US Govt. to revisit penalty for employing illegal aliens

[peejay 327]

Nov. 24, 2007

Government to revisit penalty for employing immigrants

Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The government says it will rewrite rules for penalizing employers of illegal immigrants to try to satisfy a federal judge in San Francisco who put the crackdown on hold.

U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer stopped the Bush administration last month from going ahead with enforcement of regulations requiring employers to fire workers if their Social Security numbers did not match records and the discrepancies could not be addressed in 90 days. In issuing the temporary injunction, the judge said the Social Security database contained errors that could have cost many legal workers their jobs, and the government did not properly study the effect of the rules on business.

Late Friday, Breyer agreed to a request from the administration to put the case on hold while it reworks the regulations — a process bound to put off enforcement until the spring. The judge stayed proceedings until March 24, when the government thought it could have new rules ready on how to enforce immigration laws in the workplace.

Business, labor and civil liberties groups had sued to stop the "no match" rules, arguing the plan would trap companies and workers in a costly bureaucratic nightmare.

In its motion, the administration acknowledged that the judge had found "serious questions on the merits" raised by the case. "A stay will prevent the waste of judicial resources in litigating over a rule that is in the process of being revised," the administration's brief said. "Defendants hope and anticipate that the amended rule will fully address the Court's concerns."

The plan is meant to expose illegal immigrants who get jobs by giving out fake Social Security numbers and penalize companies that employ them. Nothing in the brief suggested the government would ultimately back away from a "no match" plan as it looked for ways to make enforcement pass legal muster.

In September, a month after the plan was announced, the government had about 140,000 letters ready to be sent to employers, each identifying 10 or more employees with mismatches in their records. But the case stopped enforcement from proceeding. Breyer issued the injunction Oct. 10.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5326794.html

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The plan is meant to expose illegal immigrants who get jobs by giving out fake Social Security numbers and penalize companies that employ them. Nothing in the brief suggested the government would ultimately back away from a "no match" plan as it looked for ways to make enforcement pass legal muster.

In September, a month after the plan was announced, the government had about 140,000 letters ready to be sent to employers, each identifying 10 or more employees with mismatches in their records. But the case stopped enforcement from proceeding. Breyer issued the injunction Oct. 10.

Good. Maybe come spring they'll have those 1.5 million+ fraudsters in the process of being moved off corporate payrolls.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

It's just ID theft people. These people just want a better life..... (at someone else's expense).

[Dan J 277]

They will just move from employees to self-employed contractors.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

They will just move from employees to self-employed contractors.

Is that what your crystal ball tells you?

[mawilson 2,133]

They will just move from employees to self-employed contractors.

Self-employed contractors need valid Social Security numbers too.

[GabachaYucateca 0]

Any ideas on how the feds are going to make up for the loss in tax revenue from those who have taxes taken out of their checks and never get refunds?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Any ideas on how the feds are going to make up for the loss in tax revenue from those who have taxes taken out of their checks and never get refunds?

Won't be a problem. Illegal aliens are a net burden fiscally. The fewer there are, the better. Always remember that.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Any ideas on how the feds are going to make up for the loss in tax revenue from those who have taxes taken out of their checks and never get refunds?

They under-withhold (claim married and 10) so they wouldn't be entitled to a refund most likely. TRANSLATION: they OWE taxes and are evading taxes. Why do you encourage such behavior?

[Heracles 417]

San Franshitsco should just declare that they want to break away from the US and form their own nation.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

San Franshitsco ...

[hmm1 0]

Any ideas on how the feds are going to make up for the loss in tax revenue from those who have taxes taken out of their checks and never get refunds?

Won't be a problem. Illegal aliens are a net burden fiscally. The fewer there are, the better. Always remember that.

Sounds like we can use that money we saved from supporting them to a different area...

[Dan J 277]

Any ideas on how the feds are going to make up for the loss in tax revenue from those who have taxes taken out of their checks and never get refunds?

Won't be a problem. Illegal aliens are a net burden fiscally. The fewer there are, the better. Always remember that.

Sounds like we can use that money we saved from supporting them to a different area...

We really wont save any money actually. While we wont be paying for services for illegal aliens, we will get lower tax collections for companies benefiting from illegal aliens and we will have to continue putting money into immigration enforcement to prevent the issue from reoccurring.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Any ideas on how the feds are going to make up for the loss in tax revenue from those who have taxes taken out of their checks and never get refunds?

Won't be a problem. Illegal aliens are a net burden fiscally. The fewer there are, the better. Always remember that.

Sounds like we can use that money we saved from supporting them to a different area...

We really wont save any money actually. While we wont be paying for services for illegal aliens, we will get lower tax collections for companies benefiting from illegal aliens and we will have to continue putting money into immigration enforcement to prevent the issue from reoccurring.

You do know what "net burden" means, don't you?

[mawilson 2,133]

You do know what "net burden" means, don't you?

I have yet to see quantitative proof that they are a 'net burden' on society.

Not saying they're not, but it's not that simple.