Tom Tancredo Hired Illegal Laborers to Renovate His McMansion

[GabachaYucateca 0]

Gotta pick an argument, don't ya?

Also, many pick random numbers out of the air.

To whom are you talking?

Sorry, Lisa...I am trying to get in the habit of hitting quote and reply. I was not responding to you about the fight picking nor the answer!

Gotta pick an argument, don't ya?

Also, many pick random numbers out of the air.

Pick an argument by asking a legitmate question? Boy, it's soooo easy to work you up. I'll keep that in mind when I want to work you up again, since you have so little self-control.

Yes, the question was certainly legitimate...but you couldn't simply ask the question, could you? Had to add the commentary.

You certainly are quite the bully, huh?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The article seems to make a few leaps. How does it endanger homeland security, I wonder? It's an easy thing to throw around, but is the article writer seriously suggesting that anyone accepts an ITIN as identification and that terrorists would have been prevented but for the ITIN?

I don't know of anything that accepts the ITIN as identification. Heck, even the SSN isn't identification on its own, if we're splicing hairs. It's not photo ID. I can't use it on its own for much of anything besides taxes. As we know, advocating for a position isn't the same as that position being actually in the law. You certainly can't get a driver's license without proving you're here legally. So is this a real problem or a made-up shadowy one like a child's bedtime story?

And make up your mind -- is it impossible to get an ITIN without being here legally (therefore proving it's all obtained by fraud), or a ploy intended for people here illegally? You can't have it both ways.

Not true. There are about 9 states that issue driver's licenses to illegals. There was recently a controversy over issuing them to illegals in NY state. And the SSN is used for ID, I know coz I've used it. It's officially against fedral law to use it for anything other than taxes, but it's used for a myriad of things, not only taxes.

I'm not sure who has to make up their mind, but it's clear that nearly anything can be gotten illegally, and the lackadasical attitude of our government is no help to stop that.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Yes, the question was certainly legitimate...but you couldn't simply ask the question, could you? Had to add the commentary.

You certainly are quite the bully, huh?

If I add the commentary, what's it to you, bully? You the commentary police now? Get over yourself.

[GabachaYucateca 0]

Gotta pick an argument, don't ya?

Also, many pick random numbers out of the air.

Pick an argument by asking a legitmate question? Boy, it's soooo easy to work you up. I'll keep that in mind when I want to work you up again, since you have so little self-control.

Why would you want to work me up? Isn't that antagonistic?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Gotta pick an argument, don't ya?

Also, many pick random numbers out of the air.

Pick an argument by asking a legitmate question? Boy, it's soooo easy to work you up. I'll keep that in mind when I want to work you up again, since you have so little self-control.

Why would you want to work me up? Isn't that antagonistic?

And telling me I'm picking an argument isn't antagonistic? You people don't even realize you do exactly what you say others shouldn't do.

Pot/kettle.

At least I don't go around moralizing to people about the way they "sound" or the tone they use. Waste of time, but some love wasting time and showing their own hypocrisy in the process.

Edited December 2, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Pot/kettle.

That also takes the cake

[Fandango 1,440]

Gotta pick an argument, don't ya?

Also, many pick random numbers out of the air.

To whom are you talking?

Sorry, Lisa...I am trying to get in the habit of hitting quote and reply. I was not responding to you about the fight picking nor the answer!

Oh, ok...for a sec I was like cos I thought you were talking to me.

[GabachaYucateca 0]

Gotta pick an argument, don't ya?

Also, many pick random numbers out of the air.

To whom are you talking?

Sorry, Lisa...I am trying to get in the habit of hitting quote and reply. I was not responding to you about the fight picking nor the answer!

Oh, ok...for a sec I was like cos I thought you were talking to me.

I can see why. I'm glad you asked so I could clear it up!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Pot/kettle.

That also takes the cake

You're another one. You show up just to start something. Otherwise, you're an empty suit.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Pot/kettle.

That also takes the cake

You're another one. You show up just to start something. Otherwise, you're an empty suit.

Just nice to see that you continue to prove my point. The point that got you so bent out of shape to begin with.

As you say:

I'll keep that in mind when I want to work you up again, since you have so little self-control

[Fandango 1,440]

So he provided a letter from the day care place for all FIVE children, NONE of whom live in the States?

What a tangled web. Well, with the amount of documentation and paperwork needed for public assistance, they're bound to catch up with him eventually. Although, judging from the number of legal citizens I've seen who've engaged in fraud to get public benefits, it might take a while.

Around here, most illegal immigrants try to stay under the radar...and simply have the taxes taken out of their paychecks and never claim anything.

What a stupid, bold move on this guy's part.

Oops, I missed this....yes, he provided documentation and socials for kids not currently living here in the US.

Apparantly, my colleague was aghast that he was trying this, and that's why he recalculated the return....and he got chewed out by his supervisor for doing so...was told that they were not 'in the business to verify any information' as the onus is on the person, and he was there to make money for the tax prep. Which to me, implies that it's done more often than not.

The filer, upset that he wasn't getting his money, said he'd be back in a bit, and went to the next location of the chain, and got the refund he was after.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Pot/kettle.

