Bill Keller tells people not to vote for Romney

[mawilson 2,133]

Uh...I bet you wouldn't have voted for Bush if he was a satanist, an atheist, a wiccan, or a druid.

Or a droid..... d'oh!

[GaryC 7]

I personally don't care what religion a candidate is. As has been debated before a person doesn't need to be religious to be moral and a religious person isn't necessarily moral. I am (barely) old enough to remember how Kennedy had a problem because he was the first Catholic president. People were worried that he took his orders from the Vatican. It turned out to not be the case. If Romney is elected I am sure he wouldn't take his orders from Salt Lake City. It's his stance on issues that would make me vote or not vote for him.

Uh...I bet you wouldn't have voted for Bush if he was a satanist, an atheist, a wiccan, or a druid.

As long as his past voting record didn't reflect his religion then it wouldn't make a difference to me. I am somewhat different than the majority of christian conservitives. Your beliefs are your own business. As long as a politian reflects my views on what should be done I could care less what his or her relationship to God is.

[homesick_american 1]

I personally don't care what religion a candidate is. As has been debated before a person doesn't need to be religious to be moral and a religious person isn't necessarily moral. I am (barely) old enough to remember how Kennedy had a problem because he was the first Catholic president. People were worried that he took his orders from the Vatican. It turned out to not be the case. If Romney is elected I am sure he wouldn't take his orders from Salt Lake City. It's his stance on issues that would make me vote or not vote for him.

Uh...I bet you wouldn't have voted for Bush if he was a satanist, an atheist, a wiccan, or a druid.

As long as his past voting record didn't reflect his religion then it wouldn't make a difference to me. I am somewhat different than the majority of christian conservitives. Your beliefs are your own business. As long as a politian reflects my views on what should be done I could care less what his or her relationship to God is.

You'll pardon me if I don't believe a single word of that. I am 100% certain it would have made a difference.

[GaryC 7]

I personally don't care what religion a candidate is. As has been debated before a person doesn't need to be religious to be moral and a religious person isn't necessarily moral. I am (barely) old enough to remember how Kennedy had a problem because he was the first Catholic president. People were worried that he took his orders from the Vatican. It turned out to not be the case. If Romney is elected I am sure he wouldn't take his orders from Salt Lake City. It's his stance on issues that would make me vote or not vote for him.

Uh...I bet you wouldn't have voted for Bush if he was a satanist, an atheist, a wiccan, or a druid.

As long as his past voting record didn't reflect his religion then it wouldn't make a difference to me. I am somewhat different than the majority of christian conservitives. Your beliefs are your own business. As long as a politian reflects my views on what should be done I could care less what his or her relationship to God is.

You'll pardon me if I don't believe a single word of that. I am 100% certain it would have made a difference.

Too bad, that is the way I feel and I vote. Your choice to believe me or not.

[mawilson 2,133]

You'll pardon me if I don't believe a single word of that. I am 100% certain it would have made a difference.

Why? Gary is conservative but he's not some religious lunatic.

[homesick_american 1]

You'll pardon me if I don't believe a single word of that. I am 100% certain it would have made a difference.

Why? Gary is conservative but he's not some religious lunatic.

What...you have to be a religious lunatic for a candidate's religion to matter to you? I don't buy that.

Bush wouldn't have even been nominated if he was an atheist or wiccan, so it's a moot point anyway. Gary wouldn't have had to make the choice, it would have been made for him.

[GaryC 7]

To expand on that a little more let me tell you a few other things that I believe. I believe that abortion is wrong, not because of any religious beliefs but because I just think it is murder. On the other hand I think birth control and embreo research is good. Even though I am Baptist I would vote for Romney even if he is a Morman. I would even vote for Lieberman even though he is Jewish. I believe in the seperation of church and state in the original intent of the constitution. The state should not establish a national religion. That doesn't mean that God has to be kicked out of government as long as it isn't dictated or forced upon someone. For me acting in a moral way is the only consideration and not how someone worships or doesn't worship.

[Portlander 0]

Does Romney's Momanism concern me? Not in the least. Pardon my lack of faith (pun intended) but I don't think any ANYONE these days who seriously aspisres to the office of President is, shall we say, bound by religious laws, except insofar is it makes good press...

As far as Mormanism goes - anyone watch the South Park episode on Mormons? Its pretty much right on, historically. Mormanism is very cultish. The history is that of a stereotypical cult, complete with direct communication from God and polygamy. It is a WACKY WACKY religion.

They say that Native Americans were outcast Jews and that their skin is dark BECUASE THEY ARE SINNERS.

It s in the book that the more you sin the darker your skin gets. Most people think that has more to do with the Sun. After the Civil Rights movemnt, the church leaders, who apparantly have DIRECT COMMUNION WITH GOD heard from God that God had changed his mind about that.

These guys have a LOT of money. Everyone is supposed to give 10% of their pre-tax income to the Mormons, and a lot of people do. they make more $$ than most governments and they invest it. LDS owns a large percentage of Coke, and while it is against their faith the consume caffiene or any other psycoactive drug (including, by the letter of the law, sugar, as a "sugar high" is indeed psychotropic!) IT WAS LEGAL TO DRINK COKE, BUT NOT PEPSI.

