Step 2 of my plan to visit - Ties

[no name 1]

You ARE abusing the VWP. Have you figured that out yet?

There have been others on here that have said they visited the same amount of time as Jakey, some even longer.. They were abusing it and still got in. So those of you who are married already, it may be a bit easier for you to just point blank say "you are abusing it and thats that" dont you remember when you couldnt see your loved one? I beleive he is in the same shoes as you married folk were at one time. So instead of just saying "you are abusing it." try to help maybe?! Give some advice maybe?!

Done for now

Being married now has nothing to do with it. I went 5 months wthout seeing my fiance. We dealt with it just fine.

He IS abusing the VWP, hwether he wants to face that or not.

Edited September 20, 2007 by devilette

[Jakey-Matey 0]

You ARE abusing the VWP. Have you figured that out yet?

There have been others on here that have said they visited the same amount of time as Jakey, some even longer.. They were abusing it and still got in. So those of you who are married already, it may be a bit easier for you to just point blank say "you are abusing it and thats that" dont you remember when you couldnt see your loved one? I beleive he is in the same shoes as you married folk were at one time. So instead of just saying "you are abusing it." try to help maybe?! Give some advice maybe?!

Done for now

Thank you Tinkerbell.

If I am abusing it, then I am abusing it, but you stating that isn't going to help me with visiting or staying, and john_and_marlene, I really do not know what you are trying to accomplish posting 3 times on this thread saying the same thing, you act as if I have a short term memory loss or something... Don't you have anything better to do? :S

Anyway, thank you all for your replies/advice, it is truely appreciated.

Edited September 21, 2007 by Jakey-Matey

[Tinkerbell7 1]

You ARE abusing the VWP. Have you figured that out yet?

There have been others on here that have said they visited the same amount of time as Jakey, some even longer.. They were abusing it and still got in. So those of you who are married already, it may be a bit easier for you to just point blank say "you are abusing it and thats that" dont you remember when you couldnt see your loved one? I beleive he is in the same shoes as you married folk were at one time. So instead of just saying "you are abusing it." try to help maybe?! Give some advice maybe?!

Done for now

Being married now has nothing to do with it. I went 5 months wthout seeing my fiance. We dealt with it just fine.

He IS abusing the VWP, hwether he wants to face that or not.

I never said he wasnt abusing it. I think he would know or not if he was. Like I said, others have visited same as his length or longer. So he may still get in abusing it or not. All I saw was criticism.. Wasnt really constructive. Could have added something like "Well, I understand what you are going through, and if you want to go so bad get as much proof of ties as you can." Just my opinion. The person posted twice saying he is abusing it.. I dont think he skipped over their first post.

And Jakey, I know exactly what you are going through and yeah it sucks. All I can say is, if you get through GRATS! You never know what can happen.

[athena_ny 1]

You ARE abusing the VWP. Have you figured that out yet?

There have been others on here that have said they visited the same amount of time as Jakey, some even longer.. They were abusing it and still got in. So those of you who are married already, it may be a bit easier for you to just point blank say "you are abusing it and thats that" dont you remember when you couldnt see your loved one? I beleive he is in the same shoes as you married folk were at one time. So instead of just saying "you are abusing it." try to help maybe?! Give some advice maybe?!

Done for now

Being married now has nothing to do with it. I went 5 months wthout seeing my fiance. We dealt with it just fine.

He IS abusing the VWP, hwether he wants to face that or not.

Not only that, but what are we supposed to advise?

If the OP wants constructive advice:

In the time left before your visit, find a job. A stable job that will give you an employment letter. Move out and get your own apartment, lease included that includes steep fines if you break it.

I mean, honestly, those are the things you can do and not likely they will happen. In the CBP's eyes, you have no reason not to stay, and you're already going to the POE abusing your VWP (and if they let you in knowing you've been here for a few days short of the limit, I'd be shocked).

But that's not what you want to hear....

[rebeccajo 14]

You ARE abusing the VWP. Have you figured that out yet?

There have been others on here that have said they visited the same amount of time as Jakey, some even longer.. They were abusing it and still got in. So those of you who are married already, it may be a bit easier for you to just point blank say "you are abusing it and thats that" dont you remember when you couldnt see your loved one? I beleive he is in the same shoes as you married folk were at one time. So instead of just saying "you are abusing it." try to help maybe?! Give some advice maybe?!

