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I received an Aug 13 email from NVC for an RFE. The only information the letter contained were instructions on obtaining a Canada Police Certificate" and a statement at the end that read "The Police Certificate that you have submitted does not fulfill the necessary requirements."

The instructions they included in the letter were the same instructions on the DoS website () which were the instructions I followed and brought with me when I went to the RCMP this January to get my police certificate.

I have no idea what else the NVC is looking for so I e-mailed them and copy-pasted each sentence from the "instructions" :

1. Applicants who are physically present in Canada should contact their local police service or RCMP office.

- I was a resident of Canada at the time (Jan 2010) I applied for and obtained my RCMP police certificate.

- My RCMP police certificate shows my local address in Canada at the time I was living there and obtained my RCMP police certificate.

- I did go to the local RCMP office and their address was stamped on my RCMP Police Certificate.

2. Applicants may obtain a certificate of no conviction issued by the Canadian police service as long as it notes that CPIC or the national criminal records repository was searched using the applicant's name and DOB.

- My certificate does state the above:

(quote from my certificate) "This certifies that a search, based on the above name and DOB, failed to disclose any such person with a record of criminal convictions in the

national repository for criminal records in Canada. <<SEARCH NOT CONFIRMED BY FINGERPRINTS>>"

My certificate was printed on bright orange paper.

Other than asking me to redo the certificate because there was no fingerprint search done (the RFE letter did not say that I should have a fingerprint search done), I don't know what else to give the NVC. I sent them an e-mail asking for clarification as to what characteristics/properties/features were not fulfilled by the RCMP police certificate I submitted.

Oh, and I did consider getting a fingerprint search done last January but the the RCMP employee I spoke with said it was not necessary for immigration.

What did your RCMP police certificates look like? What else can I do? I'm hoping that whoever reviewed my papers just missed reading the "This certifies..." line on my certificate. The font was smaller, probably ~8 pts.

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I found this old thread http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/77535-local-police-certificate-or-rcmp/page__st__40 where someone said that they redid their RCMP police certificate with both their maiden and married names on it.

Is that what married women are supposed to do when they obtain an RCMP police certificate? Since I've never used my husband's name, I wrote "none" under "maiden name/any other surname" when I filled up the RCMP Consent for Disclosure of Criminal Record Information.

If that's (including the husband's name which the wife isn't using) an unwritten NVC requirement, then it's not consistent because NVC did not ask me to resubmit my Philippines NBI clearance which I also obtained in my "maiden" name.

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You would only have the search done on names you use. I used my married named from my ex, so I had the search both my names maiden and married named. If they are requesting you do a search on a name you never used that would be just weird.

In any of you papers you sent NVC did you ever state other names used, and have your spouses last name listed? If that is the case then you may have to do another search.

Did you mean where it asks for maiden name you marked none, cause you have a maiden name.


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I didn't even use a rcmp clearance.

I don't have a record, so I just went to my local police and got one that said it checked some database.

I would take the letter to the police and ask them what they think, they may have some insight.

But if you dont have a record you do not need fingerprints done.

So it could be the names thing, aka the name you are FILING under should match the name on the CERTIFICATE.


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You would only have the search done on names you use. I used my married named from my ex, so I had the search both my names maiden and married named. If they are requesting you do a search on a name you never used that would be just weird.

In any of you papers you sent NVC did you ever state other names used, and have your spouses last name listed? If that is the case then you may have to do another search.

Did you mean where it asks for maiden name you marked none, cause you have a maiden name.

In any of you papers you sent NVC did you ever state other names used, and have your spouses last name listed? If that is the case then you may have to do another search.

No. Just my own name, the one I was born with "Armenia (first) In (middle) Canada (surname)"

Did you mean where it asks for maiden name you marked none, cause you have a maiden name.

What is a married woman's maiden name when the married woman doesn't use the husband's name?

On the application form (RCMP consent for disclosure of criminal record information), I wrote :

given name 1 = Armenia, given name 2 = In, surname = Canada

My husband's surname = USA

The other box in the application form asked for "maiden name/any other surname". I wrote none since I don't have a maiden name because I never adopted a "married name." It didn't make sense to me to write "Canada" for both "surname" and "maiden name."

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So it could be the names thing, aka the name you are FILING under should match the name on the CERTIFICATE.

The name on my DS-230 (and previous I-130 papers) is the same name on my RCMP police certificate.

I guess there's nothing else to do but wait and see what NVC has to say (regarding my email asking for clarification on what is about about my RCMP police cert that did not meet necessary requirements). I won't be able to talk to an NVC operator anyway this weekend.

When applicants have questions about RFEs, is it better to email or call? Or do you have to submit a question by snail mail with their barcode sheet attached? And if it turns out that the RFE was a mistake, would they immediately say so in their reply email/during a call or would you have to wait for another "review + email"?

