Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
CanAmCharlotte

USCIS is doing my head in

14 posts in this topic

Recommended Posts

A supervisor from the "customer service" branch of the USCIS Field Directorate in Washington called me this morning. Although I was very surprised to receive a phone call, it didn't come totally out of the blue. I have written a number of letters to various officials about immigration reform and about my specific immigration journey which has been fraught with mistakes, glitches, delays, you name it. With regards to applying for naturalization, she stated the USCIS counts "complete months" (her words) when applying before residency is met. Huh? All the instructions that I've read, state: "....you may apply for naturalization up to 90 days before you meet the 'continuous residency' requirement". She actually said if you meet your residency, say on August 15, that counts as one month and so the earliest you can apply is June 15 because June and July would each count for one month. I don't have a degree in math but using her example, I count 61 days before meeting the residency requirement. She would not back down on this nor could she quote me on any statute or regulation to drive home her point.

I'm I out to lunch here (honestly, tell me if I am) or is this woman badly informed? I'd love to hear your feedback.

Thanks.


Jo-Anne

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well most probably she doesn't have a math degree either, but she still cannot count. I am not 100% sure of what the exact subject was, but she is correct in the sense that no one can naturalize until the 3rd year anniversary is met.

You can apply 90 days prior to your 3rd year anniversary, and you can interview within the 90 days, but cannot take the oath and I think that is what she meant.


N-400 Naturalization Timeline

06/28/11 .. Mailed N-400 package via Priority mail with delivery confirmation

06/30/11 .. Package Delivered to Dallas Lockbox

07/06/11 .. Received e-mail notification of application acceptance

07/06/11 .. Check cashed

07/08/11 .. Received NOA letter

07/29/11 .. Received text/e-mail for biometrics notice

08/03/11 .. Received Biometrics letter - scheduled for 8/24/11

08/04/11 .. Walk-in finger prints done.

08/08/11 .. Received text/e-mail: Placed in line for interview scheduling

09/12/11 .. Received Yellow letter dated 9/7/11

09/13/11 .. Received text/e-mail: Interview scheduled

09/16/11 .. Received interview letter

10/19/11 .. Interview - PASSED

10/20/11 .. Received text/email: Oath scheduled

10/22/11 .. Received OATH letter

11/09/11 .. Oath ceremony

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A supervisor from the "customer service" branch of the USCIS Field Directorate in Washington called me this morning. Although I was very surprised to receive a phone call, it didn't come totally out of the blue. I have written a number of letters to various officials about immigration reform and about my specific immigration journey which has been fraught with mistakes, glitches, delays, you name it. With regards to applying for naturalization, she stated the USCIS counts "complete months" (her words) when applying before residency is met. Huh? All the instructions that I've read, state: "....you may apply for naturalization up to 90 days before you meet the 'continuous residency' requirement". She actually said if you meet your residency, say on August 15, that counts as one month and so the earliest you can apply is June 15 because June and July would each count for one month. I don't have a degree in math but using her example, I count 61 days before meeting the residency requirement. She would not back down on this nor could she quote me on any statute or regulation to drive home her point.

I'm I out to lunch here (honestly, tell me if I am) or is this woman badly informed? I'd love to hear your feedback.

Thanks.

Going by my prior conversations with USCIS, you are better off talking to a park bench.

My sister is in a residential home for people with mental problems or alzheimers

I have had more intelligent conversations with the patients in there than the USCIS

90 days are 90 days and I can't see when 90 days would be 60 days

As the previous poster mentioned, applying early, even if you could, would not help with the ceremony date which cannot be before the third or fifth anniversary

I apply next week and my 3rd anniversary is early november

Never mind 17 bloody 76, my ceremony date will be the biggest freedom event in my life and I am talking freedom from the USCIS, not freedom from Being a UK Citizen where we know everyone is under the heel of a dictator (The Queen) and there is no freedom of speech and nobody can vote blah blah blah ra ra ra


moresheep400100.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Going by my prior conversations with USCIS, you are better off talking to a park bench.

