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Does anyone know why the information about what is required evidence differs between the "M-477" checklist and the N-400 Instruction for Application sheet? 

The "Instructions for Application" clearly states that you should "Bring the following items to your interview if you are applying for naturalization on the basis of your marriage to a U.S. citizen" And then proceeds to list (and I quote): (1) Evidence of spouse's citizenship, (2) Evidence of the termination of all your prior marriages; and (3) Evidence that you and your spouse have lived in marital union for at least 3 years at the time you file your Form N-400. Such evidence may include: (a) Joint bank and credit card statements; (b) Leases or mortgages; (c) Birth certificates of children; (d) Insurance policies; and (e) Internal Revenue Service (IRS)-certified copies of the income tax forms that you and your spouse filed for the past 3 years (or an IRS tax return transcript for the last 3 years).

The "Checklist" lists the same documents but states that you should "Send copies of the following items" and then lists what to "send" if you are applying on the basis of marriage. 

So which is it? Send it in - or take it to the interview.  I know it might seem like "well why not just send it, since you have to eventually have it anyway"?  But sending those documents requires a fair amount of gathering work before would submit our application (which is ready to go right now, minus those additional evidences).   Anyway, we'll survive - but its frustrating to not have clear info all around. 

Thank you Cheezees for the reply.  I actually have gone through that document checklist and the instructions several times - but they are different, which is why I am asking for clarification.  On the page link you provided their are several links.

In this link: (Instructions for Form N-400 (PDF, 260 KB) on page 10 of the instructions It says to include only the following "required" evidence with the application: photographs(but only if you don't live on the U.S.), a copy of the greencard, a copy of your marriage certificate, and then another form if you are military - and we are not.  It then instructs you to bring spouse's birth certificate, joint account info, tax forms and other proofs to your interview.  But again, it does not say to include these evidences with your N-400 application form.

But this link: (Document Checklist, Current Fees, Naturalization Eligibility Worksheet (PDF, 495 KB) says you should also send in (suggesting it should be sent with the application) proof of the spouses citizenship, and "documents referring to you and your spouse" - and lists "suggested" documents including joint bank account info, mortgage info, a child's birth certificate, tax transcripts etc.

So which one is correct?  The instructions or the checklist? 

Hi all,

So my husband came to the U.S. on a K-1 Visa and now has his 10 year greencard.  He has been a permanent resident now for 3 1/2 years so I know we are okay to apply for citizenship.  My question is regarding evidence to be submitted with the N-400 form.  From what I read in the N-400 information, most of the evidence of our marriage and life together would be brought to the interview - right ?  

And so am I correct in understanding that the only thing we need to submit(mail) with the N-400 form is:

- our $725 fee,

- a copy of his greencard,

- and a copy of our marriage certificate?

And that's all?

Sorry, I am just so used to sending in piles of evidence with the application that I just feel like I need to be sure I am understanding this correctly! 

RUDE. Don't bother responding to people on here. No one wants to hear your mouth.

And your comment was nice?

Perhaps it would be wise not to read "rudeness" into people who are actually trying to be helpful. Pointing out that when it comes to interview questions, a sincere personal story is better than a canned, pre-scripted response for "red flag" issues isn't rude...its actually helpful.

When I started this process I asked my lawyer if we should just try to get my husband a visitor visa and then get married while he was here in the US. She very quickly responded to me "Well that would be fraud, and if USCIS realize you did that intentionally, he could get banned for 10+ years...bad idea!" But guess what, because we weren't trying to commit fraud, I didn't take it personal. I didn't get angry and accuse her of being "disgustingly RUDE" because she mentioned the word "fraud." I didn't feel threatened because I knew it wasn't fraud. I actually appreciated the info and we moved forward successfully.

No need to create drama with accusations. Romet is a big boy - he can stand up for himself (an did) - and we all wish him and his fiance the best. And I stand by my first recommendation. Worry about correctly compiling all the evidence you have to submit. For genuine relationships, the interview is a breeze.