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The other box in the application form asked for "maiden name/any other surname". I wrote none since I don't have a maiden name because I never adopted a "married name." It didn't make sense to me to write "Canada" for both "surname" and "maiden name."

You should have put the same name for both.

I put the same name under both fields, maiden and surname, I also put in my pre-adoption name, even though legally she doesn't exist anymore.

[i hand't changed to my married name yet when we started filing.]

However, that seems [to me] to be too piddly for them to reject it.

I haven't had an RFE so I can't answer which way is best to contact them, however, whenever we had questions regarding the process we would call and wait the few mins on the phone, and they were always very helpful.


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You should have put the same name for both.

I put the same name under both fields, maiden and surname, I also put in my pre-adoption name, even though legally she doesn't exist anymore.

[i hand't changed to my married name yet when we started filing.]

However, that seems [to me] to be too piddly for them to reject it.

The application form was just the RCMP consent for disclosure of criminal record information. This is the form you fill up when applying for an RCMP police certificate. I don't think this would have any bearing on the NVC's review since NVC doesn't see this form. All it sees is the RCMP police certificate which only contains the current full name used.

I haven't had an RFE so I can't answer which way is best to contact them, however, whenever we had questions regarding the process we would call and wait the few mins on the phone, and they were always very helpful.

I'll call them on Monday. I hate getting emails like this on a friday evening when there's nothing I can do/accomplish about it over the weekend. Two days wondering what was "unsatisfactory" about my RCMP police certificate. :( Now I'm wondering if NVC thought the certificate isn't real. Why can't the RCMP come out with a certificate "look" that's standard across the country? My first thought, actually, when I got my certificate from my local RCMP office was - "This is it? A printout on regular orange colour copy paper?" I was expecting something printed on security paper with all the water marks and extra stuff embedded in it for forgery prevention.

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mine was just a print out on plain paper too..

was yours signed and everything though?

Yes, it was signed.

In the box that says name and rank, the RCMP wrote "E. Go me xxxxx." (xxxxx = Reg. no.)

What rank is an "me"? Sorry, the name, rank and number were script handwritten. "Me" was how I read it. It could be "Ml" for all I know.

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you were a resident of canada? did you live somewhere else before or anywhere else before? If you lived somewhere else before maybe you need the other police certificates and that is why they said it doesnt meet their needs because you need one for where you used to live?


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you were a resident of canada? did you live somewhere else before or anywhere else before? If you lived somewhere else before maybe you need the other police certificates and that is why they said it doesnt meet their needs because you need one for where you used to live?

Yes, I was a resident of Canada before. That's why I got my RCMP police certificate before leaving Canada.

I also have a Philippine (NBI) clearance.

I haven't lived in other countries for 6 mos or more. When I go to the US, I only stay for a few weeks per trip. The longest I've stayed in the US was 2.5 months when I was on a J1 short-term scholar visa.

Their (NVC's) only comment on their letter was "Canada Police Certificate - The Police Certificate that you have submitted does not fulfill the necessary requirements."

The rest of the letter's content was the generic (same info they have on the DoS website) set of instructions on how to get a Canada Police Certificate.

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Yes, I was a resident of Canada before. That's why I got my RCMP police certificate before leaving Canada.

I also have a Philippine (NBI) clearance.

I haven't lived in other countries for 6 mos or more. When I go to the US, I only stay for a few weeks per trip. The longest I've stayed in the US was 2.5 months when I was on a J1 short-term scholar visa.

Their (NVC's) only comment on their letter was "Canada Police Certificate - The Police Certificate that you have submitted does not fulfill the necessary requirements."

The rest of the letter's content was the generic (same info they have on the DoS website) set of instructions on how to get a Canada Police Certificate.

When did you leave Canada? If the certificate is a year or more old you would have to get a new one, which could be why it didnt meet the requirements.


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When did you leave Canada? If the certificate is a year or more old you would have to get a new one, which could be why it didnt meet the requirements.

RCMP police certificate was dated Jan 27, 2010.

I left Canada on March 2010.

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Printed on plain paper and bright orange paper, wow!

My local police certificate was printed on paper that had little colour strands through it, was thicker, and they had a deeply embossed thingie in the corner of the page.


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3-19-2010 : NVC Recieved. Case # Assigned
3-22-2010 : E-Mails Given to NVC Operator
3-25-2010 : Received DS-3032 and AOS Bill
3-25-2010 : Applied for EP/DS-3032 e-mailed
3-25-2010 : Pay AOS Bill Online
4-04-2010 : E-mailed I-864
4-08-2010 : EP Accepted/Paid IV Bill
4-12-2010 : E-mailed DS-230
4-16-2010 : All documents accepted at NVC
4-22-2010 : Log in Fail!!
*NVC stage completed in 34 days.*


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