shadowflex

Oh my God no advancement in the Bulletin

When my PD will be current

but Hopefully no retrogression

Have you filled the Choice of Agent form and paid the AOS fee? I think you should be able to do that if you have the Case number and Invoice Identification number.

Good to see that Shadowflex.Goodluck to you.

Thanks vkrishn. Goodluck to you at the interview

Thank you for showing us this, Im so confident about February VB, and I hope NVC will start my process, id like to be with my family this year

Hard luck my friend.

Another member DSCR did get the NVC process going with a Case complete even though member's PD is Sep 11th (Cut off as per VB is Sep 8th). But don't lose heart. If your PD meets NVC's Qualifying date which i believe is beyond Sep 8th (else NVC wouldn't have processed DSCR's case) they will process or in other words NVC will know the Qualifying date much more earlier than the cut off date and process. I hope the wait for you is not more than 1-2 months.

Link to CC thread where DSCR's case is Case complete even with a PD of Sep 11th, 2013.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/445627-f2a-filers-waiting-for-case-completion-from-nvc/page-244

Goodluck.

Hi,

My PD is 09/09/13 and i have gone as far as IV fee payment. I believe NVC has a sort of PD known to them alone or maybe because my PD is just a day away from the current PD. You'd never know! Above all I pray February will favor us.

Hi all, I have read all your comments and i quite agree with all of you. Basically we all have different vantage points. It is important to mention that most fraudulent Green card seeking guys come out here to fashion themselves with ideas on how to go about it. It is equally important to point out that there are a lot of innocent guys who through this forum have received help to get together with their loved ones. One thing is, you cannot close your eyes completely because you detest the sight of bad guys, if you do so, you risk not seeing good guys too.

I think NVC is another opportunity to add more documents you feel can strengthen your case most especially when it is going to high risk countries (West Africa, East Africa, India and maybe China...list not exhaustive), and also if you have found lots of Red Flags in your application ( Age difference, Nationality, Meeting the Parents/Previous visit...list not also exhaustive).

It is a lot better to RISK adding more COGENT documents and maybe a relationship timeline (as someone suggested) to give an overview of your case and a ready made impression on the CO. I used the word RISK because, of course, some CO's may find a lorry load of documents offensive and somewhat suspicious. You don't want to submit a rim of paper to a CO who happens to be a member of "SAVE THE TREES" society!

So i will go ahead and add the relevant documents. In my own case, Petitioner and Beneficiary are both Nigerian born, been friends/dating for 9 yrs before petitioner became LPR, been married for 4 months.

Above all, thank you all for your comments.

Cheers

Hi all,

"Front loading" is a phrase i have come across a lot of times on VJ. It basically means submitting so many relationship documents at the petition submission stage. (I-130) as opposed to taking them with you on the interview day. For example, email logs, chat logs, phone call logs , wedding pictures, etc

"High Risk Countries" are supposed to be countries with high risk of fraud. Countries like Nigeria and other west and east African countries. Someone mentioned China, India and Vietnam too.

"Red Flag" is another phrase i have seen which means suspicion of spurious relationship between the petitioner and beneficiary. High indicators can be Age difference, racial difference, number of visit times and the list goes on and on.

I have been reading a lot about this front loading theories. Sadly we didn't submit much with the I-130, only copy of marriage certificate, change of name notification, 3 wedding pictures with both set of parents and that's all. We did not put chat logs, phone logs or email logs, even though we have 3 years Phone, Facebook and Skype logs. Just did not think it fit to put them. Now the petition is at NVC and we are about to send in the AOS package, do you think it would be awkward to send relationship evidence at this stage?

I do not think we have any red flag as the age difference is 5yrs, beneficiary is Nigerian, petitioner is a Nigerian with US LPR and has visited Nigeria 3 times in 3yrs. The only thing that may raise flags is lack of relationship evidence in my own opinion. What do you make of it? Do we go ahead and put this evidence at NVC stage?