Hello All,

As a newbie myself to this process and reading all the different posts I'm a little confused as to how one is supposed to use this forum. It actually amazes me how many times the word "fraud" has been used in this thread. Maybe I'm more an optimist than the "system" others on here would allow me to be but Romet I think you should just TELL YOUR STORY. Your story is not going to be like anyone else's. I don't see what others here see.. I see you being very nervous and want to make sure all of your ducks are in a row and what to expect in these interviews so you can successfully get to the women you love.

If you're asked in the interview questions regarding your courtship..... TELL THEM THE TRUTH. Meaning.. it sounds to me like when you met her she was "finished" with her marriage and awaiting her pending divorce to be final. You also mentioned she was literally separated from the previous marriage/relationship for 6 years. I also read in a previous post you wrote that you hired or spoke to an visa preparation agency or lawyer (sorry I can't remember exactly which) that actually told you that was a red flag (she "technically" not be completely divorced during your courtship) in the MENA regions. It also seems like you only ask questions regarding your red flags. WHICH IS FINE. I totally understand that. I THOUGHT that's WHAT we ARE supposed to do here on VJ. It's a very unsettling thing when something so simple to you can be seen so subjectively.

I do not want to give my opinion or try to speak to the validity of your relationship but going back to the issue you're SPECIFICALLY inquiring about. I don't think that this is what this type of advice forum (VJ) should be about. It should be about supplying advice or helpful answers to best try to help the poster relieve the stresses of all the difference visa processes we ALL are going through or have gone through.

So, my advice: The best thing is to TELL THE TRUTH. Tell them YOUR story ... Knowing YOUR OWN HEART is what should ultimately guide you through the entire interview. From different posts I've read here, it's a hit or miss. It will just depend. So speak with your fiancee and come up make sure you're comfortable answering the question the way YOU see fit. Make sure your answer is confident, truthful, and speak from your heart.

You said you have plenty of evidence and you're love IS genuine. That's all I need to know and hope we can contribute in a positive and helpful way to get you to your fiancee as soon as possible. God willing that is really all you need. "When you believe if your purpose, nothing can stand in your way". Think positive and good vibes sent your way.

Cheers

Hi Ronnie...

Not sure how your advice to the OP was different than mine?....In fact you even re-stated some of the very things I, and others, pointed out....like speaking honestly and truthfully and trusting in the truth of your relationship. The only real difference was that I commented on how the OP has created several threads, all asking questions that hint at him worrying about "beating the system." And I did not accuse him of that, I merely pointed out that the questions he's posing are a little too focused on how to evade, or how to get around things (and he has since corrected me as to what he meant.)

And while its true we all have concerns about the process, sometimes the specific concerns someone has can be a window into the reality of their situation. I can honestly say I wasn't the slightest concerned about my husbands interview....and Casablanca is a tough consulate. But I felt like of all places, the interview was the chance for them to see and feel the sincerity of our story - much more than all the dumb paperwork. And sure enough, he didn't hit a single bump in his interview. And we didn't practice questions or go over answers or any of that nonsense....he knew all the right answers because our relationship was real and we genuinely knew about each other. End of story.

The forum is a place to seek help - but if the help you seek is how to evade certain questions in an interview, you are asking for people to be skeptical of your motives. Many sincere people come here asking for help for a wide range of reasons. But who this forum is meant for, and who uses it is out of our control. "High Fraud" countries are labeled that for a reason. And any creep can prowl the internet for any reason, pretending to anyone. That being said, I don't think Romet is a "creep" - I think he's just focused on things he doesn't need to worry about if his relationship is real. Thats all.

Again, my advice to the OP was the same as yours...so you can climb down off the high horse. The OP did share more of his story, and clarified a little more of what he meant by the questions he was asking....and I'm sure he and his fiance will be just fine. But I would still encourage him to focus more on the mounds of evidence to be gathered and paperwork he has to do. Because the inadequate and incomplete paperwork/evidence causes WAY more people to be denied than any of the things he's worrying about. As I said, and as you said, and as many others in these forums have said, in an effort to calm the fears of rejection...if you have a real relationship, and you prepare your application well, and you are honest, things will fall into place and it will all work out.