Done for now

Of course we remember. Otherwise, we wouldn't still be around here trying to help those of you who are still separated.

Just because the advise or comments is not what you want to hear, it doesn't mean it's not the truth.

I'm a little tired of reading about how those of us still not separated are so MEAN and CRUEL. Maybe we should start saying some of you who are still separated are WHINERS and BITTER?

[TracyTN 237]

If the OP wants to spend a few hundred pounds on a plane ticket, only to be turned away at POE for lack of ties to home/abuse of the VWP, let him. Obviously being unemployed means you have money to throw away.

Immigration aren't fools - they'll do their job.

[Fandango 1,440]

If the OP wants to spend a few hundred pounds on a plane ticket, only to be turned away at POE for lack of ties to home/abuse of the VWP, let him. Obviously being unemployed means you have money to throw away.

Immigration aren't fools - they'll do their job.

I agree.

OP, clear immigration through dublin so that if there's a probbo, you're not payin out the nose for a return flight.....

[athena_ny 1]

You ARE abusing the VWP. Have you figured that out yet?

There have been others on here that have said they visited the same amount of time as Jakey, some even longer.. They were abusing it and still got in. So those of you who are married already, it may be a bit easier for you to just point blank say "you are abusing it and thats that" dont you remember when you couldnt see your loved one? I beleive he is in the same shoes as you married folk were at one time. So instead of just saying "you are abusing it." try to help maybe?! Give some advice maybe?!

Done for now

Of course we remember. Otherwise, we wouldn't still be around here trying to help those of you who are still separated.

Just because the advise or comments is not what you want to hear, it doesn't mean it's not the truth.

I'm a little tired of reading about how those of us still not separated are so MEAN and CRUEL. Maybe we should start saying some of you who are still separated are WHINERS and BITTER?

(And lest anyone think I never had to be separated from my husband - we started long distance, even if it was in the same country.)

[no name 1]

You ARE abusing the VWP. Have you figured that out yet?

There have been others on here that have said they visited the same amount of time as Jakey, some even longer.. They were abusing it and still got in. So those of you who are married already, it may be a bit easier for you to just point blank say "you are abusing it and thats that" dont you remember when you couldnt see your loved one? I beleive he is in the same shoes as you married folk were at one time. So instead of just saying "you are abusing it." try to help maybe?! Give some advice maybe?!

Done for now

Of course we remember. Otherwise, we wouldn't still be around here trying to help those of you who are still separated.

Just because the advise or comments is not what you want to hear, it doesn't mean it's not the truth.

I'm a little tired of reading about how those of us still not separated are so MEAN and CRUEL. Maybe we should start saying some of you who are still separated are WHINERS and BITTER?

[~Nini~ 2]

There have been others on here that have said they visited the same amount of time as Jakey, some even longer.. They were abusing it and still got in. So those of you who are married already, it may be a bit easier for you to just point blank say "you are abusing it and thats that" dont you remember when you couldnt see your loved one? I beleive he is in the same shoes as you married folk were at one time. So instead of just saying "you are abusing it." try to help maybe?! Give some advice maybe?!

Done for now

Of course we remember. Otherwise, we wouldn't still be around here trying to help those of you who are still separated.

Just because the advise or comments is not what you want to hear, it doesn't mean it's not the truth.

I'm a little tired of reading about how those of us still not separated are so MEAN and CRUEL. Maybe we should start saying some of you who are still separated are WHINERS and BITTER?

Well done, RJ.

For the most part, I'm tired of every thread turning into a "why can't you be sympathetic?!" fest whenever constructive advice is being offered against foolish reinforcement.

I never said he wasnt abusing it. I think he would know or not if he was. Like I said, others have visited same as his length or longer.

This is not an attack on the OP, but if he was aware that he was abusing his privileges with the VWP, then why would he start a thread like this? I mean, just because others have done it in the past doesn't mean that we were any more supportive of it either...

Edited September 21, 2007 by Nini & Bee

[mox 298]

I have to say, I can't get too upset about someone "abusing" the system to be with their loved ones. Our immigration system is so freaking broken, and so-called abuses like this are only a symptom of the larger problem. If you want to be angry with the abusers, be angry with the people that exploit our system to take advantage of others. Be angry with the human trafickers and criminals who exploit the system for ill-gotten gain. The people who just want to spend some time with their loved ones should have our sympathy and support.