Thanks for your anticipated comments.

Cheers!

A lot of confusion is how much is a lot, too much, not enough and just right. That is no general answer and one size does not

fit all. If someone has a one year relationship before filing then it is obviously less than someone who has been in the relationship

for 4 years. A couple pages of varies means to communicate a week or month depends also on the length of the relationship, weekly if a

short relationship and monthly if a long relationship or if the case was returned due to 'lack of bona fide', then you start over and

in the end have to proof you are still communicating and have an ongoing relationship and have not bailed out.

Of course one has more if several different means are used as well.

A consistent flow and quality is more important than "too much".

Visits are more important and evidence of such as we all know by now.

My purpose is for others to join in and list countries that they know need this little extra front loading so we have a picture of

which countries besides Nigeria.

We have Nigeria and China so far. Again I suggest the whole of West and East Africa, would also add Vietnam but prefer

someone from those regional forums to make that call.

Please list countries here.

I hear ya Ebunoluwa. I grow so tired of "I submitted the required Marriage certificate. They asked for nothing else why did I get denied" or "I thought all we had to do was meet within the 2 years". People need to stop. And you are rght quality frontloading really you can't fake the funk cuz a CO will and has interviewed and seen through all that wahala.

Just in the last year I have seen time and time again denials not from evidence submitted but from how the interviewee responded to questions they should have known and a CO will come out of left field with that stuff and rightly so.

So I am all for the frontloading (sniff I want to petition somebody now....hehe)

Okay seriously though. As I have told so many people who have asked me what to submit and how to submit. I say your petition should be your love story a page turner each page giving a snapshot of your lives together and apart but building that future that you will someday have together.

1000 pages of sex chats (yes someone I know did that and denied) hardly tells anything but that you are horny. LOL

Everyone needs to step away and look at your stack of evidence with a CO's eyes and say if you didn't know these people (and a CO don't know you) what does this stack of evdience tell me about them. And you sure can show feelings, emotions and attitudes in those chats, skype's, IM's emails and letters.

So people hear Ebunoluwa and follow and lets get those approvals the first time around.

Good looking out my dear.

The problem with "high fraud" consulates is they got that tag for a reason. It almost always has to do with the average behavior of the people that walk through the door. People that fail to get a visa with one passport and show up later with a different one, people who present all sorts of forgeries they buy from "visa agents" The consulate knows how many spousal/fiance visas survive the first few years based on how many of those people file for ROC with a waiver and how many are just deported for outright fraud. Each one of these people makes the metrics of "good" visas drop and raise the bar for the next person. Anyone can photo shop or manufacture evidence , I can get 100 affidavits about the truthfulness of the relationship for less than a decent dinner, What matters most is the ability of the interviewee to convince the CO they have a reasonable relationship despite what the metrics and red flags may point to. To many enter the embassy thinking the visa is a done deal and get caught ill prepared and some get tripped up by the impossible to answer question like what happened in our first interview. . The paper work just prepares the CO for the questions it is up to the person on the other side to be able to answer those question in the proper manner

Hi all,

I have been reading a lot about this front loading theories. Sadly we didn't submit much with the I-130, only copy of marriage certificate, change of name notification, 3 wedding pictures with both set of parents and that's all. We did not put chat logs, phone logs or email logs, even though we have 3 years Phone, Facebook and Skype logs. Just did not think it fit to put them. Now the petition is at NVC and we are about to send in the AOS package, do you think it won't be awkward to send relationship evidence at this stage?

I do not think we have any red flag as the age difference is 5yrs, beneficiary is Nigerian, petitioner is a Nigerian with US LPR and has visited Nigeria 3 times in 3yrs. The only think that may raise flags is lack of relationship evidence in my own opinion. What do you make of it? Do we go ahead and put this evidence at NVC stage?

Thanks for your anticipated comments.

Cheers!

