What is wrong with the Egyptian gov't.???!!!!!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I have not separated the women that are on this site as arab or non-arab as far as being pointed out for "odd" relationships. Only the fact that you cannot tell what is in that relationship as an outside person regardless of ethinicity. You are trying to make this all about ethnicity when really it is just about respect for other ppl. There can be red flags for each relationship to address, but that doesn't mean that relationship should be questioned as to the validity. ANY relationship once we finally are together can run into hard times no matter how solid a foundation in the beginning or even further down the road.

What is abundantly clear, Becky, is that is is totally ok to single out certain types as fraud targets, but others are sacred cows. The ole, "I can speak ill of you, but don't you dare speak ill of me" routine.

The sacred cows be damned. If we are going to talk about oddites, we can talk about those that don't exclude the majority, not just those that tend to offend only a few.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ehether it does or doesn't, I am not anti arab. I am anti know it all and the things you say are just bogus. You did not make my list cause I am not here to create lists or be right. I think you do a huge disservice to the mixed couples on here and I think you are self rightous and anti western woman. You aren't god and you are not immune to the same stuff these girls are facing.

You go on and on about how being arab makes you an authority on arabs. I am American and I am not the authority on why American men do what they do. These guys have lots of reasons for looking outside the arab world for wives. This is evidenced by a huge number of Arab men with papers NOT marrying arabs. Money, family pressure.. problems back home..

I am on your list..

woopdy doo...

If you can tell me what I sound like to you (anti-western), then I can tell you what you sound like to me (Anti-Arab women). If you can say I'll be tossed aside due to my age, I can tell you that your defensiveness makes me question your relationship.

I'm sure you're more comfortable criticizing fat women and older women, but can't take it when someone says something that cuts too close to home. WooHoo to you, too!

Edited April 24, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Ehether it does or doesn't, I am not anti arab. I am anti know it all and the things you say are just bogus. You did not make my list cause I am not here to create lists or be right. I think you do a huge disservice to the mixed couples on here and I think you are self rightous and anti western woman. You aren't god and you are not immune to the same stuff these girls are facing.

You go on and on about how being arab makes you an authority on arabs. I am American and I am not the authority on why American men do what they do. These guys have lots of reasons for looking outside the arab world for wives. This is evidenced by a huge number of Arab men with papers NOT marrying arabs. Money, family pressure.. problems back home..

I am on your list..

woopdy doo...

If you can tell me what I sound like to you (anti-western), then I can tell you what you sound like to me (Anti-Arab women). If you can say I'll be tossed aside due to my age, I can tell you that your defensiveness makes me question your relationship.

I'm sure you're more comfortable criticizing fat women and older women, but can't take it when someone says something that cuts too close to home. WooHoo to you, too!

I don't wish you unhappiness but you have done a pretty good job of wishing it on some of these non arab women and you come off really self rightous...intentional or not

[Becky&Sam 0]

I have not separated the women that are on this site as arab or non-arab as far as being pointed out for "odd" relationships. Only the fact that you cannot tell what is in that relationship as an outside person regardless of ethinicity. You are trying to make this all about ethnicity when really it is just about respect for other ppl. There can be red flags for each relationship to address, but that doesn't mean that relationship should be questioned as to the validity. ANY relationship once we finally are together can run into hard times no matter how solid a foundation in the beginning or even further down the road.

What is abundantly clear, Becky, is that is is totally ok to single out certain types as fraud targets, but others are sacred cows. The ole, "I can speak ill of you, but don't you dare speak ill of me" routine.

The sacred cows be damned. If we are going to talk about oddites, we can talk about those that don't exclude the majority, not just those that tend to offend only a few.

No clear at all to me. What I am talking about is discussing things that can be red flags, but not personally questioning the validity of that relationship. I have not spoken ill of you and have only expressed my opinions just have you have. It is sad that you have to take everything as a personal attack upon you when we are all trying to have a discussion here.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ehether it does or doesn't, I am not anti arab. I am anti know it all and the things you say are just bogus. You did not make my list cause I am not here to create lists or be right. I think you do a huge disservice to the mixed couples on here and I think you are self rightous and anti western woman. You aren't god and you are not immune to the same stuff these girls are facing.

You go on and on about how being arab makes you an authority on arabs. I am American and I am not the authority on why American men do what they do. These guys have lots of reasons for looking outside the arab world for wives. This is evidenced by a huge number of Arab men with papers NOT marrying arabs. Money, family pressure.. problems back home..

I am on your list..

woopdy doo...

If you can tell me what I sound like to you (anti-western), then I can tell you what you sound like to me (Anti-Arab women). If you can say I'll be tossed aside due to my age, I can tell you that your defensiveness makes me question your relationship.