My sister is in a residential home for people with mental problems or alzheimers

I have had more intelligent conversations with the patients in there than the USCIS

90 days are 90 days and I can't see when 90 days would be 60 days

As the previous poster mentioned, applying early, even if you could, would not help with the ceremony date which cannot be before the third or fifth anniversary

I apply next week and my 3rd anniversary is early november

Never mind 17 bloody 76, my ceremony date will be the biggest freedom event in my life and I am talking freedom from the USCIS, not freedom from Being a UK Citizen where we know everyone is under the heel of a dictator (The Queen) and there is no freedom of speech and nobody can vote blah blah blah ra ra ra

I have no dispute with the USCIS about when the oath can be made and this was never discussed in my conversation with the person in the Washington office this morning. We were "discussing" the date on which one can apply for naturalization. I have written to the Associate Director for Field Operations three times and she keeps pawning me off to this same underling who is totally clueless. I don't have to tell the people on this website how frustrating it is to deal with these people. It really is like talking to a wall (or park bench). At any rate, if I'm successful at my interview in two weeks (this will be my second and last attempt), like you, my joy will be all about never having to deal with the USCIS again. Unfortunately they have tainted any happiness I may have felt about becoming a citizen. I always thought the oath day would be such a joyous occasion and now it's just the marking of the end of a long, horrible experience. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood due to the call today but I"ve gotten to the point where I'm wondering why I just didn't stop at becoming a permanent resident.

Thanks for weighing in.


Jo-Anne

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have no dispute with the USCIS about when the oath can be made and this was never discussed in my conversation with the person in the Washington office this morning. We were "discussing" the date on which one can apply for naturalization. I have written to the Associate Director for Field Operations three times and she keeps pawning me off to this same underling who is totally clueless. I don't have to tell the people on this website how frustrating it is to deal with these people. It really is like talking to a wall (or park bench). At any rate, if I'm successful at my interview in two weeks (this will be my second and last attempt), like you, my joy will be all about never having to deal with the USCIS again. Unfortunately they have tainted any happiness I may have felt about becoming a citizen. I always thought the oath day would be such a joyous occasion and now it's just the marking of the end of a long, horrible experience. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood due to the call today but I"ve gotten to the point where I'm wondering why I just didn't stop at becoming a permanent resident.

Thanks for weighing in.

No comprendo senora !

If your USC interview is in 2 weeks then they have already accepted that you applied in the correct 90 day window ?

Did you apply within the 90 days that we non- Klingons see as 90 days, or the 3 months as defined by the USCIS talking parrot which is 60 days to everyone else in the universe ? ie no earlier than 15 June for a 15 august anniversary ?

I am applying next week 90 days prior to my early November anniversary so it's crucial if the USCIS are going to say early November people cannot apply before early September...

tell me this isn't how it is...


moresheep400100.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No comprendo senora !

If your USC interview is in 2 weeks then they have already accepted that you applied in the correct 90 day window ?

Did you apply within the 90 days that we non- Klingons see as 90 days, or the 3 months as defined by the USCIS talking parrot which is 60 days to everyone else in the universe ? ie no earlier than 15 June for a 15 august anniversary ?

I am applying next week 90 days prior to my early November anniversary so it's crucial if the USCIS are going to say early November people cannot apply before early September...

tell me this isn't how it is...

I applied more than a year ago and was denied for applying too early. I was told by various USCIS staff that: (1) I applied within the proper timeframe (unfortunately these people carried no weight); (2) that I applied six days too early; (3) that I applied seventeen days too early, and (4) that I applied two months too early. I was even called by a USCIS Special Agent from my regional office who told me "off the record" to pursue my grievance because I had a case. You can see my frustration. If they were all singing from the same song sheet perhaps they could convince me that I was in error but alas, we are dealing with the USCIS here! After getting the run-around for many months and realizing I was getting nowhere, I broke down and applied again. Obviously patience is not one of my strong suits. At this point I just want my money back for the first application as crazy as that must sound. I can't think of anybody else to contact at this point so I'm probably SOL.

In your case, I don't know what to tell you. This idiot I was talking to today probably can't walk and chew gum at the same time. If I was in your shoes, in less there is some dire emergency to do so, I'd wait an extra month before applying to be safe. Hundreds of people on this website have applied 90 days prior to meeting residency and been successful but there have been a few people who have had a situation like me.


Jo-Anne

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I applied more than a year ago and was denied for applying too early. I was told by various USCIS staff that: (1) I applied within the proper timeframe (unfortunately these people carried no weight); (2) that I applied six days too early; (3) that I applied seventeen days too early, and (4) that I applied two months too early. I was even called by a USCIS Special Agent from my regional office who told me "off the record" to pursue my grievance because I had a case. You can see my frustration. If they were all singing from the same song sheet perhaps they could convince me that I was in error but alas, we are dealing with the USCIS here! After getting the run-around for many months and realizing I was getting nowhere, I broke down and applied again. Obviously patience is not one of my strong suits. At this point I just want my money back for the first application as crazy as that must sound. I can't think of anybody else to contact at this point so I'm probably SOL.

