African-Americans comprise 9% of the population of Los Angeles County, but are victims in 59% of all race-hate crimes

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

What exactly is the point here?

That Latinos and Blacks living in the mainly inner-city parts of Los Angeles don't get along?

That overt racism results from ignorance and a lack of general education (which is also rather typical of inner city life)?

Some point... Stating the obvious...

good point, the same at one time could be said of any 2 minorities..as an example; the irish and italians, when they first came to america...

So why should this get just a ho-hum, nothing-to-see-here response, while the exact same behaviour from whites is an outrage?

Who said that (any) racism was acceptable?

The same people that use the phrase 'reverse-racism'.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What exactly is the point here?

That Latinos and Blacks living in the mainly inner-city parts of Los Angeles don't get along?

That overt racism results from ignorance and a lack of general education (which is also rather typical of inner city life)?

Some point... Stating the obvious...

good point, the same at one time could be said of any 2 minorities..as an example; the irish and italians, when they first came to america...

So why should this get just a ho-hum, nothing-to-see-here response, while the exact same behaviour from whites is an outrage?

Who said that (any) racism was acceptable?

The same people that use the phrase 'reverse-racism'.

Imagine that

[Heracles 417]

then what exactly would you call this? it looks to me like racially motivated hate & blame.

Apparently in VJ I have previously heard that only KKK loving, plantation owning, non-segregated, low density living, above poverty, white people do this...

Surely you realize that racism and bigotry are diseases of the White Man, right? Anything that looks like that from other than a white male is not racist and is entirely understandable and excuseable

To be brutally honest - I don't think that there are many VJers who believe that.

actually, not really. the same ones that usually jump all over a white guy saying anything remotely similar are absent from this thread

One tried by taking it off topic and beating around the actual issue. As well as the usual use of cat like stealth to approach this by basically saying move along as it happens everywhere.

Edited September 2, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Heracles 417]

good point, the same at one time could be said of any 2 minorities..as an example; the irish and italians, when they first came to america...

I never knew there was a two tier system in America where someone classified as a minority is permitted to say and do as they please. While anyone white must walk on eggshells.

[Heracles 417]

What exactly is the point here?

That Latinos and Blacks living in the mainly inner-city parts of Los Angeles don't get along?

That overt racism results from ignorance and a lack of general education (which is also rather typical of inner city life)?

Some point... Stating the obvious...

good point, the same at one time could be said of any 2 minorities..as an example; the irish and italians, when they first came to america...

So why should this get just a ho-hum, nothing-to-see-here response, while the exact same behaviour from whites is an outrage?

Who said that (any) racism was acceptable?

Well you basically have before. Whenever I post proof of racism against someone white, in America, you always respond with a they're just an idiot or extremist style comment. Never ever condemning it.

Same goes with people beating the 'well they are a minority' drum. Yet when someone white is a minority in XYZ county, so many here are like big ######.. Point being does being a minority matter? If so, does it apply and matter as much depending on whether someone is white or not??

If someone white had said these comments they would be all over the media and the usual crowd in VJ would be talking ###### about whoever said it and calling him a range of names..

Edited September 2, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Stabu 0]

The left wing White liberals always love to talk about White racism.

That's because White liberals (and university people in general) are engaged in an intellectual war against the Western greko-roman culture. They have a deep hatred towards man and are willing to go to almost any length in order to destroy him, his freedom and his creativity. The irony is that the universities where originally built in order to become the enlightenment centers of the world. Currently their task seems to be to bring destruction. In general I hold the view that the more formal education you have the more stupid you become (this thus the fact that I'm likely among the most formally educated on these boards).

