Americans Would Rather Do Business With White People Than Black People

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Americans Would Rather Do Business With White People Than Black People

BY BRYCE COVERT

MAY 30, 2014 AT 11:33 AM UPDATED: MAY 30, 2014 AT 11:59 AM

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There is deep racial bias in our economy, as evidenced by the fact that online buyers shy away from doing business with black sellers and offer them less money when they do interact.

In a year-long experiment, researchers posted ads on online marketplaces like Craigslist selling an old iPod with a picture of the seller holding it, with either a black person or white person’s hand pictured. They also posted ads with a white hand that had a wrist tattoo, which the authors posited might experience similar discrimination to black people and could serve as a control group.

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“Our paper asks the following question,” the authors write. “When the typical person engages in a consumer transaction (usually as a buyer), does he or she try to avoid dealing with minority sellers, and does she treat minority sellers differently?” The answer appears to be yes.

Black sellers got 13 percent fewer responses to their ads than white sellers overall. When they did get responses, they got 17 percent fewer offers. Then the offers were 2 to 4 percent lower, or $1.87 less on average than those made to white sellers. The best offers were also $3.56 lower than for white people.

The researchers also found that buyers were less respectful and more distrustful with black sellers. About 7 percent fewer people signed their names when responding to a black person. They were 44 percent less likely to accept delivery by mail and 56 percent more likely to be concerned about paying long distance, such as through PayPal, both of which include a bit more risk than an in-person hand off.

And even those who weren’t responding treated black sellers differently. Ads on these sites can be flagged as inappropriate and they will be taken down if enough people flag them. And black people’s ads were removed in this way 2.7 percent more often that for white people, so “the likelihood is thus almost twice as high that a black seller’s ad will be removed,” the authors note.

These findings my seem incidental, occurring just between online sellers and buyers, but they indicate something larger. As the authors explain, “First, a large amount of commerce takes places through these kinds of transactions. Second, discrimination by consumers may in fact underlie other forms of discrimination.” Given that most online sales require an eventual real life meet up to complete the transaction, “we expect that our results will be informative about discrimination offline,” they write. And if people shy away from buying things from black sellers, that could shape decisions made by actual retail companies when hiring sales people. One study found that consumer discrimination is the most likely cause of racial differences in the economy.

The results of the study can help illuminate why unemployment has consistently been significantly higher for black people than for white people, both during recessions and boom times. This is true even for college graduates, who have had higher unemployment rates for decades. Even 40 percent of recent college who do get jobs end up working in low-paying positions that don’t make use of their degrees.

Studies have helped to unearth racial bias holding black people back, rather than laziness or lacking a “culture of work.” Companies that drug test employees are more likely to hire black workers because in the absence of tests, employers assume black people use drugs and screen them out. When applications are sent in to postings for entry-level jobs, equally qualified black applications are half as likely as white ones to get a call for an interview or a job offer. But most of the bias that black people face today is subtle, not manifesting in outright hostility but in white people giving favorable treatment to those who look like them.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/05/30/3443205/black-online-sellers/

[Karee 4,190]

Maybe some of them are scared off by the crime statistics in this country.

It major findings were stated as:^[3]

• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When Blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-Blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the White rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is Black and Hispanic.
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving Blacks and Whites, Blacks commit 85 percent and Whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are Black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When Whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are Black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a White than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than Whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

Source: http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime#United_States

Now before I clicked post on this one, I decided to find out who Metapedia is. Seems like they're wannabe Nazis

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Metapedia

Origin and history

Metapedia was created by Anders Lagerström of Linköping, a Swedish neo-Nazi activist who has been convicted for violent offenses, including assaulting a police officer using tear gas, and breaking and entering.^[4] The original (Swedish) Metapedia was created during late 2006.^[5] The English Metapedia, launched during May 2007, was the 4th of the now 16 language versions of Metapedia.

As of June 2010, the site appears to have awakened from a long period of inactivity. However, it still appears to be run almost entirely by only a dozen extremists.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Doesn't appear to be a very scientific survey.

The Americans in the title refers to white people? Do only whites shop online?

[Peikko 1,575]

How many sellers post pictures holding the product they are selling? All this tells you is that if you choose to resell a low dollar item, don't hold it in your hand, particularly if your skin is darker than average. I don't think that translates as people specifically avoiding specific online sellers because the majority of the time there is no way of knowing.

What I think is happening here is that there is a natural mistrust that any second hand item sold through the likes of craigslist might be stolen goods and there is a perception that a black person is more likely to sell you stolen goods than a white person. This is not a good way of determining the conclusions that are being drawn from this study though. The study is too narrow and too open to skewing due to other factors that have not been considered.

Doesn't appear to be a very scientific survey.

The Americans in the title refers to white people? Do only whites shop online?

That too.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

A whopping 13% LOl

I was privy to a conversation at work one time among several black men, Guess what. they said they preferred to not do business with fellow blacks, but rather with non-blacks. When I inquired, they told me that they felt, Blacks tend to take advantage of them, were they would not a white person. I told them I was shocked to here, this as I had no problems dealing with blacks in business. They basically said, that was because I was white.