In your case, I don't know what to tell you. This idiot I was talking to today probably can't walk and chew gum at the same time. If I was in your shoes, in less there is some dire emergency to do so, I'd wait an extra month before applying to be safe. Hundreds of people on this website have applied 90 days prior to meeting residency and been successful but there have been a few people who have had a situation like me.

oh Dear Jo-Anne I am so sorry for that run around. They are rotten to mess people like that.

Wait until you are USC in a couple of months then sue em in the small claims court. Add 10k for trauma in addition to your fees. DO NOT LET THEM WIN.

I had it at GC stage and even inside the London Embassy the guy called me to the counter and said "You don't have an appointment today - just how did you get past security ?"

I showed him my letter and he said "That was canceled - we sent you a new appointment yesterday". I had traveled 200 miles the day before to get there so the new appointment was on my doormat when I got home !

Anyway he gave in and I got the GC - he even trusted my travel date and made it unconditional ! It's a bloody lottery

Don't let em get away with it - 3 more letters then sue their battys off !

I had many more traumas and only now, 3 years later, am I feeling happier - they really saddened and depressed me and we were stuck in a dump in Lancashire for a year while they fooled around..

uuuurgggh

ok you are almost there. I think Yakima where I go has two or three months after the interview before they do the ceremony !!!!

rat bags

Edited by saywhat

moresheep400100.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh good gosh I know how you feel Jo Ann, take a look at my timeline. I am so sick of dealing with USCIS it's not funny. I will be so glad never to have to deal with them again!!! Good luck on your interview.

Lissa

I have no dispute with the USCIS about when the oath can be made and this was never discussed in my conversation with the person in the Washington office this morning. We were "discussing" the date on which one can apply for naturalization. I have written to the Associate Director for Field Operations three times and she keeps pawning me off to this same underling who is totally clueless. I don't have to tell the people on this website how frustrating it is to deal with these people. It really is like talking to a wall (or park bench). At any rate, if I'm successful at my interview in two weeks (this will be my second and last attempt), [b]like you, my joy will be all about never having to deal with the USCIS again. Unfortunately they have tainted any happiness I may have felt about becoming a citizen. I always thought the oath day would be such a joyous occasion and now it's just the marking of the end of a long, horrible experience. [/b] Maybe I'm just in a bad mood due to the call today but I"ve gotten to the point where I'm wondering why I just didn't stop at becoming a permanent resident.

Thanks for weighing in.


N-400

10/26/09 Sent application to Lewisville TX.

10/27/09 Rec'd Application signed by B. Conteh

10/29/09 Check cashed

11/02/09 Rec'd NOA date showing 10/29/09

11/09/09 Rec'd letter Bio Appointment

11/17/09 Bio Appointment 8am

11/20/09 Called FBI-Prints were sent back to USCIS same day.

12/03/09 Rec'd email from USCIS that the RFE was a mistake.

12/04/09 Rec'd email from USCIS saying that I have been transferred for an interview.

12/07/09 Rec'd letter for interview on 1/11/10 @11am in Fairfax, VA.

01/11/10 Interview completed. Passed test decision can't be made.

03/02/10 Contacted Senator's office...No reply yet!

03/04/10 Senator office called says can take up to 120 days.

04/12/10 Service request filed.

05/12/10 Contacted Senator's office again.

05/12/10 Told over the phone that I was approved. Believe it when I see it!

06/04/10 Senators office tells me the adjudicator who interviewed me thinks I have a criminal record. Send out all paper work showing no criminal record.

06/08/10 Leave for Canada

06/09/10 Get RCMP certificate showing no criminal record. Fax off to senators office.

06/23/10 Approved for Citizenship

06/24/10 USCIS contacts Senators office

06/28/10 Find out that I have been approved for citizenship and they are just waiting to schedule my oath.

07/12/10 Put in line for oath ceremony....wonder how long that will be!

08/18/10 Called USCIS confirmed they sent oath letter for 09/17/2010 at 9am.

09/17/10 Oath ceremony at 9am..... US Citizen!!!! Applied for passport.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh good gosh I know how you feel Jo Ann, take a look at my timeline. I am so sick of dealing with USCIS it's not funny. I will be so glad never to have to deal with them again!!! Good luck on your interview.