Wow Romet,

Your recent posts suggest you are awfully worried about the questions you're going to get, and how to avoid them...

And I'm not gonna lie, you being so worried seems like a little bit of red flag in an of itself. If you try to "get away" from questions, or try to have pre-planned "good" answers, you're going to look a whole lot more fake than your relationship may actually be.

All relationships are different, no one is going to have your same story exactly because they are not you and your fiance. A good starting place for ALL your concerns might be to make sure you are in this for the right reasons. If you are, then relax. As others have expressed, you'll get through the toughest interviews because your relationship is real. You should be more worried about compiling all the evidence of your relationship....and trust that the interview will go well because you know and love your fiance. Take it from those of us who know.

Explaining how your relationship developed is a very personal and important part of your story. That includes all the circumstances both of you were in. It should be unique and genuine and the truth, not some answer someone else told you was a good way to "get away" from questions like that. How it "looks," and whether its "normal" or "a red flag" means nothing if your story is honest and sincere. Seriously. It may or may not come up, but either way, just explain and you'll be fine.

Its seems like maybe you don't think "love" is enough...and it's not...you've got tons of paperwork and evidence to compile. But if your relationship is real, the interview questions should be the least of your worries. Good luck!

Good luck. A person should not be judged by who they sleep with and everyone in America should enjoy equal protection under the law.

Does that include my marrying a second or third husband?

Thanks so much! You are very helpful. Do they ask about your parents or even get your parents involved in the immigration process? Sorry so many questions just going through my head now.

In the consulate interview, they asked my husband what my parents names are, and what they do for a living. But nothing more. My father offered an affidavit regarding our relationship since he happened to be able to go to Morocco and meet my husband on one of my visits pre-application. But that was the only way my parents were involved. And there was nothing about his parents, and no involvement on their part. Algeria may be different than Morocco though.

And don't worry about questions. I remember not even knowing you needed a marriage visa and once we started talking marriage and where we would live, I was just thinking that he'd come as a visitor to America and we'd get married and live happily ever after. It was my parents who suggested I talk to a lawyer to make sure we did it right. My first meeting with her was free and she kinda laid out the whole thing - and I realized what a big deal it was to get a visa in the first place. Its crazy and questions are good

Thanks everyone, will it be any legal consequences, because of the letter of intent of marriage with 90 days? What is if the fiancee decided to say in the States on her own?

Its not an option for someone on a fiance visa to "stay on their own" in the U.S. After 90 days the visa expires and you are illegal. So yes, the legal consequences are possible jail, deportation....and of course you can't work legally because you will not get a social security number. You probably wouldn't be able to even rent an apartment because technically you don't exist. It would be a hard lonely, risky road Someone who tries to stay in the U.S. after a K-1 "doesn't work it," is going to look a lot like visa fraud to the U.S....and no one likes visa fraud. But the USC is not liable for the illegal actions of a K-1 visa-over-stayer

So I thought a lawyer was awesome for the K-1. I didn't have a clue where to start and she did it all. We have done the rest of steps and applications on our own and been fine, and sometimes I think we could have done the K-1 okay on our own. But I also think the other applications have been doable because we had a model application to look at. It was a couple thousand for the lawyer, but worth it for us. A good lawyer will know what the consulates want and how to make the process smooth. But they are pricey.

As for skype records, I think its tricky, and that's why our lawyer actually didn't use our skype stuff. She said that the nature of skype is not very concrete, meaning, you could be anyone and it just doesn't prove much. Whereas phone records are tied to real people with accounts and names etc. We also texted multiple times a day, everyday, and we printed all those records off through my account. He would call me and my cell phone records showed those calls...I can't remember exactly how we got those records, but I think it was just online in my account history. I also had an international phone card that also showed the records of the time and date of every time I called him. She also had us submit emails, but not every email, just a monthly sampling that showed our ongoing contact.