We are currently almost living in an Orwellian world, where concepts have been twisted to mean the complete opposite of what they meant originally. The word racism used to mean "discrimination based on race" currently a racist is anyone who "believes that there are genetic differences between groups of men". This means that around 80% of all biology processors are categorized as racist, as are those of us who still think that genes partially determine the intelligence, speed, endurance etc. of individuals. Furthermore the concept or racism has been extended to include anyone who is against groups such as Jews, Muslims, Women or homosexuals (earlier you used to call such individuals anti-Semites, islamophobes, sexists or homophobes). As it seems obvious that also so called minorities hold racist views the term racism has been further defined as something only the majority can do to a minority group. Thus it becomes an impossibility to be a racist against white (Christian) heterosexual males. The irony again is that as the White have already become a minority in the states of Texas and California the concept has been redefined again to mean that racism can only emerge when it's conducted by a "dominant group" (i.e. Whites) against a "subordinate group" (i.e. everyone else), but not the other way around. Another comic thing is that Blacks are in general more against homosexuals' rights and abortion than Whites are. In the same manner Hispanics have a history of being more against Blacks than Whites are. These things are (of course) forgotten.

This double standard is infuriating in so many ways. First of all a Black individual can get away with publicly saying and endorsing that "White people should be exterminated" (as pointed above by Boo-Yah!) where as White individuals can't even use the word ni**er (I actually can't say the word in here either since it's apparently censored) without being labelled as racist. The whole academic world is famous of its affirmative action programs. These programs are unfair and they hurt blacks the most, since these programs mean that the academic achievements of good black students are jeopardized on the labour market because employers think that their achievements are based on extra privilidges even if they wouldn't. These programs also label Blacks and Hispanics as children, since the program assumes that Blacks and Hispanics are somehow inferior in comparison to Whites and Asians and can only compete with them if they are given privilidges. Of course the intellectuals who planned these programs won't admit this, but this is precisely the thinking behind these programs. Even Blacks themselves aren't allowed to criticize affirmative action. Blacks such as Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell are said not to be really Black at all because they have done this. Also the "pride" term is corrupted. It's okay to be proud about being a homosexual, Black, Asian or Arab, but it's not okay to be proud of being White. White pride is associated with silly neo-Nazi extremism whereas other forms of prides are associated with equality. It seems to be totally wrong to be proud of being White, even if the civilization as we know it has always been a White man's project alone, at least till the end of the 20th century (of course this has nothing to do with any kind of racial or genetic superiority but it is simply doe to a series of fortunate events). Without it, most of us would be dead and those lucky enouhg to be alive, would be living in caves.

Ouh and btw. I happen to be and Atheist and thus among the most widely hated minority group in the whole US (luckily Atheism isn't something that would show unless you open your mouth).

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What exactly is the point here?

That Latinos and Blacks living in the mainly inner-city parts of Los Angeles don't get along?

That overt racism results from ignorance and a lack of general education (which is also rather typical of inner city life)?

Some point... Stating the obvious...

good point, the same at one time could be said of any 2 minorities..as an example; the irish and italians, when they first came to america...

So why should this get just a ho-hum, nothing-to-see-here response, while the exact same behaviour from whites is an outrage?

Who said that (any) racism was acceptable?

Well you basically have before. Whenever I post proof of racism against someone white, in America, you always respond with a they're just an idiot or extremist style comment. Never ever condemning it.

Same goes with people beating the 'well they are a minority' drum. Yet when someone white is a minority in XYZ county, so many here are like big ######.. Point being does being a minority matter? If so, does it apply and matter as much depending on whether someone is white or not??

If someone white had said these comments they would be all over the media and the usual crowd in VJ would be talking ###### about whoever said it and calling him a range of names..

Oh shut up - I have never said racism is acceptable. That's incredibly disingenuous. That said someone who makes a comment about how "group x should be exterminated" is clearly a nutjob. Hence they quote a 'former professor' and the leader of an organisation which is considered by many people to be extremist. What else do you want me to say? I'm not sure why idiotic comments deserve well... any attention to be honest. The media focusses on extreme people to sensationalise the issues (as in the video you posted).