Lissa

I had a look at your timeline and that's a bloody nightmare! Don't you just love how you can get so far in the process and then suddenly they are questionning you about a criminal record. Huh? A similar thing happened to me at my K-1 interview even though I had a criminal background check in hand. The stories we can tell when this is over, oy vey!!!

Just for fun I Googled "USCIS sucks" yesterday and got pages of hits. Some of the stories had me laughing so hard I had tears running down my face. I know they're not funny to the immigrant who is in the middle of the mess but hopefully we can appreciate the comedy the USCIS offers us after the fact. I've never come close to dealing with an organization that seems so disorganized, poorly trained, and ineffective. When I've spoken to a few of my elected representatives in person about how bad it is, they just roll their eyes and tell me there is no rhyme nor reason to some of the ####### that goes down. My husband and I refer to the USCIS as 'The Stumblebums' or alternatively 'The Keystone Cops'.


Jo-Anne

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I had a look at your timeline and that's a bloody nightmare! Don't you just love how you can get so far in the process and then suddenly they are questionning you about a criminal record. Huh? A similar thing happened to me at my K-1 interview even though I had a criminal background check in hand. The stories we can tell when this is over, oy vey!!!

Just for fun I Googled "USCIS sucks" yesterday and got pages of hits. Some of the stories had me laughing so hard I had tears running down my face. I know they're not funny to the immigrant who is in the middle of the mess but hopefully we can appreciate the comedy the USCIS offers us after the fact. I've never come close to dealing with an organization that seems so disorganized, poorly trained, and ineffective. When I've spoken to a few of my elected representatives in person about how bad it is, they just roll their eyes and tell me there is no rhyme nor reason to some of the ####### that goes down. My husband and I refer to the USCIS as 'The Stumblebums' or alternatively 'The Keystone Cops'.

We were living in the UK and she had a UK conditional GC equivalent.

We applied to Nebraska as that covered her last residence in the US

They waited a couple of months and sent it back saying she is in the UK so apply to London.

We applied to London

They sent it back and said she is conditional so apply to Nebraska

Applied to Nebraska again with a copy of the London letter and they sent it to California.

California sent it back saying apply to London

This went on for a while and then we got to the more usual snags

Then in the last month they said she wasn't domiciled in England coz she was conditional and she wasn't domiciled in the US as she had sold her house and so she was a USC without a domicile and could not sponsor anyone. If we had lived in a non-State Income Tax State like Florida or Washington State we would have been snookered

She fished out her State income tax return (Wisconsin) and they eventually relented

Then the fiasco at the London embassy for the GC where they said I had gate crashed the embassy security without a valid letter

I am still a bit depressed from it all

Next week its the N400 in the mail - can't wait for all the ####### to come raining down.

Think I will go into the lotus position when I get back from the post office and try and prepare myself for the nightmare to come

Edited by saywhat

moresheep400100.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We were living in the UK and she had a UK conditional GC equivalent.

We applied to Nebraska as that covered her last residence in the US

They waited a couple of months and sent it back saying she is in the UK so apply to London.

We applied to London

They sent it back and said she is conditional so apply to Nebraska

Applied to Nebraska again with a copy of the London letter and they sent it to California.

California sent it back saying apply to London

This went on for a while and then we got to the more usual snags

Then in the last month they said she wasn't domiciled in England coz she was conditional and she wasn't domiciled in the US as she had sold her house and so she was a USC without a domicile and could not sponsor anyone. If we had lived in a non-State Income Tax State like Florida or Washington State we would have been snookered

She fished out her State income tax return (Wisconsin) and they eventually relented

Then the fiasco at the London embassy for the GC where they said I had gate crashed the embassy security without a valid letter

I am still a bit depressed from it all

Next week its the N400 in the mail - can't wait for all the ####### to come raining down.

Think I will go into the lotus position when I get back from the post office and try and prepare myself for the nightmare to come

Good God Almighty, what a mess! I feel your pain, honestly I do. I think only people who have immigrated to the US can fully appreciate how taxing the process is. I used to say online dating (how I met my husband) was not for the faint of heart. Now I say the same about dealing with the USCIS. My advice to anyone who is thinking of climbing onto the immigration train is simple: if you have any drama going on in your life, wait until it resolves itself because this process will wear you down. Let me be quick to add I do not think immigration should be easy nor necessarily fast. I also don't believe it is my 'right' to become an American citizen. BUT after many hundreds of dollars in fees, mountains of paperwork to complete, a full cavity search of my finances, a five (?!) hour physical, a complete police background check, and several rounds of fingerprinting, is it really too much to expect to be treated fairly, consistently, and respectfully. I know, I know, I'm such a dreamer.........

