Family feud ends in tragedy as 'daughter and husband break into parents home and shoot mother and brother dead before father kills them'

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Using your usual logic, more guns in circulation by legal gun owners means more guns to be stolen from homes, sold illegally at gun shows, etc, so there should be even more guns ending up in the hands of bad guys making the number of murders go up. Now when a thief breaks into someone's home, they can steal 10 guns instead of 5. Then they can sell them illegally so they end up on the streets.

And that is clearly happening. There are good stats out about the origins of guns used in crimes. But again, that's besides the point.

Talking about legal gun owners. Aaron Alexis was a legal gun owner. Good guy with a gun as Wayne LaPierre would call him. Well, until he turned bad and snuffed out 12 people.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Yes, and the gun ownership rate had decreased substantially from 50% in the 1970's to the low 30%s in the 2000's. All these extra guns out there are just being hoarded by gun aficionados.

Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993

Majority of men, Republicans, and Southerners report having a gun in their households

Sorry to interrupt you with facts

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period.

U.S. Gun Households, 1991-2011

The new result comes from Gallup's Oct. 6-9 Crime poll, which also finds public support for personal gun rights at a high-water mark. Given this, the latest increase in self-reported gun ownership could reflect a change in Americans' comfort with publicly stating that they have a gun as much as it reflects a real uptick in gun ownership.

Republicans (including independents who lean Republican) are more likely than Democrats (including Democratic leaners) to say they have a gun in their household: 55% to 40%. While sizable, this partisan gap is narrower than that seen in recent years, as Democrats' self-reported gun ownership spiked to 40% this year.

2002-2011 Trend: Gun in Household, by Party ID

[spookyturtle 9,466]

And that is clearly happening. There are good stats out about the origins of guns used in crimes. But again, that's besides the point.

Talking about legal gun owners. Aaron Alexis was a legal gun owner. Good guy with a gun as Wayne LaPierre would call him. Well, until he turned bad and snuffed out 12 people.

So you agree that everything I have posted is correct. There are less murders being committed by guns today than there were 20 years. We are working in the right direction, but more needs to be done.

[RGinWA 816]

Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993

Majority of men, Republicans, and Southerners report having a gun in their households

Sorry to interrupt you with facts

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period.

U.S. Gun Households, 1991-2011

The new result comes from Gallup's Oct. 6-9 Crime poll, which also finds public support for personal gun rights at a high-water mark. Given this, the latest increase in self-reported gun ownership could reflect a change in Americans' comfort with publicly stating that they have a gun as much as it reflects a real uptick in gun ownership.

Republicans (including independents who lean Republican) are more likely than Democrats (including Democratic leaners) to say they have a gun in their household: 55% to 40%. While sizable, this partisan gap is narrower than that seen in recent years, as Democrats' self-reported gun ownership spiked to 40% this year.

2002-2011 Trend: Gun in Household, by Party ID

Also factor in that we've had 10 years of war and that alone could skew the numbers of people owning firearms.

I know may people that didn't own weapons until the spent time in a war zone. Doesn't account for all of them, but the whole terrorism fear mongering surely has had some effect as well.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture.

The gun ownership rate has fallen across a broad cross section of households since the early 1970s, according to data from the General Social Survey, a public opinion survey conducted every two years that asks a sample of American adults if they have guns at home, among other questions.

The rate has dropped in cities large and small, in suburbs and rural areas and in all regions of the country. It has fallen among households with children, and among those without. It has declined for households that say they are very happy, and for those that say they are not. It is down among churchgoers and those who never sit in pews.

The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey data, analyzed by The New York Times.

In 2012, the share of American households with guns was 34 percent, according to survey results released on Thursday. Researchers said the difference compared with 2010, when the rate was 32 percent, was not statistically significant.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So you agree that everything I have posted is correct. There are less murders being committed by guns today than there were 20 years. We are working in the right direction, but more needs to be done.

Sure I agree. Why would I be disputing easily verifiable facts? It is true that fewer murders are committed today than was the case 20 years ago. Roughly 70% of murders are committed with firearms. That was the case 20 years ago and that is still the case today. The rate at which murders are committed with a firearms remains constant. That being the case, as murders overall decline, so do murders committed with firearms. Which is not surprising since there is a smaller percentage of households with firearms to day than there were 20 years ago. It's all coming together.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Also factor in that we've had 10 years of war and that alone could skew the numbers of people owning firearms.

I know may people that didn't own weapons until the spent time in a war zone. Doesn't account for all of them, but the whole terrorism fear mongering surely has had some effect as well.

speaking of pulling one out of ****

How about those seahawks

I don't watch much pro but when i saw them down 20-6 in the 3rd I thought about you

UGA pulled one of Sat

I see USC lost I hate USC with a passion. Their coach is the biggest D bag ####### ever lived

[spookyturtle 9,466]

speaking of pulling one out of ****

How about those seahawks

I don't watch much pro but when i saw them down 20-6 in the 3rd I thought about you

UGA pulled one of Sat

I see USC lost I hate USC with a passion. Their coach is the biggest D bag ####### ever lived

Why aren't you watching the Falcons?