Hi all, so if you didn't frontload at the i-130 stage, you cannot frontload again, perhaps somewhere at NVC stage? Taking a lorry load of paper to the interview isnt going to be interesting. My skype chat log is 500+ pages imagine in just 3 years...

That is interesting then. what did NVC say? Did they say that Interview will he scheduled for you even though your PD is still not current?

Shadowflex should be super excited to see this. Atleast the case can get processed at NVC!

Yes vkrishn, i am!

NVC said there is nothing I need to do, just wait for the interview email.

My understanding from this document http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/Immigrant%20Visa%20Control%20System_operation%20of.pdf is that my wife (the applicant) just became 'documentarily qualified' which means her application should be added to the visa demand for Jan14.

Now, if the total number of documentarily qualified applicants with a priority date before 15SEP13 is smaller than the total visa numbers available for Jan14, the F2A cut-off date in the Jan14 visa bulletin will advance at least one week.

I read the article on the posted link. Interesting! So once my case reaches CC, i will just wait around for Documentarily qualified petitions to dwindle so we can move on. With the rate of CC cases with PD earlier than cut-off date we have here, i am not certain that will happen a lot sooner than imagined.

Keep calling them to know or email them, My petition was approved on November 13th 2013, I email NVC on Nvember 15th and they email me back on the 15th and say

'

""dear Sir/Madam:

The NVC recently received this petition. The appropriate agent (applicant, petitioner, or attorney) will receive instructions for the further processing of this petition within 6 to 8 weeks.

they received it <now I have to wait for my case number and wait until my pd to be current before they start my case process

Nope u dont have to wait for your PD to become current. NVC will work on your case, maybe because your PD is close to being current!

Hi shadowlfex, i check my ceac but its not yet ready for me to pay. Whats the status of your ceac?

Hi Kittykait, I have just filled and submitted the form ds-261 online. I can see the Affidavit of support fee is available for payment on my own portal but unfortunately I am not the petitioner so i cannot make the payment. I will keep you updated if anything changes.

I also got my iin and case number. Pd is sept 16..

Congrats! Lets see how fast we make it to case completion

I guess it depends on what NVC calls as "qualifying date". Anyhow atleast shadowflex can get the process going since it would take some time for NVC to process the case anyway.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1309.html

USCIS Sent My Immigrant Visa Petition to the NVC. Now What Happens?

If your Priority Date meets the most recent Qualifying Date, the NVC will:

1. Invoice you for your visa application fees
2. Collect your visa application and supporting documentation
3. Hold your visa petition until an interview can be scheduled with a consular officer at a U.S. Embassy or U.S. Consulate General abroad.

If your Priority Date DOES NOT meet the most recent Qualifying Date, the NVC will notify you and hold your petition until your Priority Date meets the most recent Qualifying Date. The Department of State updates the Qualifying Dates on a monthly basis.

How Do I Know if My Priority Date Meets the Most Recent Qualifying Date? And What Does That Mean?

If your Priority Date is earlier than the Qualifying Date for your visa class and your foreign state chargeability, your Priority Date meets the most recent Qualifying Date and your petition is ready to begin processing at the NVC. Learn more by reviewing the Visa Bulletin.

How Do I Know What My Priority Date Is?

The USCIS assigned your immigrant visa petition a Priority Date when you filed it with USCIS. If you are unsure of your Priority Date, you should refer to the Approval Notice that you received from the USCIS.

Yes i am hoping by the time i make it to case completion, PD will be current.

At least i don't pull one from a hat with half baked knowledge.

Prefer to look at stuff with data (In this case data is from DOS that i posted above). :-)

Yes I quite agree with you. Most of your comments have not only been helpful but also sensible.

Congrats on getting the Case number and IIN. Keep checking the website often to see if AOS and IV bill shows up for you to pay. Watch out for the email from NVC asking you to pay AOS and IV fees.

Here is the link that i was talking about on the NVc process:

http://usinfo.org/enus/government/forpolicy/types_1309.html

"When an applicant's priority date is close to becoming current , NVC will send an Affidavit of Support (I-864 form) processing fee bill to the petitioner and an Agent of Choice and Address (DS-3032) form to the applicant. ".

