Did He Buy the Guns Legally?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Anyone deemed a danger to themselves and/or others should not be allowed to buy a firearm and IMO their right to privacy is trumped by public safety. It's amazing that it's a 6-12 month process to determine if the fiancee or spouse of a USC is allowed to immigrate here but nearly a rubber stamp if someone wants to purchase a firearm.

But that information cannot be made available without first removing that right to privacy from everyone to begin with...

What's wrong with having everyone submit to a psych exam as part of the application process?

That's exactly what I was going to suggest.

1st of all, there is no quickie psych test or eval...that will determine this..the best would be the mmpi or the cpi and spin-offs..2nd, it is a long test and has to be scored and eval.. third, the cost factor and the lack of enough trained professionals..there are many applications for guns daily..probably the waiitng list be in the months, if not years ...not practical

If we're talking about making sure gun owners are not a danger to themselves or the public then cost and time shouldn't be a factor - practical or not. Again, all of us here are going through a long and expensive visa process. Why is it so easy to determine a person is fit to be a gun owner when it takes so long to determine if a person is fit to be a visa holder?

i like the idea, but it never fly in the states or with the feds...i bought a gun at a gas station once with a box of shells in kansas...and i see no change in the process as the VT, will only add to the concealed weapon argument, more than stricker gun control laws...hell, he bought one of the guns off the internet

Link please

You can buy guns on the internet but one FFL (Federal Firearms License) holder ships to your local FFL holder.

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Link please

You can buy guns on the internet but one FFL (Federal Firearms License) holder ships to your local FFL holder.

As with anything in the States, there are a bunch of exceptions to this (BATF C&R licenses, antique rifles, etc, etc, etc).

For most purchases, an 01 FFL is needed for an out-of-state transfer.

Buying in-state (private sale) requires almost nothing of the buyer and seller (depending on the state). Here in Florida, you can pretty much sell a gun to anyone, as long as you know that they live in the state, and do not know that they are prohibited from owning/buying the gun. There are no background checks in such a sale that I know of. Most private sales are between individuals who know each other, and tend to both own lots of guns anyway.

Firearms laws are very complicated, very few people know all of them. (Even police and FFL holders).

[sparkofcreation 0]

Oh for pity's sakes.

I don't know what Kristen Rand is smoking, but "adjudicated mentally defective" is a LEGAL term used when a JUDGE declares someone to be no longer capable of dealing with their own issues, otherwise known as "declared mentally incompetent." It's used with elderly people who are suffering from dementia, or sometimes with younger people who have severe brain damage or organic brain disorders, so that another family member can make legal decisions for them.

As far as I know, no judge had ever held that he was "mentally defective" or "mentally incompetent" because he WASN'T. Doubtless he was crazy, but incompetent? No.

She should learn to check whether what she's saying has any basis in law before shooting off her big mouth, upsetting people, and making an already tragic situation worse. The irresponsibility of her statement pisses me off.

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

Anyone deemed a danger to themselves and/or others should not be allowed to buy a firearm and IMO their right to privacy is trumped by public safety. It's amazing that it's a 6-12 month process to determine if the fiancee or spouse of a USC is allowed to immigrate here but nearly a rubber stamp if someone wants to purchase a firearm.

But that information cannot be made available without first removing that right to privacy from everyone to begin with...

What's wrong with having everyone submit to a psych exam as part of the application process?

That's exactly what I was going to suggest.

1st of all, there is no quickie psych test or eval...that will determine this..the best would be the mmpi or the cpi and spin-offs..2nd, it is a long test and has to be scored and eval.. third, the cost factor and the lack of enough trained professionals..there are many applications for guns daily..probably the waiitng list be in the months, if not years ...not practical

If we're talking about making sure gun owners are not a danger to themselves or the public then cost and time shouldn't be a factor - practical or not. Again, all of us here are going through a long and expensive visa process. Why is it so easy to determine a person is fit to be a gun owner when it takes so long to determine if a person is fit to be a visa holder?

i like the idea, but it never fly in the states or with the feds...i bought a gun at a gas station once with a box of shells in kansas...and i see no change in the process as the VT, will only add to the concealed weapon argument, more than stricker gun control laws...hell, he bought one of the guns off the internet

Link please

You can buy guns on the internet but one FFL (Federal Firearms License) holder ships to your local FFL holder.

very true....and then the ffl holder does the check. been there and done that

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh for pity's sakes.

I don't know what Kristen Rand is smoking, but "adjudicated mentally defective" is a LEGAL term used when a JUDGE declares someone to be no longer capable of dealing with their own issues, otherwise known as "declared mentally incompetent." It's used with elderly people who are suffering from dementia, or sometimes with younger people who have severe brain damage or organic brain disorders, so that another family member can make legal decisions for them.

As far as I know, no judge had ever held that he was "mentally defective" or "mentally incompetent" because he WASN'T. Doubtless he was crazy, but incompetent? No.

She should learn to check whether what she's saying has any basis in law before shooting off her big mouth, upsetting people, and making an already tragic situation worse. The irresponsibility of her statement pisses me off.

Its a cheap shot at deflecting attention from the gun-control issue and putting the blame on the healthcare industry. Like most other issues its being turned into a partisan finger-pointing circus. Clearly there are questions to be asked as to why a clearly disturbed man was permitted to remain in college after a string of behavioural incidents and wasn't remanded into some sort of residential psychiatric care. But taking that into account clearly something went very wrong (on a number of levels) that enabled this disturbed man access to deadly weapons.