I'm sure you're more comfortable criticizing fat women and older women, but can't take it when someone says something that cuts too close to home. WooHoo to you, too!

I don't wish you unhappiness but you have done a pretty good job of wishing it on some of these non arab women and you come off really self rightous...intentional or not

Your perceptions of what I said (and that is all they are) are your responsibility, not mine. I didn't single you out, didn't even notice you, before you got up in my face. You made a point of becoming personally insulting when I had made valid observations based on a lifetime of being Arab and living among Arab men. Sorry if my views don't jibe with yours, but that didn't mean I wished unhappiness on anyone. I have every damn right to point out my views on what I see as oddities, when we are discussing just that.

My cultural points of view are not going to be the same as a white, western, non-Arab, non-Muslim woman, but that is just to be expected because that's not what I am. If you are that, and you choose to marry an Arab Muslim man, you have to learn to live with views that are different from yours and not always flattering to you, and some of them will come from Arab women. No use in dissing the women who raised your man!

I have not separated the women that are on this site as arab or non-arab as far as being pointed out for "odd" relationships. Only the fact that you cannot tell what is in that relationship as an outside person regardless of ethinicity. You are trying to make this all about ethnicity when really it is just about respect for other ppl. There can be red flags for each relationship to address, but that doesn't mean that relationship should be questioned as to the validity. ANY relationship once we finally are together can run into hard times no matter how solid a foundation in the beginning or even further down the road.

What is abundantly clear, Becky, is that is is totally ok to single out certain types as fraud targets, but others are sacred cows. The ole, "I can speak ill of you, but don't you dare speak ill of me" routine.

The sacred cows be damned. If we are going to talk about oddites, we can talk about those that don't exclude the majority, not just those that tend to offend only a few.

No clear at all to me. What I am talking about is discussing things that can be red flags, but not personally questioning the validity of that relationship. I have not spoken ill of you and have only expressed my opinions just have you have. It is sad that you have to take everything as a personal attack upon you when we are all trying to have a discussion here.

Oh, yea. No one else has seen my comments as a personal attack on them, have they? I'm just trying to discuss too, so let me.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Ehether it does or doesn't, I am not anti arab. I am anti know it all and the things you say are just bogus. You did not make my list cause I am not here to create lists or be right. I think you do a huge disservice to the mixed couples on here and I think you are self rightous and anti western woman. You aren't god and you are not immune to the same stuff these girls are facing.

You go on and on about how being arab makes you an authority on arabs. I am American and I am not the authority on why American men do what they do. These guys have lots of reasons for looking outside the arab world for wives. This is evidenced by a huge number of Arab men with papers NOT marrying arabs. Money, family pressure.. problems back home..

I am on your list..

woopdy doo...

If you can tell me what I sound like to you (anti-western), then I can tell you what you sound like to me (Anti-Arab women). If you can say I'll be tossed aside due to my age, I can tell you that your defensiveness makes me question your relationship.

I'm sure you're more comfortable criticizing fat women and older women, but can't take it when someone says something that cuts too close to home. WooHoo to you, too!

I don't wish you unhappiness but you have done a pretty good job of wishing it on some of these non arab women and you come off really self rightous...intentional or not

Your perceptions of what I said (and that is all they are) are your responsibility, not mine. I didn't single you out, didn't even notice you, before you got up in my face. You made a point of becoming personally insulting when I had made valid observations based on a lifetime of being Arab and living among Arab men. Sorry if my views don't jibe with yours, but that didn't mean I wished unhappiness on anyone. I have every damn right to point out my views on what I see as oddities, when we are discussing just that.

My cultural points of view are not going to be the same as a white, western, non-Arab, non-Muslim woman, but that is just to be expected because that's not what I am. If you are that, and you choose to marry an Arab Muslim man, you have to learn to live with views that are different from yours and not always flattering to you, and some of them will come from Arab women. No use in dissing the women who raised your man!

I have not separated the women that are on this site as arab or non-arab as far as being pointed out for "odd" relationships. Only the fact that you cannot tell what is in that relationship as an outside person regardless of ethinicity. You are trying to make this all about ethnicity when really it is just about respect for other ppl. There can be red flags for each relationship to address, but that doesn't mean that relationship should be questioned as to the validity. ANY relationship once we finally are together can run into hard times no matter how solid a foundation in the beginning or even further down the road.

What is abundantly clear, Becky, is that is is totally ok to single out certain types as fraud targets, but others are sacred cows. The ole, "I can speak ill of you, but don't you dare speak ill of me" routine.

The sacred cows be damned. If we are going to talk about oddites, we can talk about those that don't exclude the majority, not just those that tend to offend only a few.