I hope you get the AOS and IV bill invoices soon. Goodluck shadowflex.

Thanks vkrishn. Got the e.mails already. I will be filling out the DS-261 shortly.

Shadowflex,

Check the case completion thread. One member did get their case processed at NVC and even got case complete even though their PD is not current. PD for that member is Sep 11th, 2013. :-)

Wow speed of light! lol

Quick Update!

Spouse called NVC yesterday and Voila!!!, they handed over Case Number and Invoice Identification Number. This may be an indication that NVC does truly process cases with "about to be current PD" has presumed. I'd keep you all posted when i get more information.

Cheers

Hello all my vj friends, I know it is too early to talk about the visa bulletin for January 2014.Some of you got experience, could give me some idea for the next cut off date for January, I want to did you expect the visa bulletin will progress or not, I don't want to talk about retrogression cuz i'm afraid of it. My journey started since 2 month and my PD is 30th september.

And i did search on the internet where a lawyer stated that NVC start your process id they know your pd will be current within 2 or 3 month I would like to know is it true or not .

Thank you for your answers!!!

Hi johnnycleus,

My spouse called NVC yesterday and Voila! they gave her the case number and invoice number (she told me via sms so i dont have full details yet). Our PD is 09/09/2013 and this may mean NVC treats cases close to being current or so. Perhaps you should keep calling NVC from next week for yours too.

Cheers

Dear Shadowflex,

I really apologize for my response for your simple question, it was just my frustration, I am sorry for that. I pray and hope that you will finish this journey soon,

thanks

Kalloo

I totally understand. Apology accepted.

Guys lets remember Kalloo's petition in our prayers because when an expectation is stretched to its elastic limit, it wears out the heart.

Hi all, I read somewhere that NVC will process approved cases when the PD becomes current OR about to become current. How many months away from the current cut off can be regarded as about to become current? What happens to petitions approved in later in Sep, Oct and Nov 2013? Share if you know.

http://www.***removed***/immigrant-visa/ This is where i read it.

Kalloo,

Perhaps you had time to cool off and re-read that less-than-perfect statement and think about it.

I am not trying to make you feel bad and I have to say that I completely understand your frustration, anger and sadness but let's not wish bad things to other people that have been lucky to not deal with this awful immigration situation.

My first gut feeling after hearing about this very quick cases is to lash my anger at someone more fortunate (just like you) but let's keep a cool head we are all better than that. IT IS UNFAIR, there is no question about that, this should be first come first served but it is what it is.

I have been punching walls with every unlucky visa bulletin, cursing out loud with every day I have no news and getting depressed with every pointless checklist from NVC... I am not, in any way, better than you and I have been in very dark places these past few months dealing with this broken system but let's be supportive to each other. No one deserves to be away from their loved ones and it is a messed up system...

If you ever need to msg someone to vent or hear past experiences I am sure you would find a lot of very supportive people around.

I believe he needs anger management classes...

Sorry, but that's just an awful thing to say to somebody you don't know who has not caused any harm to you. It isn't their fault you haven't been approved yet.

God bless you, it beats me how i am connected to his ordeal.

Yes that is true. I did read online in other forums where people have got their process going with in a month of PD being current at NVC. That could also show some light on the VB movement. I wish and pray that your PD becomes current soon and NVC can start processing your case.

Let me see if i can find the link where i read about NVC processing cases whose PD could become current very soon.

When you called up NVC what did they say? Did they tell you that AOS and IV invoice will show up? or did you log in to this website with your case number and Inovice Id number to see if AOS bill is "enabled" for you to pay?

https://ceac.state.gov/CTRAC/Invoice/signon.aspx

Thanks vkrishn, you are always helpful. God bless you.

