Melo

I can't drive... but according to my Gypsy I will be taking driving lessons once I get there... and have no clue how to deal with the shift from the left hand side to the right hand side even in my head... I had learnt how to drive many years ago but a near accident put me off it for a life-time... now I will have no option it seems coz Houston does not have a decent public transport system... and the idea of driving scares me sh!tless

I worked as a voice and accent trainer for one of the larger call-centres in India... some of the calls I monitored were hysterical... so much so I kept the reports... here are some of the things said by those handling tech calls for microsoft uk...

I cannot see you hearing me

Please go ahead and answer me back

Customer: Are you in England?

Response: No but this call is

I have had a hard time keeping a straight face to tell you the truth.

Welcome back Jim; hope you and Claudeth are well

ROFL!!!

Yeah, I'd like for you to do what a million scholars have failed to do for the past 2000 years.... prove that Xianity is THE one true religion. Yes, we realize that some of the things in it are historical - which proves nothing; we have historical fiction today, too - no....we want PROOF that EVERYthing in the Bible is true.

Until you can prove that every event in the bible is true, then it is still a faith - a BELIEF - not a fact. Same with Evolution.... it's a theory, a logical possibility, not yet a fact.

Just remember that while you believe that xianity is THE true faith, there are also Hindus who believe the same thing (and their religion was here before xianity, too), as well as Muslims and others. Until people realize that they are all a BELIEF, not a fact, there will never be "Peace on Earth".

I think you have summed it up well

What a beautiful couple you make!!! Congrats

IT BE CHRISTMAS, AAAIIIIGGGHHT!!! BY ALI G

"There's this bird called Mary, yeah? She's a virgin (wossat then?)

She's not married or nuffink, but she's got this boyfriend, Joe, innit? He

does joinery an' that. Mary lives with him in a crib dahn Nazaref. One day

Mary meets this bloke Gabriel. She's like `Oo ya lookin at?' Gabriel just

goes 'You got one up the duff, you have.' Mary's totally gobsmacked. She

gives it to him large 'Stop dissin' me yeah? I ain't no Kappa-slapper. I

never bin wiv no one!' So Mary goes and sees her cousin Liz, who's six

months gone herself. Liz is largin' it. She's filled with spirits, Barcardi

Breezers an' that. She's like 'Orright, Mary, I can feel me bay-bee in

me tummy and I reckon I'm well blessed. Think of all the extra weez gonna

get on the social an' that.' Mary goes 'Yeah, s'pose you're right'

Mary an' Joe ain't got no money so they have to ponse a donkey, an' go

dahn Bethlehem on that. They get to this pub an' Mary wants to stop, yeah?

To have her bay-bee an' that. But there ain't no room at the inn, innit?

So Mary an' Joe break an' enter into this garridge, only it's filled wiv

animals. Cahs an' sheep an' that. Then these three geezers turn up,

looking proper bling, wiv crowns on their 'eads. They're like `REEESPECT!,

bay-beeJesus', an' say they're wise men from the East End. Joe goes: 'If

you're so wise, wotchoo doin' wiv this Frankenstein an' myrrh? Why dincha just

bring gold, Adidas and Burberry?' It's all about to kick off when Gabriel

turns up again an' sez he's got another message from this Lo rd geezer. He's

like 'The police is comin an' they're killin all the bay-bees. You better

nash off to Egypt.' Joe goes 'You must be monged if you think I'm goin'

dahn Egypt on a minging donkey' Gabriel sez 'Suit yerself, pal. But it's

your look out if you stay.' So they go dahn Egypt till they've stopped killin the first-born an'

it's safe an' that.

Then Joe and Mary and Jesus go back to Nazaref, an' Jesus turns water into Stella. "

ROFL!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!

I have not yet read the entire thread... just the first few pages... but I would like to say that the Bible clearly talks about the world being flat - four corners of the earth... hmmmmmmmmmmmm Galileo was condemned to spend his life under house arrest for daring to suggest that the sun was the centre of the solar system and that the earth was not flat...

Why not re-introduce the flat earth theory??? It is about as relevant as that of creation.

I plan to get a Mac once I move to the US... no more Windoze for me... I plan to learn how to use Linux... that is probably one of the safest OS ever...

Well I can't stand Yahoo... I do not use their messenger at all... the last time I upgraded it I had such massive problems the damned thing took over my puter and I had to reformat my hdd thanks to the inability to reverse all that it did... now if I want to log in to yahoo I use miranda... neat little software that is.