Edited September 21, 2007 by moxcamel

[Mr. Grey 0]

I kind of understand the OP's point, although I think as well that he's at least bending the purpose of the VWP.

For me, as a foreign fiance, it's hard to see through the regulations of the VWP. Here's why:

1.) You are allowed to go to the US for business or touristic purposes for 90 days or less (that's exactly what they tell you on their web pages). But, to be honest, is visiting your fiance(e) really a TOURISTIC purpose ?

2.) Neither on the CBP homepage, nor on the web page of the US Embassy in Germany, you can find ANY information about a maximum stay of 180 days per year. I know that the "180 day rule" is an indication for residence in a country, at least for tax purposes. However, the US government does not say that there is such a rule for the VWP.

3.) A lot of members here reported that they've had multiple entries per year, without even closely reaching 180 or even 90 days. Nevertheless, it appears that some of them have been told to apply for a B2 visa if they intend to continue travelling forth and back. But, where is the legal difference between a VWP-stay and a B1/B2-stay, except for the fact that the B1/B2 enables you to stay longer than 90 days ? If I went to the US embassy, applied for a B2 visa and stated that I don't intend to stay longer than 1 or 2 weeks per stay, at a maximum of 4-5 times a year, wouldn't they ask me what I would need the visa for ? At least, they tell you on their web page NOT to apply for a visa if the VWP rules are sufficient for your stay.

4.) There is absolutely NO information about how often you can travel forth and back on the VWP per year. However, there are posts where I get the impression that too many entries per year should not be done. But, what are "many entries" ? 5, 10 or 20 ?

These are real questions that I always have when dealing with this whole subject. But, at the end of the day, I figure out that there are no definite answers for them. And the feeling that each immigration officer could read the rules in a different way makes me anxious on every entry. Because getting turned down seems to be up to the officer('s mood). I visit my fiancee 4-5 times a year, each visit is for 1-2 weeks, and I still feel insecure about being admitted or not. And this even though I have strong home ties to Germany (job, apartment, family) and do not intend to immigrate to the US (we've not even applied for the K-1).

Since all the rules for the VWP are very indefinite, I can understand why people often feel insecure about this whole CBP process. The OP seems to do the same - maybe because he can't find any information about a 180-day rule that is applicable to the VWP.

That's my two cents ...

Daniel

[athena_ny 1]

I have to say, I can't get too upset about someone "abusing" the system to be with their loved ones. Our immigration system is so freaking broken, and so-called abuses like this are only a symptom of the larger problem. If you want to be angry with the abusers, be angry with the people that exploit our system to take advantage of others. Be angry with the human trafickers and criminals who exploit the system for ill-gotten gain. The people who just want to spend some time with their loved ones should have our sympathy and support.

Too much abuse of the VWP=no more VWP=less visiting of loved ones.

I'm sure that's a desireable outcome, no?

Edited September 21, 2007 by meow mix

[mox 298]

Too much abuse of the VWP=no more VWP=less visiting of loved ones.

I'm sure that's a desireable outcome, no?

I'm just saying, I'm not going to chastise someone for wanting to be with their loved one and doing something about it. If someone has to use the VWP to visit their loved one, then the system is broken anyway and needs to be fixed. That's where the concern should lie, not with the few people who may technically be abusing it, but who are doing it for all the right reasons anyway. People like the OP are not the problem. The real abusers--the criminals--those are the people who are creating the real problems in the system.

[TracyTN 237]

Too much abuse of the VWP=no more VWP=less visiting of loved ones.

I'm sure that's a desireable outcome, no?

I'm just saying, I'm not going to chastise someone for wanting to be with their loved one and doing something about it. If someone has to use the VWP to visit their loved one, then the system is broken anyway and needs to be fixed. That's where the concern should lie, not with the few people who may technically be abusing it, but who are doing it for all the right reasons anyway. People like the OP are not the problem. The real abusers--the criminals--those are the people who are creating the real problems in the system.

My fiance (now husband) used the VWP three times to visit me here in the states. The VWP is the easiest way for non US residents to visit loved ones in the US, and those of us whose SO's live in VWP countries are very fortunate.

How is that a 'broken' system?

Edited September 21, 2007 by TracyTN