When I called NVC the first time, I was told they had received the petition from USCIS but had not been entered into the computer yet. When I called them again on monday 25th Nov, the lady that answered said the case was just entered into their system that same day and told me to give another 30 days before calling again. She didn't mention anything about Invoice ID or any number. I guess I should call them again sooner than 30 days. I have been lackadaisical about it because of the "not current" PD.

I will be delighted if you can find the link where you read about the "PD about to be current" cases

Once again, thank you!

it is so unfair and unfortunate that you got approved in 42 days and rest of us are waiting for many months. I pray that that you Priority date will not become current for at least 10 more months so you can also feel the pain of waiting like rest of us.

kalloo

I am still shocked by your response. I mean you no harm. I am sorry you have waited for eternity, or so it seems. I pray God would grant you Patience and Fortitude to bear the wait. I will try to keep you up to date with my progress, and of course I will like to know how much more you had to wait. Cheers

Hi all, I read somewhere that NVC will process approved cases when the PD becomes current OR about to become current. How many months away from the current cut off can be regarded as about to become current? What happens to petitions approved in later in Sep, Oct and Nov 2013? Share if you know.

My I-130 was approved October 29 and on November 18 I received an email with case number and fees page.. You call NVC too see if they received it

Hi

I am surprised you got approved in October and NVC has started processing your case despite PD not being current. I was approved on the 21st October and i have called NVC twice, they have the case but have not issued any case number yet. Does that mean i should expect a case number anytime soon?

Are you on FB2A? or is it a CR1?

yaoooooooo!!! my application has been approved my PD is Sept. 30, 2013 and it was assigned to VSC , can someone tell me the next step, i know I have to wait until my pd to be current.

I hope you all have your NOA2 soon

good luck to all!!!

Congrats!!!

Next step is to wait for NVC to receive your case and contact you. However there's not much they will do until your PD is current.

In my case, NVC received petition from USCIS on 4th Nov 2013 and told me when i called to count 20 days from that date for them to enter the case into their system, then they will correspond through email/postal for any update/next step.

Altogether lets pray and hope at least February Visa Bulletin will be favorable to us.

Congrats once again.

Really feel bad for you shadowflex. I understand the importance of even one day and been in the same boat during my Employment based Green card yeas back. Hope and pray date moves forward for you.

Thank you vkrishn. The December visa bulletin even predicts that the FB2A category will remain unmoved for some more months, so basically I will be looking at maybe February 2014 for a possible movement(forward or backward).

One question, what will happen to my application when it reaches NVC? Will they work on it or store it somewhere until the date becomes current?

This is really sad for people like me whose PD is 09 SEP 2013 . I wish my petition was received at least a day earlier!

Not to be a spoil sport but based on the info from USCIS website I don't think that is the case.

http://www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-processes-and-procedures/visa-availability-priority-dates

When Visa Numbers Are Not Available

If the demand is more than supply for a particular visa category or foreign state, and cannot be satisfied within the allowable limits, the Visa Office considers the preference visa category or foreign state “oversubscribed” and must impose a cut-off date.

In this instance, only overseas and adjustment applicants who have a priority date earlier than the date listed in the Visa Bulletin may be given an immigrant visa number. A visa is available to an individual, therefore, if his/her priority date is earlier than the date listed for that visa category and country. Visas are unavailable when the chart designation is “U” for unavailable.

For example, if a date of 15Sept02 is shown for individuals from China in the Family 1st preference category in the Visa Bulletin, visas are currently available for individuals with a priority date earlier than September 15, 2002.

If i go by this logic, then with Sep 8th,2013 as PD for F2A today, only applications before Sep8th, 2013 will be eligible for an immigrant VISA. I don't think that an application with a PD of Sep 8th,2013 would qualify to come under the cut off date today.

I really hope VB moves at least by a week. Have another friend of mine with a PD of Sep 10th.2013 .

Thanks vkrishn,

No you are not a spoil sport. I have read the article and i fully understand now. Just like you, i have to hope that the cut-off-date moves at least by one week to be able to accommodate us.

Thanks again.