She may not be right for them but Josh is certainly not right either... she will go eventually... but you have to admit she does put on quite a show... and I guess for that reason alone she stays... I think Jill is gonna go before Zayra... but we shall see.

I think Jill should go... but I rather like Patrice... but Zayra, Patrice and Jill will go soon... Ryan and Josh have shown that they do have what it takes though... prefer Ryan to Josh... but Magni, Dilana and Lukas are definitely star material.

Happy birthday Stina

Basically you think it is your right to run people down to trash people and to be nasty using it is "your opinion" to do just that... I am more than capable of standing up to you Lisa... I am not cowering in fear - or running away scared of what you and your clique have to say... you don't like what I have said and and have labelled me a hypocrite and another of your cronies calls me insufferable... you think it is your god-damned right to sit in judgement... perhaps you should tell the uscis that you could do a better job than they can and you don't need the info they ask for... all you need is a paragraph on which to base your judgement... what you want is a yes person who agrees with your stance... and ####### the rest... I will never be that... never was and never will be... I can stand up to bullies... so go right ahead and say whatever you wish... indulge in some character assassination too... would not put that past you. After all I am enemy no. 1 now... I actually dared to say what's what... and it is a what's what that you don't like... Again call me anything you want I don't give a flying **... but stop trampling on newbies who can't fight back... who are intimidated by you...

Hey you know how would you like it if I said your man is only after a green card... who knows... maybe he is... that is a risk all of you run - like it or not... loads of people want to make it to the USA from countries that you consider allies and not high-fraud countries...

it not for the fact that she loves her man she would not continue with the visa process

Ummm...what? So her lack of support here might make her abandon the visa process? ####### is that??

Melo- I really would love to hear your response to the wife/gf thread which you have avoided mentioning. honestly - with your telling us how we aren't supportive enough - SHOULD WE SUPPORT THAT kind of post? and if so...or if not - how do we determine who we should abnd shouldnt support.

That post was ridiculous and the bloke accepted he was just seeking attention... so to compare that to this is surprising... I maintain that what we need here is a supportive environment where people don't feel trampled on... like I said it is not necessary to be nasty... if you find something distasteful as I did the post you have mentioned, just ignore it...

Like you did my posts yesterday?

hrmmmm......How's the air quality up there on that pedestal?

I did not ignore your posts coz they were directed at people who you basically trashed... and that is simply not on... cut the ####### about pedestal... if i were such an angel I would have phrased my words to you in the most diplomatic of language... I chose not to... perhaps coz I felt it time you got a dose of your own medicine.

it not for the fact that she loves her man she would not continue with the visa process

Ummm...what? So her lack of support here might make her abandon the visa process? ####### is that??

Melo- I really would love to hear your response to the wife/gf thread which you have avoided mentioning. honestly - with your telling us how we aren't supportive enough - SHOULD WE SUPPORT THAT kind of post? and if so...or if not - how do we determine who we should abnd shouldnt support.

That post was ridiculous and the bloke accepted he was just seeking attention... so to compare that to this is surprising... I maintain that what we need here is a supportive environment where people don't feel trampled on... like I said it is not necessary to be nasty... if you find something distasteful as I did the post you have mentioned, just ignore it...

Alas you seem to think that asking you to be polite and leave out words that are judgemental such as gold-digger and green-card seeker is asking you not to express an opinion... sad that you think that way... Do you even realise what an impact you have on all who come to this forum and read the nasty accusations you level? I am not going to tell you the name of the person who sent me a pm (not the OP) - but she basically said to me that given the manner in which people are treated here she feels discouraged and were it not for the fact that she loves her man she would not continue with the visa process... I find that a very sad thing... that far from finding support here that people feel discouraged. This community has been so supportive and caring of me... there are people I will always feel indebted to for the manner in which they were there for me - I include Lorelle, JayLen, JayJay, Nayalamb, welshie, Tracy, Gwen, Dean, Arijit, Jamie and Vipul, and so many others, too numerable for me to list... I find it tragic that this same community has become so lacking in support to others.

Luckily I know you're not talking to me, since I've never used the words Gold-digger or green-card seeker, although it would seem so from your post.

Nasty accusations I level?

Are you reading the same replies that I am?

And I see you even played the "PM Card"....how nice. Oh yeah? Well I've received 839.2 PMs from people telling me that they want to leave VJ because you're so insufferable.