There was other stuff, affidavits, letters telling our story etc. But her big focus was our in-person meeting evidence: Plane ticket info, receipts from stores & restaurants, train tickets etc. So when you do make that first visit - keep ALL that stuff. And take lots of pictures of you in "landmark" kinds of places that show you together in noticeable locations....not just selfies of you close up, that kind of thing. And don't forget you have to have proof of a solid income to be his "sponsor." I'm a teacher so I was just barely okay, but you have to make above a certain amount or you'll also need to find somene else to "sponsor" him when he comes to the US. And you'll compile all this stuff into your application along with a million other forms and things required on his end. Its kind of overwhelming.

Sorry I'm getting ahead of myself and telling you more than you asked. But I just hate the immigration process !! You just want to be together and you have to jump through all these hoops and pay all this money and wait and wait and wait. However, in the end - so worth it to be together!

Hi Saicho,

On the advice of a lawyer, my husband and I applied for a fiance visa. Our lawyer explained that it would allow us to be together sooner (even if maybe only by a few months). Of course it also meant a few more steps after he got to America, which I think ended up costing more. But we were together in America and married about 6 months after applying....so we breezed through the notoriously tough Casablanca. I know people who did the "marry first" then apply for a visa route, that have spent well over a year apart because of all the red tape. Or sometimes they spend years living in the other country. I think a lot of it comes down to how strong your "case" is as far as immigration is concerned. And trust me, they won't just take you word for it that you love each other

To be honest, I think if you have never met in person, you will find some tough challenges in getting either visa. Regardless of how much you genuinely love each other (and I am sure you do) the consulate wants to see tangible, physical evidence that you have had a chance to develop a legitimate relationship. And unfortunately, all the skype chats in the world will probably not be proof enough for them. In fact our lawyer said skype/video chat evidence is not considered "strong" and is seen as weak evidence of a relationship. Phone calls are better, but "in-person" is the only concrete evidence. And again, we breezed through process with her help and advice so I think it was pretty good.

My husband and I met in Morocco while I was traveling, and from there we started a long distance correspondence. And I returned twice to Morocco to visit him before we even thought to apply for a visa. I was totally in love with him after out first meeting, but I'm glad we didn't do anything to rash. And because of that, we ended up unintentionally building a solid case that our relationship was real....because it was . And now we have been happily married for 3 years.

Although you will likely find success stories of all situations, if you want a solid visa "case" the more in-person interaction the better. And that doesn't lesson the truth about how you feel now, it just means you understand the USCIS system you are about to get totally sucked into. And I know its highly un-romantic to talk about "building a case" - but when you love someone from another country its kind of part of the deal.

As for going to Algeria - you are wise to be cautious. Travel in foreign country is always something to be prepared for, and traveling alone as a woman is different and can be scary of you don't speak the language etc. Isn't there a way he can meet you in Algiers, pick you up at the airport, and travel with you? Or maybe you both just stay in Algiers on your first visit? Even though I had been traveling solo in Morocco when we met, my husband traveled 12 hours by bus and taxi to pick me up the airport on my second, and all other visits. I think you want to feel like he is investing as much as you to make it happen. You make that international trip, and the moment you touchdown in his country its his turn to take care of you. But if thats not an option, I suppose you just take that leap of faith and make the full trip alone because he's worth it!

Either way, I think although you are in love, you have to understand the nature of the immigration beast, and the more you know, the better your chances of avoiding an even longer and lonelier, frustrating separation. Cheers!

OK.

However, one cannot deny that most of the time, being so-called anti-Israel is just a fig leaf for anti-Semites to "safely" spout their propaganda.

Actually one can deny that. I do. Its ridiculous to say that someone cannot be opposed to the actions of a country and its oppression of a people without be called antisemitic. If Israelis were Christian, I would still be outraged at the whole thing, from the Zionist movement of the 1940's, to the slaughter of hundreds of civilians in recent weeks. Sorry but it has nothing to do with antisemitism, and has to do with being anti-oppression.

