THIS DEMOCRAT MAKES AKIN LOOK GOOD.

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rowe vs. wade. its going to take a republican house, senate, president, and 1 or 2 more conservative judges on the bench of the scotus to overturn it. i just don't see the stars aligning in our life time.

If this is the case, don't you think it is rather hypocritical of the GOP to constantly complain about government spending?

[SMOKE 1,426]

I'm not understanding your logic.. If you are pro-life I presume you think it is a life and should be afforded some sort of rights.. If that is what you beleive then having exceptions is hypocritical - you should be for an outright ban...

i don't see it as hypocrytical at all. i see it as knowing nothing is black & white, there is always going to be a gray area. imho- an outright ban and virtually no restrictions are both extremely short sighted & dangerous positions to take.

If this is the case, don't you think it is rather hypocritical of the GOP to constantly complain about government spending?

no. the government does need to quit spending more money than we have, and there are places we could cut spending. once the credit cards max out, its going to get real ugly.(Greece..but, with an armed population)

Edited August 22, 2012 by SMOKE

[JohnR! 5,495]

i am a republican and very pro-life. there is no way in hell i'd support an out right ban on abortion. i'm willing to bet a large majority of people that share my views feel the same way.

I am an independent and I am very pro-life as well and I support a woman's prerogative to decide on her pregnancy.

I have said before that I believe everyone to be against abortions. Even the women who have to resort to it don't do so lightly or without putting a lot of thinking into that decision.

I feel about abortion the same way I feel about hysterectomies and mastectomies. Everyone is against them but there are instances when they are the best option. It should be up to the individual to make that call. I do not advocate the notion the State or Federal government should force a woman to take an unwanted pregnancy to term.

[SMOKE 1,426]

I am an independent and I am very pro-life as well and I support a woman's prerogative to decide on her pregnancy.

I have said before that I believe everyone to be against abortions. Even the women who have to resort to it don't do so lightly or without putting a lot of thinking into that decision.

I feel about abortion the same way I feel about hysterectomies and mastectomies. Everyone is against them but there are instances when they are the best option. It should be up to the individual to make that call. I do not advocate the notion the State or Federal government should force a woman to take an unwanted pregnancy to term.

i can understand your position & a year or so ago almost agree with you. but, now that birth control is 'free', the personal responsiblity arguement gains weight with me.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

i can understand your position & a year or so ago almost agree with you. but, now that birth control is 'free', the personal responsiblity arguement gains weight with me.

Birth control fails.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i'm not pro-choice, i'm pro-life. i have common sense, and know an all out ban is stupid & will never happen. they aren't drowning me out. you're not looking at it for what it is..its nothing more than a recruiting ploy. romney doesn't support an abortion ban, he has stated it. ryan & co. are recruiting the fringe with this rhetoric.

Sorry, I misread. Thought you were a pro-choice Republican like Scott Brown. My bad.

Note, however, that Romney is no longer pro-choice, he does support an abortion ban. He just stops short the outright lunacy that his running mate is on record supporting and that was again enshrined into the GOP platform.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

rowe vs. wade. its going to take a republican house, senate, president, and 1 or 2 more conservative judges on the bench of the scotus to overturn it. i just don't see the stars aligning in our life time.

All it will take is another reactionary judge to replace one of the center or left judges on the SCOTUS and all that takes is a GOP President and a Senate that does not have a Democratic super majority. Those stars can align real quick and set this country back more than half a century. The groundwork is already being done in many states. Make no mistake, it takes one election to brutalize rape victims the way the GOP wants to.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Birth control fails.

add it to the list of exceptions. documented proof of contraceptive use...(medical records)

Sorry, I misread. Thought you were a pro-choice Republican like Scott Brown. My bad.

Note, however, that Romney is no longer pro-choice, he does support an abortion ban. He just stops short the outright lunacy that his running mate is on record supporting and that was again enshrined into the GOP platform.

he is pro-choice. he's drawing the fringe into the tent. you know how this stuff works.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

add it to the list of exceptions. documented proof of contraceptive use...(medical records)

he is pro-choice. he's drawing the fringe into the tent. you know how this stuff works.

Actually it sounds like you are pro-choice, the longer that list gets....

But how does anyone document the use of contraception - that seems a bit ill thought out to me.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Actually it sounds like you are pro-choice, the longer that list gets....

But how does anyone document the use of contraception - that seems a bit ill thought out to me.

i'm pro common sense. you can get copies of your medical records fairly easily.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i'm pro common sense. you can get copies of your medical records fairly easily.

You can, but what would that prove?

[SMOKE 1,426]

All it will take is another reactionary judge to replace one of the center or left judges on the SCOTUS and all that takes is a GOP President and a Senate that does not have a Democratic super majority. Those stars can align real quick and set this country back more than half a century. The groundwork is already being done in many states. Make no mistake, it takes one election to brutalize rape victims the way the GOP wants to.

i'm starting to think you're much farther left than i thought you were.

You can, but what would that prove?

you used contraceptives & they failed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

you used contraceptives & they failed.

If you were on the pills, sure. But short of searching through people's rubbish, I don't see how medical records would prove a whole lot.

[웃 910]

I have said before that I believe everyone to be against abortions.

I am very pro abortion. I think the world would be a much safer, better, richer, productive place if BF/GF pregnancies were not carried out, as well as people that financially benefit from popping out another child.

If you visit a men's county jail and talk to the 17 to 22 year old crowd. Most either have pregnant GFs or multiple kids. They cannot afford to feed themselves and now they have a GF and a kid to feed. They never escape poverty.

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[elmcitymaven 9,712]

If you were on the pills, sure. But short of searching through people's rubbish, I don't see how medical records would prove a whole lot.

There's plenty of us who can't use hormonal methods as well. Should we expect to start dumping used condoms into a special receptacle for inspection for any holes? What if the condom is put on incorrectly? Should we be filming ourselves for later review to make sure they're used correctly? Does this also apply to the Today sponge?