VJ Sheesh

This was meant to be a general statement not directed at any one person. Insufferable eh?? Well you know what??? I could not care less what you and the others who think that feel... if to stand up for those people who you trample on/trash makes me insufferable... well I delight in that.

Alas you seem to think that asking you to be polite and leave out words that are judgemental such as gold-digger and green-card seeker is asking you not to express an opinion... sad that you think that way... Do you even realise what an impact you have on all who come to this forum and read the nasty accusations you level? I am not going to tell you the name of the person who sent me a pm (not the OP) - but she basically said to me that given the manner in which people are treated here she feels discouraged and were it not for the fact that she loves her man she would not continue with the visa process... I find that a very sad thing... that far from finding support here that people feel discouraged. This community has been so supportive and caring of me... there are people I will always feel indebted to for the manner in which they were there for me - I include Lorelle, JayLen, JayJay, Nayalamb, welshie, Tracy, Gwen, Dean, Arijit, Jamie and Vipul, and so many others, too numerable for me to list... I find it tragic that this same community has become so lacking in support to others.

I believe that the OP was trying to find out whether it is the norm...

You know in India it is the norm to provide a dowry (no matter that it is illegal for the bloke's family to make demands)... so let's say my Paul wants to know more about it and posts a question about dowry - would that make him a gold-digger???

Also, we need to take into consideration the fact that though many may speak English rather well there are nuances to the language that they don't pick up and therefore phrase a question in a manner which may imply something quite different from what was intended.

Geezer and Steve I thank you for giving us this understanding of the Phillipines. It merely re-confirms the point I was trying to make which is that we should not be so quick to judge.

I must tell you what my Paul said after reading this thread: he said that anyone who is applying for a fiance visa could be in that same situation... so by calling someone a gold-digger after a green-card so on and so forth... and just coz someone has a fiance from the west does not indicate that they are not after the green-card... so think before you say something... who knows the situation could apply to you too.

For those who feel the OP is having problems with explaining herself, I suggest they go back and read all her posts. Why is is SHE is the one doing all the research for getting a visa, and not her USC SO? Yes, I realize there are a lot of people on VJ who are not the USC, and have to do most of the work, which is something I still don't understand, but they aren't here asking how much money they should be getting from their bf either!

I find it even more interesting that for a while this thread focused on whether or not the wife would stay home and not work. During all that time, the OP didn't make a peep, other than to support Gary, because on another thread, she had already made her intentions clear.

hello everyone just want to ask...

1) #32 on Ds-156, it says do you intend to work in the US? my answer is Yes , but don't have employer yet, what would put in the box?

2) # 33 on Ds-156, do you intend to study in the US? i would answer that a Yes too, but don't have school name yet.. what would i put in the box? Some say, just put NO as an answer because it might just conflict with your real purpose in arriving in the US that is to marry your fiance.. so i just put NO? it won't matter if my answer is NO on the form but pursue my studies once i get to the US?

thank you, looking forward to replies - aix

Things that make you go hmmmmmm...

Robert, there are some completely legitimate concerns and points made and that was never my beef with this thread. It was the nature in which some people resorted to nasty insults toward her that play up to the stereotype of a young Filipina looking for an Americano to take care of her. Hell, we could start talking about all kinds of visa stereotypes - the foreign man looking for a green card, etc. Yes, there is fraud everywhere - if someone wants to say the Philippines is high with fraud, well so are other countries, but I wouldn't dare to insult or question the legitimacy of those Americans who have fiance's from there.

Why not ask her to get her fiance to join this site and let's get his perspective. Ask her more questions, and of course don't hesitate to have hard hitting questions provided you do so with some decency and respect.

On the flip side of what you just quoted... America is considered a land of opportunity. In many countries, financial mobility is nearly impossible if you are born into poverty. I think it's legitimate for a foreigner to think about the opportunities of living in America that they otherwise wouldn't have. Now the question is whether that has had such an influence into the OP's intent to marry this American. So really what everyone is questioning is whether she sincerely loves him or not. We've got to assume that the guy's got a head on his shoulders and has the capacity to think. Otherwise, nothing you can say to his foreign fiancee is going to save him if she is fraudulent.

This is what I feel too... and I am sorry for what I said to you earlier Robert... I have been reacting...

With regard to the research bit... I have done most of the research work for Paul and me... that is primarily coz I am more of a doer and not a procrastinator. I would like to do some academics too when I am in the USA; I do not see anything wrong in that...

