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As the debate on illegal immigration continues on this board, I thought I'd share this article fro National Review which is a conservative publication.

It does provide some insight into the motivations behind the Bill albeit from a concservative viewpoint.

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Double Agent Karl

Machiavelli takes a look at the immigration bill.

By John O'Sullivan

From the desk of Nick Machiavelli, Senior Partner, Machiavelli, O’Blarney, Iago, Alcibiades, and Morris, Political Consultants

To: Karl Rove, The Smoke-Filled Room, Air Force One, Somewhere in North America

My Dear Karl,

When Lilith picked up your call on the answering service, I told her firmly that we must not say “I told you so.” And we won’t, really. But since you ask, I don’t think this thing is going to work.

Take a look, first, at the coalition you have assembled behind what you call “comprehensive immigration reform.” It’s a coalition of opposites — corporate America and Big Labor, left-wing ethnic lobbies like La Raza and the Republican National Committee, the Catholic bishops and left-wing Democrats, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal.

To use your native language, though, it’s all hat and no cattle. In theory all these groups should add up to three quarters or more of the American people. But you can’t get even a bare majority in any poll for the bill that’s now before the Senate — however deceptively you word the questions.

Worse, the more information the pollsters give those questioned — about current levels of immigration, alternative policies, fiscal costs — the more strongly they oppose the legislation. So you need to get hurry this bill through the entire legislative process before Americans learn what’s in it.

Sure, I know you hope to get it through the Senate before Memorial Day weekend, when the senators will meet their constituents and feel some very intense heat. And that would be something — but not much. It would still have to get through the House after Memorial Day.

And after only two days your coalition of opposites is already beginning to break up. The Democrats don’t like the switch from an immigration policy based on reuniting families (well, families that vote Democrat anyway) to one of importing the skills America needs.

And Big Business is unhappy at being asked to check whether new employees are in the U.S. legally.

You and I know their fears are groundless. The restrictions are only — what’s the phrase? — “#######-bait for Bubba.” Teddy Kennedy’s staff wrote the bill with loopholes specially designed to undercut the restrictions. Democrats can drive all the voting families — and corporate America all the low-skilled workers — they want through these loopholes in refrigerated trucks.

Alas, Karl, you can hardly say so publicly — or, in these days of unpatriotic leaks, even privately. So this round of immigration reform is in trouble as its supporters bail out.

Over the weekend the New York Times jumped off the bandwagon. Senate leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have both threatened to amend the bill significantly. And Senator Jon Kyl — its indispensable Republican supporter — has threatened to walk away from the bill if amendments upset its careful balance. A perfect storm is building here.

My question is: why should you mind if it fails? Indeed, why were you so keen on it in the first place? Sure, you want to safeguard cheap labor for corporate donors to the GOP — but that's not enough to explain this bill.

After all, the status quo gives cheap labor to corporate America. It will continue to do so as long as Junior Bush fails to safeguard the border and refuses to enforce employer sanctions. Though people didn’t like the status quo exactly, they weren’t as all-fired-up about it as they are about the “Not an Amnesty” bill. Junior could have continued it forever. So why this leap into damaging controversy?

Don’t tell me that the bill will win Hispanics over to the GOP? As we both know, Hispanics split roughly two-to-one for the Democrats in almost every election. Those Hispanics who lean Republican are generally hostile to illegal immigration. So the two main political effects of this national row over immigration are to dispirit the GOP's non-Hispanic base while driving Hispanic Republicans into the arms of the Democrats by “racializing” the immigration issue — i.e., by making it a test of ethnic loyalty.

I’m forgetting the most important point — there’s a third effect, too. If this bill goes through, it will result in citizenship down the road for between 12 and 20 million Hispanics, mainly poor, mainly low-skilled, and so mainly Democratic voters. That represents a net gain of between four and seven million votes for the Democrats at the very least. That’s why the Democrats are supporting this bill.

Notice, however, that they are supporting it very quietly, leaving the heavy lifting to you and the Senate Republicans. They know the legislation alienates their non-Hispanic supporters as well, not least Black America, and they need cover.

Of course, what a fool I’ve been! That explains everything. Karl, you’re working for the Democrats. I am, as ever, in awe.

Your friend and pupil,

Nick

P.S. My usual fee — plus I won’t say anything. Think of it as your own personal amnesty.

John O’Sullivan is the editor-at-large of National Review and author of The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister. This first appeared in the Chicago Sun-Times and is reprinted with permission

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No sh*t! I figured this out a long time ago and I'm just a lowly offshore oilfield worker that turns valves on and off on the Gulf of Mexico. You don't have to be a nuclear physicist to figure out that we are being screwed royally in every orifice. ;)

"Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave."

"...for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process."

US Congresswoman Barbara Jordan (D-TX)

Testimony to the House Immigration Subcommittee, February 24, 1995

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No sh*t! I figured this out a long time ago and I'm just a lowly offshore oilfield worker that turns valves on and off on the Gulf of Mexico. You don't have to be a nuclear physicist to figure out that we are being screwed royally in every orifice. ;)

In that case peejay, as one of the infamous male chauvinists- whose name I can't recall said ,"if you can't fight it, then you might as well enjoy it" :lol:

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No sh*t! I figured this out a long time ago and I'm just a lowly offshore oilfield worker that turns valves on and off on the Gulf of Mexico. You don't have to be a nuclear physicist to figure out that we are being screwed royally in every orifice. ;)

In that case peejay, as one of the infamous male chauvinists- whose name I can't recall said ,"if you can't fight it, then you might as well enjoy it" :lol:

They wouldn't like it (nor would I). At best...I'd just lay there and sweat. At worst...they'd end up with a dose of something that will stay with them long after I'm gone. ;)

Something memorable to remember me by.

"Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave."

"...for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process."

US Congresswoman Barbara Jordan (D-TX)

Testimony to the House Immigration Subcommittee, February 24, 1995

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No sh*t! I figured this out a long time ago and I'm just a lowly offshore oilfield worker that turns valves on and off on the Gulf of Mexico. You don't have to be a nuclear physicist to figure out that we are being screwed royally in every orifice. ;)

Its been going on a lot longer than this "Not-An-Amnesty" Bill... whats the debt now, over 9,000,000,000,000 dollars? Or am I forgetting 3 more zeros... I love the "Don't worry, America is the center of the world, and the other countries will never actually ask for that money back" rationale...

Uh oh.. here they come again... :crying::help:

Your absence runs through me like a needle

Everything I do

Is stitched with your color

Married in 2005

I-130

2/6 NOA1

5/11 touch

5-10 Approval for both 129F and I-130

129F

2/14 applied

3/01 NOA1

5/1-11 a few touches

5-10 Approval for both 129F and I-130

5-21 sent to NVC

5-22 129F recieved @ NVC

5-29 forwarded to Embassy

6-12 interview date set (discovered, rather) ... (still no NOA2)

6-22 email notification of NAO2 for I-130

6-27 email notification of NOA2 for 129F

7-15 Medical appointment - Docs say she has pneumonia and want to run 2 months + $2K USD of tests.

7-19 interview

7-20 informed that she has cleared medical. Documents not yet forwarded to Embassy, they will not release them to her, saying they must deliver the documents themselves. (Not true. many people had their medical papers @ the interview)

7-21 Missed flight

7-25 Docs recieved by embassy, visa all ready to go

7-27 Visa revieved

7-28 ARRIVED IN USA!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

...

waiting for AOS NOA

9-28 5 page RFE sent :(

10-7 RFE recieved

 

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