That also takes the cake

You're another one. You show up just to start something. Otherwise, you're an empty suit.

Just nice to see that you continue to prove my point. The point that got you so bent out of shape to begin with.

As you say:

I'll keep that in mind when I want to work you up again, since you have so little self-control

If I'm bent out of shape, you must be pretzeled. You're the one intent on keeping score. It would be confusing if you actually added something to the discussion, but assault is the best you can do, it seems.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If I'm bent out of shape, you must be pretzeled. You're the one intent on keeping score. It would be confusing if you actually added something to the discussion, but assault is the best you can do, it seems.

I added my opinion on the OP article - that's really all I was interested in doing re: this thread. I have been following the tangents however - but I'm too nonchalant to get into them.

[Caladan 19]

The article seems to make a few leaps. How does it endanger homeland security, I wonder? It's an easy thing to throw around, but is the article writer seriously suggesting that anyone accepts an ITIN as identification and that terrorists would have been prevented but for the ITIN?

I don't know of anything that accepts the ITIN as identification. Heck, even the SSN isn't identification on its own, if we're splicing hairs. It's not photo ID. I can't use it on its own for much of anything besides taxes. As we know, advocating for a position isn't the same as that position being actually in the law. You certainly can't get a driver's license without proving you're here legally. So is this a real problem or a made-up shadowy one like a child's bedtime story?

And make up your mind -- is it impossible to get an ITIN without being here legally (therefore proving it's all obtained by fraud), or a ploy intended for people here illegally? You can't have it both ways.

Not true. There are about 9 states that issue driver's licenses to illegals. There was recently a controversy over issuing them to illegals in NY state. And the SSN is used for ID, I know coz I've used it. It's officially against fedral law to use it for anything other than taxes, but it's used for a myriad of things, not only taxes.

I'm not sure who has to make up their mind, but it's clear that nearly anything can be gotten illegally, and the lackadasical attitude of our government is no help to stop that.

You said that you couldn't get an ITIN unless you could prove you were here legally (false, as it turns out) and then followed that up with an article whose premise was, roughly, ITINs are wrong because they help illegals.

If they're already getting driver's licenses, then the ITINs aren't doing anything to add to it. (In all of those states, you need to show valid ID to get a license; the visa status is just irrelevant.) I just don't think that getting rid of ITINs would do anything except end in fewer taxes being paid. And I'd rather see the energy & money spent in modernizing Social Security so that it's realistic for an employer to be able to use it rather than the 'we have 90 days to get back to you' system in place now.

I'm curious. What were the circumstances in which you used your SSN alone as an ID?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The article seems to make a few leaps. How does it endanger homeland security, I wonder? It's an easy thing to throw around, but is the article writer seriously suggesting that anyone accepts an ITIN as identification and that terrorists would have been prevented but for the ITIN?

I don't know of anything that accepts the ITIN as identification. Heck, even the SSN isn't identification on its own, if we're splicing hairs. It's not photo ID. I can't use it on its own for much of anything besides taxes. As we know, advocating for a position isn't the same as that position being actually in the law. You certainly can't get a driver's license without proving you're here legally. So is this a real problem or a made-up shadowy one like a child's bedtime story?

And make up your mind -- is it impossible to get an ITIN without being here legally (therefore proving it's all obtained by fraud), or a ploy intended for people here illegally? You can't have it both ways.

Not true. There are about 9 states that issue driver's licenses to illegals. There was recently a controversy over issuing them to illegals in NY state. And the SSN is used for ID, I know coz I've used it. It's officially against fedral law to use it for anything other than taxes, but it's used for a myriad of things, not only taxes.

I'm not sure who has to make up their mind, but it's clear that nearly anything can be gotten illegally, and the lackadasical attitude of our government is no help to stop that.

You said that you couldn't get an ITIN unless you could prove you were here legally (false, as it turns out) and then followed that up with an article whose premise was, roughly, ITINs are wrong because they help illegals.

If they're already getting driver's licenses, then the ITINs aren't doing anything to add to it. (In all of those states, you need to show valid ID to get a license; the visa status is just irrelevant.) I just don't think that getting rid of ITINs would do anything except end in fewer taxes being paid. And I'd rather see the energy & money spent in modernizing Social Security so that it's realistic for an employer to be able to use it rather than the 'we have 90 days to get back to you' system in place now.

I'm curious. What were the circumstances in which you used your SSN alone as an ID?

I did not say that you had to prove that you are here legally to get an ITIN. Here's what I actually said:

You still have to have some legal basis to get an ITIN. I got one for my husband, so I know you don't just get one. If they are illegal, how do they get tax ID legally?

In all of those states you do not have to show valid ID to get a license. The license is known to be issued to UNDOCUMENTED people, that means they have no valid ID.

The article does not advocate eliminating ITINs, just that it should be used only as intended, and that the IRS needs to bei more responsible about who gets one and how they are used.

I have used SNN as an ID in several instances, none of which comes to mind, but as it is also not used as intended, for tax purposes only, it is also abused.