obama did it again

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

you can't handle the facts. fact is it cost more to offer amnesty than deport so you divert the debate by being a nuisance. you're wasting people's time.

Wow I just heard Jack Nicholson.................

[Karee 4,189]

We've deported some 4 million people since 1990. We've amnestied about 3 million in that same time frame - Clinton in the 1990's did a few rounds of amnesty. Either way, more people are deported than amnestied. Following your line of thought, people should thus be discouraged from coming here as their chances to get deported are grater than their chances to benefit from some from of amnesty. And yet, they've been coming. What's up with that?

Source? Or are you just making up your own facts again?

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I'm a victim of marriage fraud. And she (the exwife) is using our son and to come to the u.s. her family in Vietnam is using her stay in the u.s. to make money. I don't think she deserves to be in the u.s. I told her I was open to her and our son moving back to Vietnam but she refuses and wants to live her without papers. she's become a parasite living off of our child's child support money. So that's where I'm coming from.

So you're willing to pack your child off to Vietnam just because the woman ticked you off?

Nice.

[tringuyen 11]

So you're willing to pack your child off to Vietnam just because the woman ticked you off?

Nice.

I'd go there and live with him. I don't think she deserves to be in the states.

[Karee 4,189]

So you're willing to pack your child off to Vietnam just because the woman ticked you off?

Nice.

I see you're stopping by to make some smart a$$ comments, yet add nothing to the conversation. Business as usual for you. Maybe you can bait a few posters and then report the thread and ask for it be locked.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

why don't you just google it?

I did. Did you? I came up with a CBO estimate on the cost of the Senate bill on Immigration reform which is estimated to reduce the federal deficit by roughly $175 billion over the next decade. I also came up with a price tag of about $24K per deportee. Since we have some 12 million persons you advocate deporting, that would run up a $265 billion bill. So, save $175 billion or spend $285 billion. To me, it would appear that saving is cheaper than spending.

Of course, you could peruse stormfront, heritage or other such xenophobe sites and get a distorted picture that will fit your taste much better. You will also be spared any factual information there.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I would have to disagree with you. Many people on this board are very strict when it comes to following the rules of immigration. Most if not everybody here does not like it when people take advantage of the system because it has a negative effect on people doing the process the right way such as getting kicked back further in line.

The problem is that a lot of the rules people don't like are still legal paths to the US.

The VJ mindset is that if another immigrant or couple didn't take it in the rear as hard as the VJ member thinks they had it, then the other immigrant didn't come in the "right" way.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I see you're stopping by to make some smart a$$ comments, yet add nothing to the conversation. Business as usual for you. Maybe you can bait a few posters and then report the thread and ask for it be locked.

Just cause you don't like what I say, doesn't mean I've added nothing to the conversations.

Seems to me the OP wouldn't be so mad if his experience hadn't been so negative. I think that's relevant to what he posts about.

[tringuyen 11]

I did. Did you? I came up with a CBO estimate on the cost of the Senate bill on Immigration reform which is estimated to reduce the federal deficit by roughly $175 billion over the next decade. I also came up with a price tag of about $24K per deportee. Since we have some 12 million persons you advocate deporting, that would run up a $265 billion bill. So, save $175 billion or spend $265 billion. To me, it would appear that saving is cheaper than spending.

Of course, you could peruse stormfront, heritage or other such xenophobe sites and get a distorted picture that will fit your taste much better. You will also be spared any factual information there.

10 years? Is it gonna end at 10 years? How long does it take to raise a child? 18 years. Did you take into account they'll bring their family over? Is this problem gonna end after 10 years? besides those from mexico, there'll be visa-overstays from other countries. deja vu. your logic is no-go big dawg.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Source? Or are you just making up your own facts again?

Again? Careful now. Here's what makes up the folks amnestied since in the 1990's:

- In 1994, an amnesty for illegal aliens (Section 245 (i)) was added to the FY 1995 Commerce, Justice, State Appropriations bill. The rolling amnesty ended on September 30, 1997, and resulted in 578,000 illegal aliens being granted permanent legal status.

- The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty of 1997, granted amnesty to 1,000,000 illegal aliens from Central America.

- The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA) of 1998, granted amnesty to 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.

- In 2000, amnesty was granted to about 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed they should have been amnestied, but were not under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.

- Legal Immigration Family Equity (LIFE) Act Amnesty of 2000 removed deportation orders and/or granted permanent legal residency to an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens.

Here's the link for the 4 million deported folks: http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/economy/the-cost-of-deportation-in-10-eye-opening-figures-20130109

[Karee 4,189]

Again? Careful now. Here's what makes up the folks amnestied since in the 1990's:

Here's the link for the 4 million deported folks: http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/economy/the-cost-of-deportation-in-10-eye-opening-figures-20130109

Sorry if I don't take your word for it.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

10 years? Is it gonna end at 10 years? How long does it take to raise a child? 18 years. Did you take into account they'll bring their family over? Is this problem gonna end after 10 years? besides those from mexico, there'll be visa-overstays from other countries. deja vu. your logic is no-go big dawg.

It's not going to end after 10 years. Nor is deportation going to be done once you have sent the 12 million illegal immigrants home that are here now. More will come as they always have. If you keep deporting them, you will continue to rack up these bills. And there's really no reason to believe that the equation is all of a sudden going to tip in favor of deportation. Look at the CBO report on the Senate bill. It's eye opening. The net effect of federal revenues vs. expenditures that would result from the bill is positive. It would reduce the deficit. Deportation will always be a net cost. It won't ever make a dime for the treasury. It's not hard to understand.

Sorry if I don't take your word for it.

Nothing wrong with asking for a source. Just the suggestion that I am making up my own facts was uncalled for.

[tringuyen 11]

It's not going to end after 10 years. Nor is deportation going to be done once you have sent the 12 million illegal immigrants home that are here now. More will come as they always have. If you keep deporting them, you will continue to rack up these bills. And there's really no reason to believe that the equation is all of a sudden going to tip in favor of deportation. Look at the CBO report on the Senate bill. It's eye opening. The net effect of federal revenues vs. expenditures that would result from the bill is positive. It would reduce the deficit. Deportation will always be a net cost. It won't ever make a dime for the treasury. It's not hard to understand.

just do self-deportation.

[Karee 4,189]

Just the suggestion that I am making up my own facts was uncalled for.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

just do self-deportation.

Why should I do self-deportation? I am a US citizen.