I suppose by your logic because I am outraged at the black skinned Hutu's for their attempted genocide of the Tutsi in Rwanda, then I am racist. I mean the Hutu's are black, so my anger at their behavior is just a "fig leaf" for my propaganda racism against blacks right? Give me a break.

Some people are just anti-bullies, anti-war, anti-kicking people out of their homes because you want to settle there, anti-senseless killing in the name of self defense....no hidden antisemitic agenda....just anti-Israel.

Nothing justifies directing your anger at Jews living in France, Germany, the US or elsewhere, some of whom might not even be supportive of Israel, only for being Jewish.

On this point I do agree with you. But I still disagree with saying that "We are not anti-Jews, just anti Israel" is a myth.

Sadly I think most people are fairly uninformed on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and I think most Americans feel that they would be accused of anti-semitism if they expressed any negative sentiments about Israel. And I think your post is the kind of thing that perpetuates the "myth" that being anti-Israel is nothing more than disguised antisemitism. Again, obviously people shouldn't target Jews in general when they are angry about whats happening in Israel. I totally agree with you on that.

But I do think that, what we could call, "antisemitism mongering" is doing a great injustice to the cause of the Palestinians. Nobody wants to be "Hitler" - and accusations like yours make people scared to oppose Israel. I think people are even afraid to attempt to inform themselves, because any real or even perceived opposition to the cause of Israel is immediately tagged as antisemitism. And of course, you can site many lengthy articles proving your point, but its the attitude about opposition to Israel that is a slippery slope to me.

The mere comparison says alot...

The point is not that everyone who criticizes Israel is anti semitic. Believe it or not there are many things I, too, criticize Israel for.

The point is there are also many people who jump on the bandwagon and use it as an excuse, hence the new anti semitism. And the people like you, who do it for the right reasons it seems - should denounce those people and not stick their head in the sand and claim it does not exist, because it does, and it is not just a small group doing it.

The purpose of the comparison was to illustrate that there is a wide range of oppression that I think is wrong. I mention the Nazi's to re-enforce that I am not antisemitic.

At any rate, I denounce anti-semitism of course, but the tricky thing here is that the very foundation of the creation of the state of Israel is based on a religious claim. So it does not shock me that some people direct their anger at what is happening towards the religion. The state of Israel and the Jewish faith are inextricably tied together. So how does one express anger at Israel's actions, without in part, being angry at the Jewish belief that the land is essentially their "God-given" right. Its tricky.

But I even would venture to say that you could even disagree with that Jewish claim and religious belief without being anti-semitic. I think calling all these actions anti-semitic is like people saying that anyone who hates Obama, hates black people. Obviously its different, but I just feel like writing it all off as blatant antisemitism is unfair. I think there are a lot of people outraged at recent events, and the whole historical takeover of Palestine. So, I don't know. I don't condone attacks on religion, but unfortunately, because in this instance Israel the Judaism are so closely woven together, and just don't how there wouldn't be some overlap.

The hypocrisy is that all this killing and all this carnage we see today is because all three religions, that worship the one and very same god, can't agree on which one follows god's commandments the best. We live in a planet where the exsitence of our species is based on disagreement over how a fairy tale is told and interpreted. We are a sad, sad race.

I disagree. The carnage and killing we see today has very little to with religion. It has to do with the selfish actions of a very small percentage of the world's humans population. Oh yes, people have always used religion to justify their actions. But it is always a distortion of what the religion actually teaches. Not one of the "Big 3" you mentioned really and truly teach people to destroy others. Extremist in all religions have interpreted the various scripture and texts to mean what they want it to mean. But the religions themselves actually teach quite the opposite.

I'm sure it makes one feel quite superior to call God a "fairytale" - but in reality, the notion of "God" has actually been a driving force for more good in the world, than evil. But if you rely in the internet for your info, of course you will get the most salacious and notorious descriptions of human behavior associated with religion. But again, it is a distorted perception of religion.

