A qusestion to men who would pay for sex...

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George Carlin on prostitution

[justashooter 430]

I don't advocate illegal immigration.

Oh, and I found this, although to be fair it looks fake (in this instance, I don't think any police force cuffs in front )

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fail on the first statement. don't make me do a search and prove your customary stance on giving status to illegals.

as for the article referenced: police "crackdown" on prostitution from time to time to show westerners how civilized china is. they usually pick on the shops and brothels that are not paying protection money. they might arrest 1/100000 of a percent of the girls that work the hotels and "foot massage shops" in any given year.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Assuming you weren't buying them trinkets... why do you think they were screwing you?

For the same reason I was screwing them, initially -- pleasure. The problems came when they wanted more than sex, they wanted to date. I just wanted sex, and once they started making noises about going to dinner or anything more than just going to a kegger and then maybe having a shag afterwards, I was outta there.

Lest you think these were all mealy-mouthed, Birkenstock-wearing, granola-eating, left-wing, limp-wristed wet things of the male persuasion, I can assure you they were "real men" who made a lot of noises about just nailing chicks and moving on. I guess I specialised for a while in showing them that what's sauce for the goose can also be fed quite nicely to the gander. None of this was meant in a mean-spirited way; I was very kind to them all and tried to treat them with compassion and understanding when I explained that it was only about sex, and maybe playing beer pong at some point.

And then I met some nice chap who was good enough in bed and interesting enough outside to make me stick around for more, and harmony was restored to the world.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The statement that the difference between prostitutes and other women can be summed up by a crude and cynical analogy to taxis and cars arises from ideology not from biology.

[Peikko 1,575]

fail on the first statement. don't make me do a search and prove your customary stance on giving status to illegals.

as for the article referenced: police "crackdown" on prostitution from time to time to show westerners how civilized china is. they usually pick on the shops and brothels that are not paying protection money. they might arrest 1/100000 of a percent of the girls that work the hotels and "foot massage shops" in any given year.

Dig away, I have never advocated immigrating without using the proper channels. Perhaps if you read through it all again you might understand what my real objections are - but I doubt it.

Your analysis of why the police in China crack down on prostitution in China is silly. Next thing you will be saying is that Chinese authorities 'clean up' their criminal execution policy to prove to the West how they really do respect human rights.

The truth is that even the men who use prostitutes do not respect the prostitutes for the most part.. I would be much more accepting of the whole prostitution question if the women who engage in prostitution were respected as people, but what seems to happen is that men who use prostitutes disrespect all women or segregate women into two categories, respectable women one can marry and disreputable women that one fucks for fun (this segregation is sometimes even blamed on the prostitute, these are women who just do not want to participate in normal society,why should we force them to?). In other words, prostitution is a function of the fact that some men never develop a healthy attitude towards sex - if they want to bang a woman they must be able to, regardless of whether there is a woman around who wants to bang him on his terms.

None of that changes reality that there are all kinds of dysfunctional sexual relationships, not just within the world of the sex trade - of course there are, and it is not only men that fail to learn how to have sex within acceptable parameters, ie all cards on the table as to what the sex is for for both parties. Partly this is the fault of religious 'rules' that demand sex be confined to one particular relationship and partly that is a legacy of the fact that women have only recently been able to control their own destiny by being able to own and pass down property, access authority on their own behalf and compete for jobs in all sectors of society - and that is only true in the most developed societies.

[justashooter 430]

blah, blah, blah, western mindset, blah, blah, blah

we all know which side of the fence you stand on, sugar.

as for chinese executions. they do clean up afterwards. i've seen chinese executions, and they always clean up afterwards.

as for your imperialist mindset and your demand that everyone's experience be defined by your cognitive schema, that's just bunkum. the united kingdom failed because it couldn't control the hearts and minds of it's colonials. they had hearts and minds of their own. similarly, you fail in this debate, because you are not in control of the experiences of others.

[Peikko 1,575]

we all know which side of the fence you stand on, sugar.

as for chinese executions. they do clean up afterwards. i've seen chinese executions, and they always clean up afterwards.

as for your imperialist mindset and your demand that everyone's experience be defined by your cognitive schema, that's just bunkum. the united kingdom failed because it couldn't control the hearts and minds of it's colonials. they had hearts and minds of their own. similarly, you fail in this debate, because you are not in control of the experiences of others.

Is that another way of saying that when a man gets the urge to ####, by golly he has the right to #### a woman and if that means the woman has to lie back and take it (so long as he pays the going rate of course) then that's just how it has to be?

As usual, I have no idea what the point of referencing Great British imperialsm is in this context, nor what 'cleaning up' after executions has to do with human rights but hey ho, you're long on words you don't understand and very on short on rationality.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Is that another way of saying that when a man gets the urge to ####, by golly he has the right to #### a woman and if that means the woman has to lie back and take it (so long as he pays the going rate of course) then that's just how it has to be?

As usual, I have no idea what the point of referencing Great British imperialsm is in this context, nor what 'cleaning up' after executions has to do with human rights but hey ho, you're long on words you don't understand and very on short on rationality.

Personally, I like the use of

cognitive schema

That's at least a 75-cent phrase just there.

[HAL 9000 96]

A question for members who would pay for scat postings from obvious purveyors of scat:

Why waste your time?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

A question for members who would pay for scat postings from obvious purveyors of scat:

Why waste your time?

I thought puns were illogical?

[DEDixon 39]

For the same reason I was screwing them, initially -- pleasure. The problems came when they wanted more than sex, they wanted to date. I just wanted sex, and once they started making noises about going to dinner or anything more than just going to a kegger and then maybe having a shag afterwards, I was outta there.

you should have taken on the client role and paid them for having sex with you. sure they would have said that you didn't have to pay them, but by insisting on paying them, they would get a clear message that you want nothing else. like someone said before, clients pay providers for sex and to LEAVE!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Reading the Shooter's posts would think that the UK hasn't changed much since the 1800s and people still sit in gentlemen's clubs, twirling their mustaches, saying "eh, What?" and talking about their next safari adventure.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

that kind of stuff doesn't play in the client-provider world. women who officially aren't providers though give it up as easily as a provider are called whores and sluts, but it makes no sense to call a provider a ####### or a ####### - she'll laugh at you and wonder what planet you are from.

So what are men who do that called then?

seems you are saying men exploit providers. i don't think so. i feel providers are in control and are in their chosen career so not exploitable.

It's not merely an issue of exploitation but of degradation. Prostitution is degrading to the women who do it (if that weren't the case, then how do these women end up bitter and jaded?). It's also degrading to the men - if the Guardian article was anything to go by. Self-loathing men who see prostitutes because they can't get it anywhere else and end up, on some level, feeling cheap and ashamed afterwards.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

you should have taken on the client role and paid them for having sex with you. sure they would have said that you didn't have to pay them, but by insisting on paying them, they would get a clear message that you want nothing else. like someone said before, clients pay providers for sex and to LEAVE!

Well, I made it clear to them it was only about sex, and maybe beer. Hell, we were only 20-21 years old; we could barely remember to go to class, let alone ponder how we would feel about each other after having sex.

[Amby 490]