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... if the Opera were to have gone ahead would the German law enforcement (and by extension the German Govt) prepared to step in to protect the performers?

I believe in any situation if there is a credible threat then yes, police protection is provided. For example if there's going to be a pro-choice rally and there are credible reasons to think it may be attacked by pro-life extremists, then cops do provide protection. That's their job. I don't see why they wouldn't provide protection to the opera.

Is it an actors duty to risk their life by singing or performing in an opera?

Duty? No.

... specifically that it is the duty of our governments to protect the values of western civilisation. Do they really have the political will to do so?

I hope so :)

Regardless of any perceived "offense", I would also ask whether or not this adds enough to the opera to justify its inclusion.

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The scene, added to the script by director Hans Neuenfels, is meant to symbolise the king’s estrangement from religion after he reneges on a vow to the gods, and was roundly booed at its Berlin premiere in 2003.

If the scene is removed because the audience hates it, I have no problem with that. If it is removed because the actors are scared of a bunch of thugs, that's clearly a problem.

Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.

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From the original posted article:

The scene, added to the script by director Hans Neuenfels, is meant to symbolise the king’s estrangement from religion after he reneges on a vow to the gods, and was roundly booed at its Berlin premiere in 2003.

If the scene is removed because the audience hates it, I have no problem with that. If it is removed because the actors are scared of a bunch of thugs, that's clearly a problem.

I'm not overly familiar with the opera, but after reading an outline of the plot - I wonder what exactly the original opera has to do with religion...

Act I Island of Crete. Ilia, daughter of King Priam, loves Prince Idamante, son of Idomeneo, but she hesitates to acknowledge her love. Idamante frees the Trojan prisoners. He tells Ilia, who is rejecting his love, that it is not his fault that their fathers were enemies. Trojans and Cretans together welcome the return of peace, but Elettra, jealous of Ilia, does not approve of Idamante's clemency toward the enemy prisoners. Arbace, the king's confidant, brings news that Idomeneo has been lost at sea while returning to Crete. Elettra, fearing that Ilia, a Trojan, soon will be Queen of Crete, feels the furies of Hades tormenting her.

On a deserted seashore, after the shipwreck, Idomeneo recalls the vow he made to Neptune -- to sacrifice, if he arrived safe, the first living creature he meets on shore. Idamante approaches him, but because the two have not seen each other for a long time, recognition is difficult. When Idomeneo realizes the youth is his own child, he orders Idamante never to seek him out again. Grief-stricken by his father's rejection, Idamante runs off. Cretan troops disembarking from Idomeneo's ship are met by their wives, and all praise Neptune.

Act II

At the king's palace, Idomeneo seeks counsel from Arbace, who says another victim could be sacrificed if Idamante were sent into exile. Idomeneo orders his son to escort Elettra to her home, Argos. Idomeneo's kind words to Ilia move her to declare that since she has lost everything, he will be her father and Crete her country. As she leaves, Idomeneo realizes that sending Idamante into exile has cost Ilia her happiness as well as his own. Elettra welcomes the idea of going to Argos with Idamante.

At the port of Sidon, Idomeneo bids his son farewell and urges him to learn the art of ruling while he is away. Before the ship can sail, however, a storm breaks out, and a sea serpent appears. Recognizing it as a messenger from Neptune, the king offers himself as atonement for having violated his vow to the god.

Act III

In the royal garden, Ilia asks the breezes to carry her love to Idamante, who appears, explaining that he must go to fight the serpent. When he says he may as well die as suffer the torments of his rejected love, Ilia confesses her love. They are surprised by Elettra and Idomeneo. When Idamante asks his father why he sends him away, Idomeneo can only reply that the youth must leave. Ilia asks for consolation from Elettra, who is preoccupied with revenge. Arbace comes with news that the people, led by the High Priest of Neptune, are clamoring for Idomeneo. The High Priest tells the king of the destruction caused by Neptune's monster, urging Idomeneo to reveal the name of the person whose sacrifice is demanded by the god. When the king confesses that his own son is the victim, the populace is horrified.

Outside the temple, the king and High Priest join with Neptune's priests in prayer that the god may be appeased. Arbace brings news that Idamante has killed the monster. As Idomeneo fears new reprisals from Neptune, Idamante enters in sacrificial robes, saying he understands his father's torment and is ready to die. After an agonizing farewell, Idomeneo is about to sacrifice his son when Ilia intervenes, offering her own life instead. The Voice of Neptune is heard. Idomeneo must yield the throne to Ilia and Idamante. Everyone is relieved except Elettra, who longs for her own death. Idomeneo presents Idamante and his bride as the new rulers. The people call upon the god of love and marriage to bless the royal pair and bring peace.

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Get rid of the Islamic extremists instead of the opera. They should be canceled! First Londonstan and now Berlinstan. Where will it end?

This is one of the smartest opinions I have ever heard in this forum.

That is get rid of the bad guys rather than punish everybody else.. :thumbs:

I'm so tired of Londinistan and Britainistan that I could puke.

How about Paristan??

Maybe this is why Europe does not like the US's approach to dealing with reality. That is the head on approach..

There are numerous growing 'no go islamic zones' in various European cities like Paris. Basically they have suceeded in enforcing Sharia Law and bypassing the countries Law.. Setting up their own Israel so it speak..

Oh, I've been to Paris many times...seen it. It's pretty bad. :(

Ayyub Axel Koehler, the head of the Central Council of Muslims, one of Germany's largest Muslim groups, on Tuesday told the foreign press corps in Berlin he did not want to comment directly on the Idomeneo cancellation, but gave his general opinion on the issue:

"While we are absolutely in agreement with the need for a free press, free opinion and free arts, we also think that there are certain limits to those freedoms," he said. "If there are issues that most deeply hurt the feelings of believers, then one should be considerate, as it should be normal among civilized persons."

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligen...26-024204-9106r

Someone needs to tell this asshat that nobody has the right NOT to be offended. That is not a right.

24 June 2007: Leaving day/flying to Dallas-Fort Worth

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Jihad is gay too.

:angry: now you done it..i am going to have to declare jihad on your Indian azz and drive to that hellhole state of new jersey... :lol:

:o:o:o

I thought New Jersey was a swer system not a hell hole

:lol::lol::lol:

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