Here's hoping your N-400 is accepted without a hitch!

Edited by CanAmCharlotte

Jo-Anne

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good God Almighty, what a mess! I feel your pain, honestly I do. I think only people who have immigrated to the US can fully appreciate how taxing the process is. I used to say online dating (how I met my husband) was not for the faint of heart. Now I say the same about dealing with the USCIS. My advice to anyone who is thinking of climbing onto the immigration train is simple: if you have any drama going on in your life, wait until it resolves itself because this process will wear you down. Let me be quick to add I do not think immigration should be easy nor necessarily fast. I also don't believe it is my 'right' to become an American citizen. BUT after many hundreds of dollars in fees, mountains of paperwork to complete, a full cavity search of my finances, a five (?!) hour physical, a complete police background check, and several rounds of fingerprinting, is it really too much to expect to be treated fairly, consistently, and respectfully. I know, I know, I'm such a dreamer.........

Here's hoping your N-400 is accepted without a hitch!

Some of the folks on VJ were sailing along while I was being waterboarded.. and then I got my unconditional GC and they hit a world of hurt at the last minute and it took em a year to sort it out

You can never tell.

When she got her UK green card it was a piece of cake. No medical, no police certificate NOTHING. We walked into the UK consulate in Chicago and came out with a UK GC after 20 minutes. That was 2006. I have had tougher library ticket applications.

We shall overcome.

I can understand why people on VJ end up praying and then laying prostrate on the ground in front of god and weeping when they get approved. I have felt like that a few times over the last few years. Of course we Brits are made of sterner stuff - but we are human. Could be the US is testing our mettle to see if we will make warriors for the Empire.

My warrior days are over unless they try and steal my $675 in which case they can look out.


moresheep400100.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Could be the US is testing our mettle to see if we will make warriors for the Empire.

My warrior days are over unless they try and steal my $675 in which case they can look out.

I think if you survive the torturous "adventure" with USCIS, then you deserve to get the GC. Look at it as civilian boot-camp - actually, it is more like civilian and financial boot-camp ;)


N-400 Naturalization Timeline

06/28/11 .. Mailed N-400 package via Priority mail with delivery confirmation

06/30/11 .. Package Delivered to Dallas Lockbox

07/06/11 .. Received e-mail notification of application acceptance

07/06/11 .. Check cashed

07/08/11 .. Received NOA letter

07/29/11 .. Received text/e-mail for biometrics notice

08/03/11 .. Received Biometrics letter - scheduled for 8/24/11

08/04/11 .. Walk-in finger prints done.

08/08/11 .. Received text/e-mail: Placed in line for interview scheduling

09/12/11 .. Received Yellow letter dated 9/7/11

09/13/11 .. Received text/e-mail: Interview scheduled

09/16/11 .. Received interview letter

10/19/11 .. Interview - PASSED

10/20/11 .. Received text/email: Oath scheduled

10/22/11 .. Received OATH letter

11/09/11 .. Oath ceremony

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think if you survive the torturous "adventure" with USCIS, then you deserve to get the GC. Look at it as civilian boot-camp - actually, it is more like civilian and financial boot-camp ;)

If these guys had done the GC process first, they would have been able to laugh the water boarding off no problem :

Remember what they say - 'what doesn't kill you leaves you a cabbage':

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003 and Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August 2002.

Edited by saywhat

moresheep400100.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
Didn't find the answer you were looking for? Ask our VJ Immigration Lawyers.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
- Back to Top -


Important Disclaimer: Please read carefully the Visajourney.com Terms of Service. If you do not agree to the Terms of Service you should not access or view any page (including this page) on VisaJourney.com. Answers and comments provided on Visajourney.com Forums are general information, and are not intended to substitute for informed professional medical, psychiatric, psychological, tax, legal, investment, accounting, or other professional advice. Visajourney.com does not endorse, and expressly disclaims liability for any product, manufacturer, distributor, service or service provider mentioned or any opinion expressed in answers or comments. VisaJourney.com does not condone immigration fraud in any way, shape or manner. VisaJourney.com recommends that if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423. All reported threads/posts containing reference to immigration fraud or illegal activities will be removed from this board. If you feel that you have found inappropriate content, please let us know by contacting us here with a url link to that content. Thank you.
×