Now before everyone lites me up with " You are racist comments" I am just merely repeating what I was told, not endorsing it or even saying it is true,

The story sounds a little sketchy. How many of the 13% fewer that did not respond were black ? HMM

Doesn't appear to be a very scientific survey.

The Americans in the title refers to white people? Do only whites shop online?

exactly see my post. I bet a fair number were AA

[2ndMessiah 184]

To be fair to Americans, they are as human as the rest of us. Distrust/Mistrust of those who are different will always be a biological issue.

America is basically owned/run by older white heterosexual Christian men. If you are of the opposite sex, your skin has more melanin, you are attracted to the same sex or you believe in some other higher power, you will always be at a disadvantage. Americans do not have monopoly on this.

As we evolve as a species, integrate more, I hope these differences become less of an issue and we can grow and become more accepting.

Edited June 1, 2014 by 2ndMessiah

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

To be fair to Americans, they are as human as the rest of us. Distrust/Mistrust of those who are different will always be a biological issue.

America is basically owned/run by older white heterosexual Christian men. If you are female, your skin has more melanin, you are attracted to the same sex or you believe in some other higher power, you will always be at a disadvantage. Americans do not have monopoly on this.

As we evolve as a species, integrate more, I hope these differences become less of an issue and we can grow and become more accepting.

You mean like this guy

[2ndMessiah 184]

He doesn't run the country. The person at the top generally hasn't a clue what is going on.Congress and the House run the country. And guess what they are full of?

Actually that makes my point. President Obama has too much melanin in his skin for the good ol boys who run the show.

Edited June 1, 2014 by 2ndMessiah

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

He doesn't run the country. The person at the top generally hasn't a clue what is going on.Congress and the House run the country. And guess what they are full of?

Ok I agree Obama is clueless. I love common ground

[Peikko 1,575]

You mean like this guy

If anything qualifies as an angry post this does.

[2ndMessiah 184]

Ok I agree Obama is clueless. I love common ground

I fear the only common ground is that we were both able to sign up for an account on Visa Journey. Sorry!

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I fear the only common ground is that we were both able to sign up for an account on Visa Journey. Sorry!

But you said the person at the top doesn't have a clue ??? Did you mean that or not?

P.S Love your sense of humor. The signing up for an account comment made me laugh loudly

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Maybe some of them are scared off by the crime statistics in this country.

Now before I clicked post on this one, I decided to find out who Metapedia is. Seems like they're wannabe Nazis

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Metapedia

According to FBI stats and arrests

Property crime 73% white

Embezzelment 70%

Counterfeiting 75.8%

Bribery 84.9%

Fraud 70.6%

Stolen property; buying, receiving, possessing 66.1% white

IF you want to use stats, based off of this, people should be far more scared to trade and invest with white males, than they should white females or black people. Most of the stats I posted were white male dominated.

Sorry Karee, use another sob story as to why you feel discrimination against black people is warranted.

Forcible rape 60.5%

Aggravated assault 63.9%

Vandalism 72.8%

Sex offenses 72.6%

Should i go on?

Charles Ponzi

Martin Fankel

Enron

John Rigas

Jerome Kerviel

Benard Ebbers and Worldcom

Jack Abramoff

Tyco

Martha Stewar

Madoff

Again, who should you be more weary of doing business with?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

According to FBI stats and arrests

Property crime 73% white

Embezzelment 70%

Counterfeiting 75.8%

Bribery 84.9%

Fraud 70.6%

Stolen property; buying, receiving, possessing 66.1% white

IF you want to use stats, based off of this, people should be far more scared to trade and invest with white males, than they should white females or black people. Most of the stats I posted were white male dominated.

Sorry Karee, use another sob story as to why you feel discrimination against black people is warranted.

Forcible rape 60.5%

Aggravated assault 63.9%

Vandalism 72.8%

Sex offenses 72.6%

Should i go on?

Charles Ponzi

Martin Fankel

Enron

John Rigas

Jerome Kerviel

Benard Ebbers and Worldcom

Jack Abramoff

Tyco

Martha Stewar

Madoff

Again, who should you be more weary of doing business with?

Please link to your stats

[Karee 4,190]

According to FBI stats and arrests

Property crime 73% white

Embezzelment 70%

Counterfeiting 75.8%

Bribery 84.9%

Fraud 70.6%

Stolen property; buying, receiving, possessing 66.1% white

IF you want to use stats, based off of this, people should be far more scared to trade and invest with white males, than they should white females or black people. Most of the stats I posted were white male dominated.

Sorry Karee, use another sob story as to why you feel discrimination against black people is warranted.

Forcible rape 60.5%

Aggravated assault 63.9%

Vandalism 72.8%

Sex offenses 72.6%

Should i go on?

Charles Ponzi

Martin Fankel

Enron

John Rigas

Jerome Kerviel

Benard Ebbers and Worldcom

Jack Abramoff

Tyco

Martha Stewar

Madoff

Again, who should you be more weary of doing business with?

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing again. I clearly stated in my post (If you even bothered to read it all) that the source I posted was from some website run be a neo nazi.

But since you started posting stats, let's run with that. I noticed that you didn't post a source for your statistics. Would you mind doing that, so I can point out how wrong you are?