I just feel that we, as a whole can be more respectful and caring of others who join VJ... some may be fraudsters... but as long as you are not providing anyone with information to do something illegal which is clearly not on... other than thatt your suspicions will remain just that - suspicions... and you don't have to answer questions you feel are from people you have doubts about... but to answer them calling someone a gold-digger and suggesting that it is all for the green card... is assuming that the USCIS is incompetent and that the USC is a retard incapable of thinking for himself.

I think we need to be more careful with what we say... if you have nothing constructive to say at least don't be offensive.

Further, let me tell you if I was in the position that this young lady was in I would have probably done exactly what she did... but you don't know how she is feeling inside... she must have felt so small and cheap with the accusations running riot here... but she chose not to run from them... does that make her a fraudster... no not in my eyes...

Your style of vernacular and choice of words would be no different when talking to a friend vs. a stranger (in this case someone from another country)? A friend understands you, knows your style and where you are coming from. I don't think any of us here actually talk to a stranger in the same way we do to our friends. So often (and here on VJ is a perfect example), people misunderstand each other. It behooves us to keep that in mind when we are reading what they say - that perhaps the way you understand it isn't the way they meant it.

Aye, but Steven, this is a US based message board, written in English, for people trying to get visas to come to the UNITED STATES. Sooner or later, they will have to understand the way Americans are, and how English is spoken. It is not for me to understand what everyone from every other country means since I am not trying to go to their country.

Stranger or not... my advice is my advice, my opinion is my opinion. I don't tailor it for diffent people or different countries.

It is a message board to provide assistance to those trying to get visas to go to the United States. Yes it is written in English; but I have to say this Robert, that I am surprised at the arrogance of your remark "It is not for me to understand what everyone from every other country means since I am not trying to go to their country."

So you would not take into account a person's cultural background??? Wow!!! That is an eye-opener!!!

I find myself sick to the stomach at the attitudes of some here... but hey the good thing is I don't have to live with people of such ilk!!!

I do not have a different set of rules... the fact of the matter is you based your judgeent on one paragraph.. I have based mine on the last few months of your posts... perhaps that is really not the way you are... perhaps you are different in "real life" as against this virtual reality... I would not know... nor do I care to know.

The point I was trying to make which of course has eluded you - is this - you don't have to be nasty... if someone had treated you the way you treat newbies you would not be here today.

As for Michelle - she was a nice person - never had a nasty word to say to anyone... so what if she was a drama queen??? Everyone can be that way... oooooooops I forgot I am talking to the perfect being who never does, says or thinks anything that could be wrong.

If saying what I have to you makes me a hypocrite then I am glad to be one...

I don't plan on responding to your next post... but there remains the possibility that I won't be able to resist.

You have no accused me of visa fraud... but you have the OP... yes I am harsh... this is not about me... this is about attitudes... the manner in which people are treated... if you can't see it then well... there is none so blind as he or she that does not want to see...

You are entitled to your opinions - it is when you state your opinions as if they are the gospel truth that I have a problem... you say it is frauid therefore it is... what do you base your judgement on one badly constructed paragraph... you feel that it is enough to base your judgement on... you do not think there could be any other motive other than she is a gold digger seeking a green card... I find that presumptuous and judgemental...

You did not like what I said about some Americans... hmmmmmmmmmmmm and I don't think I'm too good to be an American national... I am just not American and nothing in the world will make me one...

I recall how you treat your friends too... Lisa... those "friends" who were hurt to the point where they left... so yeah you do know how to be caring and supportive.

I state again I could not care less what you think of me... just coz you have called me a hypocrite doe not make me one... though since you seem to believe you speak with the kind of moral authority of the gospels I am sure you believe that it is the truth.

You know I don't really care what you think of me Lisa... call me a hypocrite, accuse me of visa fraud... it rolls off my back... VJ has changed... it is no longer a supportive, caring community. It has turned into a judgemental one and one where "Oh look I have found another fraudster, ain't I great!!!" I am fed up with the nastiness. Others have left VJ coz of this - I am not going to leave... coz of some people here that are my friends...

I never wanted to even visit the USA... and it is coz of this I'm better than you, self-righteous attitude that so many people have... not all or I would not be moving to the USA to marry an American... I will never become an American national - that is for sure. I know many Americans that do not fit this mold - but the ones that do sicken me... just like George W Bush does.