having a meeting with my manager later to see if he will letme work remotely. If that gets apprvoed Will trabel to Baku and live there with her, get married and then apply for spouse visa and wait there with her...

I still feel like somebody needs to wake me up:(

Her tears are killing me:(

Good morning guys. Just had interview in US Embassy of Tbilisi, Georgia... Denied... Was told docs are getting sent back to USCIS and if we have questions contact them. no explanation what so ever.

My fiancee had to go travel to a different country for the interview. Is there anything she can do there now? or she can leave the country and go back home?

The only POSSIBLE reason I can think of they could deny her is that she studied in Russia for the last 6 years. and just graduated. so she had no job, no commitments back in Azerbaijan:( COuld that really be a reason?

Other reasons such as proof of relationship, meeting in person, financial support etc is out of questions. we never even got an RFE in the original petition:(

This entire process was going too perfect:( I knew this was too good to be true to be with the love of my life in less than a month:(......

My life is crushed right now...

I can not believe this happened. I want to wake up:( all efforts, all plans, money, everything is WASTED:(

If I recall reading this forum correctly, if petittion goes back to USCIS that's pretty much a no no and it makes sense to get married and apply from scratch. Is it even worth calling USCIS like we were advised after the interview?

THOUGHTS?

Idk if it is too late, but thought'd I'd respond anyway.

"Dear ....,

We would like to inform you that the visa fee can be paid prior to the interview or at the moment of the interview at the Embassy. Please let us know if you have any other questions and we will gladly assist you.

Best regards,
US GSS VISA SERVICE DESK"

here is a topic i have that you might find helpful:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/498853-azerbaijan-k1/

Thank you!

Yeah, I provided everything they asked/required and even more to prove that i can financially support her:(

and from what I read on this forum, it is pointless to call Embasse. they will not give oyu any information. and in USCIS there are dummies that don't know what they are talking about.

i just can't believe that this is it. Have to start from scratch and not gurantee that they won't deny our spouse visa for the same reason(Which I DON't KNOW what it is) This sounds so not fair because there is no specific reason or if there is a reason that they can't tell me:( don't we have a right to know a reason?