In any case - this thread isn't about someone making racist or inappropriate comments, its about one group of people being discriminated against and targetted by another in the specific context of the city of Los Angeles. In that context, you have two groups of people who are competing economically, living in specific inner city neighborhoods experiencing all of the problems associated with inner city life. That includes higher than average levels of crime (unless you want to dispute that), it includes a lower general standard of education. In that climate its a given that it includes racism. Again in that context - racism tends to be a function of a lack of education. Unless you really imagine that I think that everyone who lives in a crime-ridden inner-city really get on like a house on fire (must be why there is so much crime ). If you think that - I'd say its time to pick up some sociology textbooks.

As I said earlier - stating the obvious here doesn't support the point you are trying to make.

Edited September 2, 2007 by Number 6

[Caladan 19]

White pride is associated with silly neo-Nazi extremism whereas other forms of prides are associated with equality. It seems to be totally wrong to be proud of being White, even if the civilization as we know it has always been a White man's project alone, at least till the end of the 20th century (of course this has nothing to do with any kind of racial or genetic superiority but it is simply doe to a series of fortunate events). Without it, most of us would be dead and those lucky enouhg to be alive, would be living in caves.

Ouh and btw. I happen to be and Atheist and thus among the most widely hated minority group in the whole US (luckily Atheism isn't something that would show unless you open your mouth).

People worry more about white extremism because historically you worry more when a more powerful group rails against a less powerful group. It's not that people on both sides can't be prejudiced, it's just that when prejudice is backed up by political power, it's more dangerous. There are some people who think that racism can only happen given a sort of power structure. I don't think that's true. Because there are two separate questions: whether someone is prejudiced, and whether they have enough influence to make that a problem. In other words, in 1936 I'm more worried about Hitler railing against the Jews than the other way around. If the guy Boo-Yah posted was actually influential, he'd be a problem. But he isn't.

"White Pride" is associated with silly Neo-Nazi extremism because it's absolute rubbish to think that the only people who have contributed to civilization as we know it are white people. The rest of the world did not live in caves before the White man got here, and a number of the civilizations that created a lot of what you think of as Western culture wouldn't have been thought of as really 'white.' Really. Italian, Jewish, Greek, Irish: earlier in the U.S. they were considered not really white, for various reasons. They'd corrupt White America. You can read writings from a couple centuries ago talking about how it's only the pure white Northern Protestant man who could innovate, those dirty stinking Catholics being too swarthy and too under the influence of the Church. This ignores the Renaissance in Italy, of course, but like I said, 'white' seems to be redefined pretty easily. Probably in 30 years it'll include Hispanics, too.

Your civilization doesn't make it out of the dark ages without the Arabs. Are we saying that China and Japan didn't contribute anything? India?

[Heracles 417]

If the guy Boo-Yah posted was actually influential, he'd be a problem. But he isn't.

Edited September 2, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the guy Boo-Yah posted was actually influential, he'd be a problem. But he isn't.

and what u are?? Feelings are mutual here. Where are u living? What is your income? What did you major in again? Which college did you study at?

You talk a big game so lets see if you can put your money and education where your mouth is..

She was talking about the people in the video you posted...

[Heracles 417]

The left wing White liberals always love to talk about White racism.

That's because White liberals (and university people in general) are engaged in an intellectual war against the Western greko-roman culture. They have a deep hatred towards man and are willing to go to almost any length in order to destroy him, his freedom and his creativity. The irony is that the universities where originally built in order to become the enlightenment centers of the world. Currently their task seems to be to bring destruction. In general I hold the view that the more formal education you have the more stupid you become (this thus the fact that I'm likely among the most formally educated on these boards).

