Clinton's Hostile Preschool Takeover

[GaryC 7]

That is nothing but partisan hacking.

Says the fellow talking about a so-called "cradle to grave nanny state," and accusing liberals of wanting "no one to have any choices." A mirror for you, friend. Pot, kettle, black.

yeah, but what I am saying is true. There is no mirror. The libs want the government to take over every aspect of our lives for the "public good". Screw that, this country was built on hard work of the individual. I can see your another lib that when faced with the truth he just starts rationalizing.

[Ban Hammer 12,880]

pre-school to me means kindergarten. it's not mandatory at the state level that i'm aware of. and all i can remember of kindergarten is being taught how to take a nap during school

My kindergarten taught us the alphabet, geography, and basic writing. Kindergarten's required in my state, though; your state's program could be completely different.

at the time (mid 60's) that was in florida and it was a private school.

pre-school to me means kindergarten. it's not mandatory at the state level that i'm aware of. and all i can remember of kindergarten is being taught how to take a nap during school

Preschool is about teaching kids to socialize with one another.

It's also about letting parents who need a second income to run a household have that second income. This idea makes a lot of sense in a place like NJ where a household income of less than 150k means being lower-middle-class to poor. That second income is important here. Preschool should be left up to the states, I expect it doesn't make as much sense in Arkansas.

actually, when i was dating a gal in arkansas in 2002, i learned the high schools there have a day care in them

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

i dislike how it runs out the private schools. that's one point i was making by my pic of her - everyone's lack of choice if she has her way.

Where does it indicate that private pre-K's wouldn't be allowed to continue business? I can't seem to find that insinuation in the article. That aside, there're still private K-12's now, and there'll still be private pre-K's under Sen. Clinton's proposal.

nor do i buy that about the taxes on those over 200k would pay for it. i've heard that line before too.

Whether you "buy" it or not, it's true. Allowing President Bush's $200K+ tax cuts to expire could easily fund something so simple as an additional grade, especially one that wouldn't require teachers with broad certifications or lengthy higher education. Methinks you underestimate the revenue generated by our nation's highest 1%.

You just sound like someone that wants the rich to pay more. As it is the top 25% pay 84% of the taxes. Where do you think your job and our economy comes from? Rich people. If you tax them until they see no need to try to be rich then no one works. Your just expousing socialistic views.

I have a real problem with this 200K+ == "rich" viewpoint. Maybe it does in Alabama or Arkansas, but it doesn't in places like the NYC Metro Area or even the San Jose area. A plain old 4-bedroom in these parts costs 500k+, what the heck does making 200K mean anyway? Nothing. Leave this to the states, I'd hate to see Alabama standards applied on us.

[GaryC 7]

pre-school to me means kindergarten. it's not mandatory at the state level that i'm aware of. and all i can remember of kindergarten is being taught how to take a nap during school

Preschool is about teaching kids to socialize with one another.

It's also about letting parents who need a second income to run a household have that second income. This idea makes a lot of sense in a place like NJ where a household income of less than 150k means being lower-middle-class to poor. That second income is important here. Preschool should be left up to the states, I expect it doesn't make as much sense in Arkansas.

Pre-school is before kindergarden. Pre-school is just a babysitting place. So in effect we will have government mandated babysitters. I don't want my taxes going for that.

[Ban Hammer 12,880]

That is nothing but partisan hacking.

Says the fellow talking about a so-called "cradle to grave nanny state," and accusing liberals of wanting "no one to have any choices." A mirror for you, friend. Pot, kettle, black.

yeah, but what I am saying is true. There is no mirror. The libs want the government to take over every aspect of our lives for the "public good". Screw that, this country was built on hard work of the individual. I can see your another lib that when faced with the truth he just starts rationalizing.

you've not learned yet, gary?

government programs by the dems = great idea

government programs by the repubs = bad idea

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

pre-school to me means kindergarten. it's not mandatory at the state level that i'm aware of. and all i can remember of kindergarten is being taught how to take a nap during school

My kindergarten taught us the alphabet, geography, and basic writing. Kindergarten's required in my state, though; your state's program could be completely different.

at the time (mid 60's) that was in florida and it was a private school.

pre-school to me means kindergarten. it's not mandatory at the state level that i'm aware of. and all i can remember of kindergarten is being taught how to take a nap during school

Preschool is about teaching kids to socialize with one another.

