The other side of the raids..

[pedroh 21]

That being said...if cops can raid crackhouses, whorehouses, illegal gambling houses, etc., I don't see any reason why if a prior investigation warrants a raid on illegal alien houses that ICE can't do that too.

Because these individuals weren't illegal aliens. They were US citizens. And the only "prior investigation" that was done was to learn that they are Hispanic individuals.

Interesting that the article from the SPLC is missing any and all information on how many illegals that raid actually turned up or what prior investigation has led ICE to conduct the raid. Probably pieces of information that would be devastating to their "case".

I cheer the ICE for every illegal they turn up and send home. They've got to be more active. And citizens harboring, employing or otherwise assisting illegals really have no right to complain about being in the middle of any raid. They actually ought to be prosecuted for aiding those that willingly and knowingly break many laws.

but how do you know this american family was harboring illegals? what if they just happened to live in the same trailer park because they want to be close to the hispanic community? and, the landlord was not assisting illegals, he was charging them to live there.. and to my knowledge landlords don't conduct immigration status checks when someone wants to rent their places..

Edited December 23, 2006 by pedroh

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It always amazes me how quick to judge people can be about those who are undocumented in this country. Many families are of mixed status. Most are hard working, valuable members of this society. Why can't the debate about illegal immigration be about the law and not about the people.

It is about the law. The law which the illegals pi$$ on each and every day.

Oh, and the hard working illegals don't quite make up for the damage the others cause. Illegal immigration is a net cost of quite significant proportion to this country no matter how you slice it.

Edited December 23, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That being said...if cops can raid crackhouses, whorehouses, illegal gambling houses, etc., I don't see any reason why if a prior investigation warrants a raid on illegal alien houses that ICE can't do that too.

Because these individuals weren't illegal aliens. They were US citizens. And the only "prior investigation" that was done was to learn that they are Hispanic individuals.

Interesting that the article from the SPLC is missing any and all information on how many illegals that raid actually turned up or what prior investigation has led ICE to conduct the raid. Probably pieces of information that would be devastating to their "case".

I cheer the ICE for every illegal they turn up and send home. They've got to be more active. And citizens harboring, employing or otherwise assisting illegals really have no right to complain about being in the middle of any raid. They actually ought to be prosecuted for aiding those that willingly and knowingly break many laws.

but how do you know this american family was harboring illegals? what if they just happened to live in the same trailer park because they want to be close to the hispanic community? and, the landlord was not assisting illegals, he was charging them to live there.. and to my knowledge landlords don't conduct immigration status checks when someone wants to rent their places..

People that live, by choice or not, in crime- and drug infested neighborhoods are subject to having their neighboroods raided all the same. I don't see anyone suing the DEA for trying to enforce the laws. Why are the illegals and their neighbors better than other lawbreakers and their neighbors?

[pedroh 21]

That being said...if cops can raid crackhouses, whorehouses, illegal gambling houses, etc., I don't see any reason why if a prior investigation warrants a raid on illegal alien houses that ICE can't do that too.

Because these individuals weren't illegal aliens. They were US citizens. And the only "prior investigation" that was done was to learn that they are Hispanic individuals.

Interesting that the article from the SPLC is missing any and all information on how many illegals that raid actually turned up or what prior investigation has led ICE to conduct the raid. Probably pieces of information that would be devastating to their "case".

I cheer the ICE for every illegal they turn up and send home. They've got to be more active. And citizens harboring, employing or otherwise assisting illegals really have no right to complain about being in the middle of any raid. They actually ought to be prosecuted for aiding those that willingly and knowingly break many laws.

but how do you know this american family was harboring illegals? what if they just happened to live in the same trailer park because they want to be close to the hispanic community? and, the landlord was not assisting illegals, he was charging them to live there.. and to my knowledge landlords don't conduct immigration status checks when someone wants to rent their places..