We are currently almost living in an Orwellian world, where concepts have been twisted to mean the complete opposite of what they meant originally. The word racism used to mean "discrimination based on race" currently a racist is anyone who "believes that there are genetic differences between groups of men". This means that around 80% of all biology processors are categorized as racist, as are those of us who still think that genes partially determine the intelligence, speed, endurance etc. of individuals. Furthermore the concept or racism has been extended to include anyone who is against groups such as Jews, Muslims, Women or homosexuals (earlier you used to call such individuals anti-Semites, islamophobes, sexists or homophobes). As it seems obvious that also so called minorities hold racist views the term racism has been further defined as something only the majority can do to a minority group. Thus it becomes an impossibility to be a racist against white (Christian) heterosexual males. The irony again is that as the White have already become a minority in the states of Texas and California the concept has been redefined again to mean that racism can only emerge when it's conducted by a "dominant group" (i.e. Whites) against a "subordinate group" (i.e. everyone else), but not the other way around. Another comic thing is that Blacks are in general more against homosexuals' rights and abortion than Whites are. In the same manner Hispanics have a history of being more against Blacks than Whites are. These things are (of course) forgotten.

This double standard is infuriating in so many ways. First of all a Black individual can get away with publicly saying and endorsing that "White people should be exterminated" (as pointed above by Boo-Yah!) where as White individuals can't even use the word ni**er (I actually can't say the word in here either since it's apparently censored) without being labelled as racist. The whole academic world is famous of its affirmative action programs. These programs are unfair and they hurt blacks the most, since these programs mean that the academic achievements of good black students are jeopardized on the labour market because employers think that their achievements are based on extra privilidges even if they wouldn't. These programs also label Blacks and Hispanics as children, since the program assumes that Blacks and Hispanics are somehow inferior in comparison to Whites and Asians and can only compete with them if they are given privilidges. Of course the intellectuals who planned these programs won't admit this, but this is precisely the thinking behind these programs. Even Blacks themselves aren't allowed to criticize affirmative action. Blacks such as Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell are said not to be really Black at all because they have done this. Also the "pride" term is corrupted. It's okay to be proud about being a homosexual, Black, Asian or Arab, but it's not okay to be proud of being White. White pride is associated with silly neo-Nazi extremism whereas other forms of prides are associated with equality. It seems to be totally wrong to be proud of being White, even if the civilization as we know it has always been a White man's project alone, at least till the end of the 20th century (of course this has nothing to do with any kind of racial or genetic superiority but it is simply doe to a series of fortunate events). Without it, most of us would be dead and those lucky enouhg to be alive, would be living in caves.

Ouh and btw. I happen to be and Atheist and thus among the most widely hated minority group in the whole US (luckily Atheism isn't something that would show unless you open your mouth).

One of the best and most intellectual posts I have seen for a while in VJ.

[Caladan 19]

If the guy Boo-Yah posted was actually influential, he'd be a problem. But he isn't.

and what u are?? Feelings are mutual here. Where are u living? What is your income? What did you major in again? Which college did you study at?

You talk a big game so lets see if you can put your money and education where your mouth is..

Boo Yah, I'm talking about the link you posted. That's why I said 'the guy Boo-Yah posted', not 'Boo-Yah.' I didn't say that you weren't influential. I said the guy you're holding up as proof of something isn't all that influential.

I'm not sure why my education level or my income level comes into this particularly.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The left wing White liberals always love to talk about White racism.

That's because White liberals (and university people in general) are engaged in an intellectual war against the Western greko-roman culture. They have a deep hatred towards man and are willing to go to almost any length in order to destroy him, his freedom and his creativity. The irony is that the universities where originally built in order to become the enlightenment centers of the world. Currently their task seems to be to bring destruction. In general I hold the view that the more formal education you have the more stupid you become (this thus the fact that I'm likely among the most formally educated on these boards).