[himher 634]

Fast and furious with those facts again, Danno? I just educated you and the other gun aficionados in the other thread. Contrary to your fantasy, while there are more guns, those guns are actually hoarded by fewer households. You see, in the 1970's, about one out of two households had a gun. A few decades later in the 2000's, only one out of three households has a gun. So while there are indeed more guns out there, there are fewer gun owners. And as the gun ownership rates have declined, so has the murder rate. That's not surprising to anyone with a clear mind.

Now we just need to work on bringing down the processed and fast foods and we may see obesity subsiding, too.

LOL silly rabbit. Tricks are for kids. Nice try.

"There's something odd with a Sunday New York Times report on gun ownership in America. They claim the number of Americans owning guns are at its lowest since the 1970s. They attribute it to a reduction in violent crime, which contradicts the media narrative that we need more gun control, and the increased rates of Americans settling in urban areas. The problem is two years ago; the number of Americans owning guns was at 47 percent. Now, it's 35 percent. So, there was a twelve-point drop in two years, and a little over three months after Sandy Hook."

You trust Gallop, right? Check out the 2011 poll - it was very exhaustive and tabbed the rates at just under the 1950's

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

In 2011, Gallup reported that "forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period."

Gun ownership rates haven't changed my friend. You are deluding yourself as badly as those two stupid Co state senators who got their a$$es recalled. Even Obama threw in the towel and is funding armed officers in schools, just like the NRA asked him to.

People who never owned guns are the ones buying guns. That is why there are long lines in the training courses, why the concealed permit applications are at record highs (why the hell would people want multiple CC permits?) Why would people want multiple training certificates?

State after state:

http://www.morningjournal.com/general-news/20130905/new-concealed-carry-permits-already-near-2012-levels-in-ohio

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/29/2370621/concealed-carry-applications-skyrocket-following-new-gun-restrictions-in-colorado/

Your own state:

Since July 1 of last year, Florida has granted more than 173,000 new concealed-carry permits, up 17% from the year before and twice as many as five years ago, for a total of about 1.09 million permits in the state.

Edited September 30, 2013 by himher

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Sure I agree. Why would I be disputing easily verifiable facts? It is true that fewer murders are committed today than was the case 20 years ago. Roughly 70% of murders are committed with firearms. That was the case 20 years ago and that is still the case today. The rate at which murders are committed with a firearms remains constant. That being the case, as murders overall decline, so do murders committed with firearms. Which is not surprising since there is a smaller percentage of households with firearms to day than there were 20 years ago. It's all coming together.

Correct. And if there were 10 murders in a year and 7 of them were by gun it would still be 70%. I chose to see it optimistically, the number of murders has gone down substantially. You chose to focus on the negative. And if there were only 10 murders and 7 by gun in the entire country, some of you would still be presenting the same argument.

[RGinWA 816]

speaking of pulling one out of ****

How about those seahawks

I don't watch much pro but when i saw them down 20-6 in the 3rd I thought about you

UGA pulled one of Sat

I see USC lost I hate USC with a passion. Their coach is the biggest D bag ####### ever lived

Seahawks shut them out at home in the 2nd half and spanked that @ss in overtime!!!!

Yeeehaw

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Why aren't you watching the Falcons?

I am a passionate college fan

Nothing against pro ball..I watch at times

However it's hard for me to get the same level of excitement and loyalty behind a bunch of corporate guys that make millions off a bunch of players whose only allegiance to a team is the millions they make, but want me to have some kind of sworn emotional attachment

I mean I pull for the Falcons, but it's just not the same

Point in case-UGA vs LSu

Both Qb's were recruited by Mark R. Both QB's are potential first round picks and friends..One got kicked off the team at UGA

They both played 100% lights out Sat..Nothing like Mark R hugging both and crying on National TV

[himher 634]

I am a passionate college fan

Nothing against pro ball..I watch at times

However it's hard for me to get the same level of excitement and loyalty behind a bunch of corporate guys that make millions off a bunch of players whose only allegiance to a team is the millions they make, but want me to have some kind of sworn emotional attachment

I mean I pull for the Falcons, but it's just not the same

Point in case-UGA vs LSu

Both Qb's were recruited by Mark R. Both QB's are potential first round picks and friends..One got kicked off the team at UGA

They both played 100% lights out Sat..Nothing like Mark R hugging both and crying on National TV

It was a hell of a game. Best I've seen in awhile.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I am a passionate college fan

Nothing against pro ball..I watch at times

However it's hard for me to get the same level of excitement and loyalty behind a bunch of corporate guys that make millions off a bunch of players whose only allegiance to a team is the millions they make, but want me to have some kind of sworn emotional attachment

I mean I pull for the Falcons, but it's just not the same

Point in case-UGA vs LSu

Both Qb's were recruited by Mark R. Both QB's are potential first round picks and friends..One got kicked off the team at UGA

They both played 100% lights out Sat..Nothing like Mark R hugging both and crying on National TV

Typical gun nut likes college football better than the NFL.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Typical gun nut likes college football better than the NFL.

Yes I fit that Demographic