No clear at all to me. What I am talking about is discussing things that can be red flags, but not personally questioning the validity of that relationship. I have not spoken ill of you and have only expressed my opinions just have you have. It is sad that you have to take everything as a personal attack upon you when we are all trying to have a discussion here.

Oh, yea. No one else has seen my comments as a personal attack on them, have they? I'm just trying to discuss too, so let me.

Oh please...I am dissing the woman who raised my man? oh brother....tab tab

[Sofiyya 1,687]

wahrania, you got very defensive and personally insulting very quickly and have remained that way. Do you not expect to get a response that reflects what you put out? Don't be surprised that you did.

[ya falaha! 0]

GEG said, you're dissing the women who raised your man, not woman. Meaning Arab women.

[peezey 0]

He told me when an American woman loves you its for you.. he told me he feels like his wallet is open when he deals with arabs.

How many women here are supporting their Arab husbands and/or make significantly more of a financial contribution to the household? Peezey is spot on about bashing Arab women while taking the Muslim men they were raised to marry and providing them with opportunity they wouldn't have if they stayed in their homelands.

again... being Arab is not going to make you bullet proof from greencard fraud nor does being an american fat woman make you destined for it..

I know some happy fat girls married to arabs with cute little babies and I know some arab women who are THIN who are crying in their cous cous when Samir left them for a russian stripper... or some other hotty...

Whats with you and fat girls? Do you have issues with other people's rear ends? Gees you sound like a know it all.

You're missing a whole lot of history here, she isn't bashing fat women, but we've discussed this at length here prior to now.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

wahrania, you got very defensive and personally insulting very quickly and have remained that way. Do you not expect to get a response that reflects what you put out? Don't be surprised that you did.

I think you know very well the exact things you said that could be construed as anti western.

I am not saying you are incorrect about everything but you really come off as a know it all

and not liking what you have to say has nothing to do with arab women. I don't see any other arab women on here saying the things you are saying.

If it makes you feel better to say the things you do.. have at it... I just hope some woman doesn't question her relationship based on your goofball outlook on things.

again

being an arab is not a silver bullet to avoiding greencard fraud.. You can get played just as hard as some of the women on here can and arab women are not always the best fit for arab men. It depends on the individual man and his personality and what makes him happy. Some of these western women are the best thing to happen to these arab men spiritually and emotionally..

And this whole dissing thing you are saying is just goofy

[peezey 0]

I don't . I just think some of your statements are anti western women and you come off as if you are the expert on arab men.

Sometimes being one of them doesn't give you the perspective of what outsiders see. I think that people are individuals and all cases are different

And again

Being arab doesn't make you immune to greencard fraud or a better fit than some of these western women. Some of these western women will have marriages that are amazing. Its a disservice to arabs in general to make these stupid statements.

I think you are anti western woman. You better smell some coffee. You as an older woman may get tossed aside when some younger cutie hottie comes along from back home and you are looking kind of rough. All the language, shared culture etc may not be enough to keep your own ship floating. Some of these American women are in a lot better position than you to hold on to their man..

By the way... American men can be total pigs too and do crappy things... which leads me to believe why half of the american women chose the arabs anyway

You really aren't getting it. The few of us married to arabs and your little stories of people you know are not NORMAL in the arab world. Why is that so hard to comprehend for you?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It's easy to say that being Arab doesn't make me an authority on Arabs, but I've been Arab for a hell of a long time, and not only that, I study Arabs and Muslims for a living, teaching Americans how to live among them in the MENA. I may come off as a know-it-all to some, but that is mostly because you don't like what I'm saying, I don't back down, and because you have no other support for your argument than to insult me.

I'll have to leave it at that, for now. Peezey, you are more than capable to carry on with the legitimate point we were trying to make. Cya later, ladies!

Edited April 24, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[doodlebug 3]

Oh, yea. No one else has seen my comments as a personal attack on them, have they? I'm just trying to discuss too, so let me.

Actually many have but they just don't want to go up against you since you seem to be the mena bully these days.

[peezey 0]

I have not separated the women that are on this site as arab or non-arab as far as being pointed out for "odd" relationships. Only the fact that you cannot tell what is in that relationship as an outside person regardless of ethinicity. You are trying to make this all about ethnicity when really it is just about respect for other ppl. There can be red flags for each relationship to address, but that doesn't mean that relationship should be questioned as to the validity. ANY relationship once we finally are together can run into hard times no matter how solid a foundation in the beginning or even further down the road.

How it is you can disregard the reality of the arab social and cultural and religious world is beyond me.

[Becky&Sam 0]

Oh, yea. No one else has seen my comments as a personal attack on them, have they? I'm just trying to discuss too, so let me.

Actually many have but they just don't want to go up against you since you seem to be the mena bully these days.

I agree with you on that doodlebug!!!!