People that live, by choice or not, in crime- and drug infested neighborhoods are subject to having their neighboroods raided all the same. I don't see anyone suing the DEA for trying to enforce the laws. Why are the illegals and their neighbors better than other lawbreakers and their neighbors?

indeed they are illegal in teh country, that doesn't mean they're committing a crime ever second of their life within the USA, yeah, they entered illegaly, but does that mean that they are to be considered forever criminals?

oh, and the splc has another lawsuit against the illegal raids, because they entered the house withouth warrants (although ICE says they got'em), they were making the illegals sign waivers without translation and/or representation, and the legal citizens who hired lawyers for their illegal relatives were denied access to their little ICE concentration camps they had... even nursing mothers who were inside couldn't feed their babies, who are considered US citizens.. very legal procedure indeed..

[Heracles 417]

"Federal immigration agents conducted illegal searches and relied on racial and ethnic profiling while carrying out a massive series of raids that terrorized residents of several towns in southeast Georgia in early September, according to a federal lawsuit filed today by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The lawsuit charges that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents illegally detained, searched and harassed Latinos solely because of their appearance -- in violation of their Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights -- during an extensive campaign to drive them out of the area.

The plaintiffs are five U.S. citizens of Mexican descent and a landlord who suffered damage to his rental properties when ICE agents broke into numerous trailers that were rented by Latinos. "

the link is here SPLC sues immigration agency

aha.. another case of 'it's for the greater good'.. zomg.. what's next?

and btw, this was freakin' hard to find.. cheers 4 ICE

and what this would not happen in Mexico. Come on now..

Most developed countries around the world use various forms of profiling to catch criminals and prevent crime. Common sense really. I think the US is one of few countries where everything in terms of proactive law enforcement is labeled as being racists or profiling or some other pathetic BS excuse..

How about the fact that on average 12 Americans are murdered daily from illegal immigrants. or is that fact a case of ningún hable el enlish

Edited December 23, 2006 by Infidel

[Heracles 417]

OMG Peejay, obviously you have never had something like this happen to you. Do you know what a raid is like? They come into your room while you're asleep and point big old guns at your head. Sorry, but if they did that to me just because I'm a brown haired blue eyed white girl I would be pretty TICKED that's for sure.

Maybe they should come in with Belgium chocolates and a star bucks coffee.. Some of you have to seriously travel more to other developed countries..

[peezey 0]

OMG Peejay, obviously you have never had something like this happen to you. Do you know what a raid is like? They come into your room while you're asleep and point big old guns at your head. Sorry, but if they did that to me just because I'm a brown haired blue eyed white girl I would be pretty TICKED that's for sure.

Maybe they should come in with Belgium chocolates and a star bucks coffee.. Some of you have to seriously travel more to other developed countries..

What do you mean? You think stuff like this happens in Canada?

[Heracles 417]

OMG Peejay, obviously you have never had something like this happen to you. Do you know what a raid is like? They come into your room while you're asleep and point big old guns at your head. Sorry, but if they did that to me just because I'm a brown haired blue eyed white girl I would be pretty TICKED that's for sure.

Maybe they should come in with Belgium chocolates and a star bucks coffee.. Some of you have to seriously travel more to other developed countries..

What do you mean? You think stuff like this happens in Canada?

Does Canada have the same problem and volume of illegal immigrants? How many other countries provide these illegal immigrants with all of the rights and privileges they get in the US. There illegal and they should get nothing.

There is a big difference between honest people who are migrating here due to humanitarian reasons and just bums crossing a border.

[peezey 0]

OMG Peejay, obviously you have never had something like this happen to you. Do you know what a raid is like? They come into your room while you're asleep and point big old guns at your head. Sorry, but if they did that to me just because I'm a brown haired blue eyed white girl I would be pretty TICKED that's for sure.

Maybe they should come in with Belgium chocolates and a star bucks coffee.. Some of you have to seriously travel more to other developed countries..

What do you mean? You think stuff like this happens in Canada?