There are some very very very wierd things going on, and pardon me if I don't trust them.

Again, Romney's own status doesn't bother me. He wouldn't do anything they told him except insofar is it related to votes. Jaded, yes, but more than likely true!

I would be very happy to see Romney's run break FC hold on Republicans, though. I'm rather conservative in many ways, and the Republican Party is aparty to too many disparate points of view. I'd rather have a multi-party system with increased debate so individual issues got more attention, and the parties themselves got less. IMHO

[homesick_american 1]

To expand on that a little more let me tell you a few other things that I believe. I believe that abortion is wrong, not because of any religious beliefs but because I just think it is murder. On the other hand I think birth control and embreo research is good. Even though I am Baptist I would vote for Romney even if he is a Morman. I would even vote for Lieberman even though he is Jewish. I believe in the seperation of church and state in the original intent of the constitution. The state should not establish a national religion. That doesn't mean that God has to be kicked out of government as long as it isn't dictated or forced upon someone. For me acting in a moral way is the only consideration and not how someone worships or doesn't worship.

I still don't believe you'd vote for an atheist, wiccan, druid, or satan-worshipping Bush. I mean, you can SAY you would vote for him...and I can not believe you...and we won't get anywhere.

Plus, it's very easy to say what you WOULD do in situations that have not and never will exist. I could say...if I ever had a trillion dollars, I'd give a billion of it to feed starving children. Makes me sound generous, right?

[Portlander 0]

A recent scientific "Would you vote for a..." poll said that more people would vote for a homosexual than for a Mormon, but Mormons were still some 6 times higher than athiests!

Hes a rich man - 250 million or more. And more than 10% of that went to LDS.... pre-tax.

Edited May 12, 2007 by Portlander

[homesick_american 1]

A recent scientific "Would you vote for a..." poll said that more people would vote for a homosexual than for a Mormon, but Mormons were still some 6 times higher than athiests!

Yep...polls like this show how a lot of people think.

The thing is, I can't be too critical of people who wouldn't vote for an atheist because there are religious groups I would not vote for.

[GaryC 7]

A recent scientific "Would you vote for a..." poll said that more people would vote for a homosexual than for a Mormon, but Mormons were still some 6 times higher than athiests!

Yep...polls like this show how a lot of people think.

The thing is, I can't be too critical of people who wouldn't vote for an atheist because there are religious groups I would not vote for.

While your right that this country isn't ready for a national candidate that is an openly pagan I still wouldn't mind a wiccan or druid. An active satanist would give me heartburn though not because of the fact I disagree strongly with his religion but because of the moral issues involved. I have to admit I know little of satanists and my natural phobias would probably take over. Besides, someone that practices satanism would probably not be conservative and that would stop me from voting for them.

My point is this. A persons religion has very little to do with my support. It is their policies that cause me to vote for them. If a conservative pagan came along that had already shown with his or her past record that they vote the way I feel I would not discount them because of their beliefs.

[homesick_american 1]

While your right that this country isn't ready for a national candidate that is an openly pagan I still wouldn't mind a wiccan or druid. An active satanist would give me heartburn though not because of the fact I disagree strongly with his religion but because of the moral issues involved. I have to admit I know little of satanists and my natural phobias would probably take over. Besides, someone that practices satanism would probably not be conservative and that would stop me from voting for them.

My point is this. A persons religion has very little to do with my support. It is their policies that cause me to vote for them. If a conservative pagan came along that had already shown with his or her past record that they vote the way I feel I would not discount them because of their beliefs.

Like I said...it's all well and good to say that, but when it came down to it I doubt you'd knowingly vote for a pagan. I'm not saying you're a bad person for it. Personally, I have issues with Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, and other religions that I personally consider to be cults. I don't object to people from any religion holding public office, but there are certain people I simply will not vote for. Not to insult any Mormons here, but the more I learn about the Mormon religion, the more I have doubts about the judgement of its followers.

[pedroh 21]

i didn't even know he was a mormon... lol... i don't think his religious would interfere with public policy.. although... mhh, the 'crusader' president is not very lay....

[Portlander 0]

Not to insult any Mormons here, but the more I learn about the Mormon religion, the more I have doubts about the judgement of its followers.

That exact sentiment, btw, is what Bush has been able to parlay into blind faith.... The idea that "liberals" disapprove of the Christian Right + Southerners in general is a gold mine for Bush to not just get people to the polls (to piss of the "liberals" if nothing else) but also to obfuscate the issues (i.e. "Of course there are WMDs in Iraq - its only those liberals who say that just because they think were stupid!" or so)

Of course, I agree with you. For me, simply reading a few random excerpts from the Book of Mormon was enough to completely deliver me from the Latter Day Saints. Did I mention that it is a wacky religion? I seriously do not mean any offense to Mormons reading this. It is absolutely nothing personal, and I am certianly not setting myself as more intelligent than any of the 12.5 million Mormons out there, ... afterall anyone can make mistakes! what the heck were you thinking?!??!

http://www.mormonwiki.com/mormonism/Main_Page

BTW - anyone ever see the movie Orgazmo?