We are not a sad race. The news paints a sad story, but if you actually leave the wonderful worldwide web and travel in the real world, and see the human race in action, I think you would be shocked at how many people are leaving good and happy peaceful lives. Even though the news tells us otherwise, the reality is, there is much more goodness in the world...and much of it is because of the billions of good people who believe that wacky fairytale about God, and are striving for goodness that religion teaches.

Peace

I am no Jew lover.....not really a jew hater either....but I have never understood why Jews are so hated?

For the most part they seem to just want to be left alone. How many times do you read about Jewish terrorist plots?

Now the Muslims.....it would be better for this world if they were all in heaven tomorrow.

Look what we can give them

I understand why they do things to make people want to kill them.

They must lay awake at night thinking' What can I do to get my hands on those virgins?'

Guess what, It might be better if ignorant people who make ignorant comments, and irrational and erroneous generalizations of entire religions, were the ones "in heaven tomorrow." I think the world could use less of those kinds of people.

I am not anti-Jew. I am anti- MANY of Israel's militant actions of late, and the whole "Zionist" movement/ takeover of Palestine in general. I disagree with it - but I don't hate Jews. It's not a myth. And all the propaganda in the world is not going to make me believe that I am really anti-Jew because its not true, and I know it.

My point. People can disagree with the actions of Israel without hating Jews. I know, it much easier to throw out "anti-semitism" because then people who oppose Israel seem like the evil Nazi's of old. But as a human being, I oppose the oppression of other human beings. I abhor what the Nazi's did to the Jews historically, and I abhor what the Israelis are dong to the Palestinians today.

So I'm just curious - In general, do those in favor of giving gay and lesbian adults the right to marriage in all states, also support the idea of giving everyone the right to polygamy? And I mean polygamy between adults....Sister Wives polygamy, not creepy Warren Jeffs Polygamy. And just curious about specific reasons why or why not...

There are two distinct streams of criticism of the current situation on display here:

1) The current system is flawed and needs to be fixed (insert posited (in)complete solution, with political tinge); and

2) WHY ARE THEY GETTING THEIRS WHEN I HAD TO WAITTTTTTT

Illegal and legal immigration are apples and oranges. Anyone who says he or she should have had their beloved just traipse across the border is wishing that that loved one should live a life in the shadows, without the privileges and protections of legal residency. Just so you could have them here months sooner. Really? Is it worth that much to you to have their physical presence sooner that you would jeopardize their status, and subject them to a ban?

Questions.

The moral high ground you stand on may be a bit out of reach for some us....but, I suppose we have to try. For starters, I'm not sure how the immigration "flaws" could be solved without a political "tinge"...kinda how the whole America, laws, government thing works.

And yes, I get that life a a legal immigrant is preferred - of course. But sadly, few privileges and protections are being denied - beyong the vague threat of being deported. But if people actually feared that, we wouldn't have millions of illegals. And when illegal immigrants sign their kids up for school, or head to the hospital to give birth for free, they are hardly "living in the shadows." I know, I'm sure there are heart tugging tales about "living in the shadows"....but, you made your bed right...so lie in it.

Its not apples and oranges. Thats like saying there should be a different application of laws for people who have already committed a crime...I mean, the murder has been done already, so why bother filling up the jails...too messy...too expensive...too complicated. If a law is made, then it must apply to all equally. Again, kinda the whole America, constitution, rule of law thing we supposedly have going on here. Illegal immigration is illegal. End of story. Solution: enforce the law. Expensive? Yeah. Could take decades? Yeah. People gonna get hurt? Sure. But a country where laws can suddenly not apply to some...scary. America continues to work hard to reach that ideal, and I don't think there is any justification for taking such a troubling leap backwards.

We can all be apples. But in order to to have a happy healthy orchard, we need to follow the laws of growing apples. We can't expect a stray apple, tossed over the fence to bloom and blossom in the orchard. Clear out the stray apples, and send them through the correct processes so they can grow and live their lives "out of the shadows." But don't expect amnesty to turn all those stray apples into a blloming orchard. I think you are missing the point.