It's also about letting parents who need a second income to run a household have that second income. This idea makes a lot of sense in a place like NJ where a household income of less than 150k means being lower-middle-class to poor. That second income is important here. Preschool should be left up to the states, I expect it doesn't make as much sense in Arkansas.

actually, when i was dating a gal in arkansas in 2002, i learned the high schools there have a day care in them

The point with the Arkansas comment was cost of living. Not that they're primitive. But things cost a lot less out there.

[Longview 0]

You just sound like someone that wants the rich to pay more. As it is the top 25% pay 84% of the taxes. Where do you think your job and our economy comes from? Rich people. If you tax them until they see no need to try to be rich then no one works. Your just expousing socialistic views.

The word is "espousing," and no, I'm really not. You're farther to the right than America's Republican Party, judging by what you espouse.

The wealthy (rightly so) pay the bulk of the tax burden because they benefit most from our free society. Our economy "comes from" a free society, one built upon the backs of both private and public sector contributions alike. You talk as if allowing President Bush's tax cuts expire will put the wealthy into the poorhouse, despite record profits being experienced by America's executives. Rest assured, America's millionaires and billionaires won't be dissuaded from profits on account of the coming expiry.

[Ban Hammer 12,880]

pre-school to me means kindergarten. it's not mandatory at the state level that i'm aware of. and all i can remember of kindergarten is being taught how to take a nap during school

My kindergarten taught us the alphabet, geography, and basic writing. Kindergarten's required in my state, though; your state's program could be completely different.

at the time (mid 60's) that was in florida and it was a private school.

pre-school to me means kindergarten. it's not mandatory at the state level that i'm aware of. and all i can remember of kindergarten is being taught how to take a nap during school

Preschool is about teaching kids to socialize with one another.

It's also about letting parents who need a second income to run a household have that second income. This idea makes a lot of sense in a place like NJ where a household income of less than 150k means being lower-middle-class to poor. That second income is important here. Preschool should be left up to the states, I expect it doesn't make as much sense in Arkansas.

actually, when i was dating a gal in arkansas in 2002, i learned the high schools there have a day care in them

The point with the Arkansas comment was cost of living. Not that they're primitive. But things cost a lot less out there.

still depends on where one is in arkansas. around bentonville (home of wally world) the cost of living isn't low due to the wages paid to the horde of wally world workers. i'd imagine the same applies to little rock and so on.

now if you wanna talk out in the sticks, that could just about be any state.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Fair point. So you agree that a household income of 200k in location A may make you rich, but may not make you rich in location B? I know you do, just want to say it out loud. People who want to raise taxes act like "200K" means the same everywhere. It doesn't.

[Longview 0]

The libs want the government to take over every aspect of our lives

You've got your tin-foil hat on too tight there, methinks.

I can see your another lib that when faced with the truth he just starts rationalizing.

And I can see that you're a fringe laissez-faire right-winger whose ideas aren't even embraced by our nation's Republican Party. You could be a more Ayn Rand-leaning Libertarian type, but that'd depend on where you stand with regard to government intervention in social issues.

And did you seriously just use the word "rationalize" as if it were a bad thing? My sincere apologies for conforming to reason.

[Ban Hammer 12,880]

Fair point. So you agree that a household income of 200k in location A may make you rich, but may not make you rich in location B? I know you do, just want to say it out loud. People who want to raise taxes act like "200K" means the same everywhere. It doesn't.

obviously 200k in downtown la or nyc does not mean as much as 200k in kermit texas.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

IOW, kermittians win if taxes are raised on 200k+ households. I bet kermittians vote GOP too!

[Ban Hammer 12,880]

The libs want the government to take over every aspect of our lives

You've got your tin-foil hat on too tight there, methinks.

I can see your another lib that when faced with the truth he just starts rationalizing.

And I can see that you're a fringe laissez-faire right-winger whose ideas aren't even embraced by our nation's Republican Party. You could be a more Ayn Rand-leaning Libertarian type, but that'd depend on where you stand with regard to government intervention in social issues.

And did you seriously just use the word "rationalize" as if it were a bad thing? My sincere apologies for conforming to reason.

stop....you're giving steven a raging woody

[Longview 0]

Pre-school is just a babysitting place.

Sounds like you've seen some pretty lousy pre-Kindergarten programs.

Day care programs certainly are, but government-run daycare for single working parents is another matter entirely. Clinton's proposal looks to simply be a single-grade extension of the current public school system, not an American version of Canada's daycare provisions.

[smoke20 0]

thought i better get that off there

Edited July 24, 2007 by smoke20