Does Canada have the same problem and volume of illegal immigrants? How many other countries provide these illegal immigrants with all of the rights and privileges they get in the US. There illegal and they should get nothing.

There is a big difference between honest people who are migrating here due to humanitarian reasons and just bums crossing a border.

Canada self-imposed a 6 year moratorium on Algerian deportations because they wanted to review their processes and make sure people were being treated fairly. Even when the moratorium was lifted, they prosecuted few cases, and only ones that the US insisted on.

It's much easier to get to Canada legally, so there is less illegal immigration, but there still is plenty.

[Heracles 417]

Maybe the illegal immigrants should move to Canada then..

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That being said...if cops can raid crackhouses, whorehouses, illegal gambling houses, etc., I don't see any reason why if a prior investigation warrants a raid on illegal alien houses that ICE can't do that too.

Because these individuals weren't illegal aliens. They were US citizens. And the only "prior investigation" that was done was to learn that they are Hispanic individuals.

Interesting that the article from the SPLC is missing any and all information on how many illegals that raid actually turned up or what prior investigation has led ICE to conduct the raid. Probably pieces of information that would be devastating to their "case".

I cheer the ICE for every illegal they turn up and send home. They've got to be more active. And citizens harboring, employing or otherwise assisting illegals really have no right to complain about being in the middle of any raid. They actually ought to be prosecuted for aiding those that willingly and knowingly break many laws.

but how do you know this american family was harboring illegals? what if they just happened to live in the same trailer park because they want to be close to the hispanic community? and, the landlord was not assisting illegals, he was charging them to live there.. and to my knowledge landlords don't conduct immigration status checks when someone wants to rent their places..

People that live, by choice or not, in crime- and drug infested neighborhoods are subject to having their neighboroods raided all the same. I don't see anyone suing the DEA for trying to enforce the laws. Why are the illegals and their neighbors better than other lawbreakers and their neighbors?

indeed they are illegal in teh country, that doesn't mean they're committing a crime ever second of their life within the USA, yeah, they entered illegaly, but does that mean that they are to be considered forever criminals?

They are breaking the law when entering (or failing to leave), when stealing an identity, when working, driving, etc. Their very presence is illegal, so, yes, they break the law every second of their illegal presence. forever criminals? No. They can leave.

[Heracles 417]

They are breaking the law when entering (or failing to leave), when stealing an identity, when working, driving, etc. Their very presence is illegal, so, yes, they break the law every second of their illegal presence. forever criminals? No. They can leave.

I never thought we could agree on an issue. The world does have hope..

Edited December 23, 2006 by Infidel

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It always amazes me how quick to judge people can be about those who are undocumented in this country. Many families are of mixed status. Most are hard working, valuable members of this society. Why can't the debate about illegal immigration be about the law and not about the people.

I don't remember hard-working being a prequisite to law-breaking.

[Heracles 417]

It always amazes me how quick to judge people can be about those who are undocumented in this country. Many families are of mixed status. Most are hard working, valuable members of this society. Why can't the debate about illegal immigration be about the law and not about the people.

What part of they have disrespected the country and broken a fundamental law of a nation are we not understanding here??

Second of all, their financial gain comes at the expense of middle and lower class Americans. Both illegal immigrants and H1 visas are taking away opportunities from middle and lower class Americans.. For employers both legal and illegal foreign workers are fantastic as they can source someone from overseas, who they can pay less..

Edited December 23, 2006 by Infidel

[pedroh 21]

so what's the moral of the story? if u happen to live near a hispanic community or some of ur neighbors are hispanic.. go and ask them 'howdy do neighbor! do u happen to be a legal immigrant? i don't want ICE to raid my house'??? or if you are a US citizen but have a hispanic name and happen to live in a hispanic community and don't have the oh common sense of go asking 1 by 1 if they are legal or not, and get raided, to suck it up? cuz its ur damn fault?