And yes that answer is so obvious it's painful. So ask yourself. why is my right wing conservative values Republican congressman writing a letter to the President instead of introducing that Legislation The answer is sooooooo Obvious

So obvious and so frustrating I want to scream!

Instead of bickering like children or US politicians how about "We the People" or at least those of us here in this thread on VJ, start to come up with some rational ideas on the subject of immigration.

Stop the name calling and use the 7 or so pounds of fat in our heads to come up with some new ideas.

I hear "We need to secure the Border". What does that actually mean to us? Which border are we talking about? From what I have read and seen here and other places, most people mean the Mexican border.

Next maybe some real suggestions on how to handle the 1000's of children here already. How we handle their needs until a resolution becomes apparent.

All I see on these threads is name calling and party lines. I do enjoy a childish argument as the rest of you lot, but come America lets show the world we can take care of business and that we are not bottom feeding,gun totting slack jawed yokels who have not managed to get past the third grade.

The "thousands of children" that are here already are not poor little lone orphans in need of love. They are being picked up by other illegal or legal family members. I'm sure there are exceptions - but the the facts are the vast majority have illegal family already here....and they can come pick them up...and that was the plan all along. So what do we "do with them?" We kindly return them to the governments of their own home countries to take care of. Its not that complicated. Then maybe their government can decide what to "do with them." I do believe that some are refugees, but refugees can come through legally.

The only way I see to "secure the border" is a government crackdown on businesses that are hiring illegal immigrants. (and yes I REFUSE to use the new "undocumented" bs!) And not putting off deportations. SEND THEM HOME! Its not complicated. The Pres just ask for billions to house and feed this most recent boom of people....how about billions to actually send them home.

Every parent, teacher, and adult in the united states knows that unless you actually follow your own rules and follow through on the consequences, you completely lose control. I'm a teacher, and I can tell you - its HARD to follow through on my policies. Last year I got relaxed on following through on my "no cell phone" policy. But mid-year the problem was out of control. And no amount of threatening changed that. In previous years where I have followed through, it hasn't been much of an issue at all.

Rather than "fixing" immigration by declaring amnesty for all illegal immigrants...how about we streamline the deportation system. And spare us the sob story about "it breaks up families"....how - because illegal parents knew that giving birth in the US would give citizenship to their kids, so they worked the system and now are mad they are being taken from their families? Take them with you. Maybe the new streamline provides a trip home for the whole famdamly. Then they all get to stay together.

In short - my solution is crackdown on business who hire illegals. Streamline deportation...make it virtually immediate.

And if they give amnesty to all these law breaking illegals....then I want ALL my fee(and lawyer) money refunded for going about immigration legally...plus interest. I want reparation for wages lost while we waited legally for work authorization. And I want serious money for pain and suffering while my husband was kept away from me. How about the Pres. ask for a few billion for that!

Thank you all!!

So maybe this is a dumb question, but I am suddenly questioning if we are filing a "joint" I-751? I am a citizen. We have no kids. All we are doing is asking to remove conditions for my husband. But is it still called a "joint" application?

I started to wonder about this because I was making our cover letter and on the sample cover letter from this website, they make a point to call this a "JOINT" petition. But the sample cover letter also includes 2 people (a husband and child) being petitioned for.

So, do I need to make a point to call this a "joint" petition on the cover letter - or is that just if you have more than one non-USC on the application??

Please advise - Thanks!!

You will not get an RFE because you put n/a instead of leaving a blank space.(The instructions also state to leave it blank.). Don't worry about this. :-)

You won't get an RFE for leaving them blank. The instructions state to do just that.

From the I-751 form instructions, Page 2 >

Thanks guys! I am dumb and I totally missed that in the instructions but I see it now Cheers!

I left all non-applicable field blank. Good luck.

same here...just blank

Thanks for the info. And were you both approved - no RFE about it? Cheers!