We are currently almost living in an Orwellian world, where concepts have been twisted to mean the complete opposite of what they meant originally. The word racism used to mean "discrimination based on race" currently a racist is anyone who "believes that there are genetic differences between groups of men". This means that around 80% of all biology processors are categorized as racist, as are those of us who still think that genes partially determine the intelligence, speed, endurance etc. of individuals. Furthermore the concept or racism has been extended to include anyone who is against groups such as Jews, Muslims, Women or homosexuals (earlier you used to call such individuals anti-Semites, islamophobes, sexists or homophobes). As it seems obvious that also so called minorities hold racist views the term racism has been further defined as something only the majority can do to a minority group. Thus it becomes an impossibility to be a racist against white (Christian) heterosexual males. The irony again is that as the White have already become a minority in the states of Texas and California the concept has been redefined again to mean that racism can only emerge when it's conducted by a "dominant group" (i.e. Whites) against a "subordinate group" (i.e. everyone else), but not the other way around. Another comic thing is that Blacks are in general more against homosexuals' rights and abortion than Whites are. In the same manner Hispanics have a history of being more against Blacks than Whites are. These things are (of course) forgotten.

This double standard is infuriating in so many ways. First of all a Black individual can get away with publicly saying and endorsing that "White people should be exterminated" (as pointed above by Boo-Yah!) where as White individuals can't even use the word ni**er (I actually can't say the word in here either since it's apparently censored) without being labelled as racist. The whole academic world is famous of its affirmative action programs. These programs are unfair and they hurt blacks the most, since these programs mean that the academic achievements of good black students are jeopardized on the labour market because employers think that their achievements are based on extra privilidges even if they wouldn't. These programs also label Blacks and Hispanics as children, since the program assumes that Blacks and Hispanics are somehow inferior in comparison to Whites and Asians and can only compete with them if they are given privilidges. Of course the intellectuals who planned these programs won't admit this, but this is precisely the thinking behind these programs. Even Blacks themselves aren't allowed to criticize affirmative action. Blacks such as Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell are said not to be really Black at all because they have done this. Also the "pride" term is corrupted. It's okay to be proud about being a homosexual, Black, Asian or Arab, but it's not okay to be proud of being White. White pride is associated with silly neo-Nazi extremism whereas other forms of prides are associated with equality. It seems to be totally wrong to be proud of being White, even if the civilization as we know it has always been a White man's project alone, at least till the end of the 20th century (of course this has nothing to do with any kind of racial or genetic superiority but it is simply doe to a series of fortunate events). Without it, most of us would be dead and those lucky enouhg to be alive, would be living in caves.

Ouh and btw. I happen to be and Atheist and thus among the most widely hated minority group in the whole US (luckily Atheism isn't something that would show unless you open your mouth).

One of the best and most intellectual posts I have seen for a while in VJ.

Only because you agree with it.

[Heracles 417]

Boo Yah, I'm talking about the link you posted. That's why I said 'the guy Boo-Yah posted', not 'Boo-Yah.' I didn't say that you weren't influential. I said the guy you're holding up as proof of something isn't all that influential.

I'm not sure why my education level or my income level comes into this particularly.

okay my bad. I apologize Caladan. I am just so used to being attacked for my views that I miss read what you actually meant. I was just asked those questions, as a smart ###, because I wrongly assumed you where taking a jab at me..

Edited September 2, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the guy Boo-Yah posted was actually influential, he'd be a problem. But he isn't.

and what u are?? Feelings are mutual here. Where are u living? What is your income? What did you major in again? Which college did you study at?

You talk a big game so lets see if you can put your money and education where your mouth is..

Boo Yah, I'm talking about the link you posted. That's why I said 'the guy Boo-Yah posted', not 'Boo-Yah.' I didn't say that you weren't influential. I said the guy you're holding up as proof of something isn't all that influential.

I'm not sure why my education level or my income level comes into this particularly.

Given that - it wouldn't be all that inaccurate to suggest that most, if not all of us aren't all that influential anyways. Considering that LPRs and foreign visa applicants aren't able to vote and have no political representation of any kind - we have next to no influence at all. Doesn't mean we can't still talk about things - I Guess I just don't get why some folks here see that as a problem or why being referred to as 'uninfluential' should be seen as an insult when it is simply a fact...

Edited September 2, 2007 by Number 6