I'm "African American"

[Peikko 1,575]

nor can you prove she wasn't the best qualified. it was a loaded selection process. if that does not bother you, then i'm apparently wasting my time.

and given the noise made over the selection, the winner was aware she was picked due to her minority status, and that apparently didn't bother her as she still holds the position.

You are trying to prove that minority candidates for jobs enjoy getting jobs simply because they are part of a minority. Why would you want to do that? Because you feel that minorities are somehow prone to underhand tactics? What is this bullshit?

[Ban Hammer 14,815]

It doesn't mean that the best qualified for the job didn't get the job either. She was awarded compensation and then that compensation award was overturned, for legal reasons. NONE OF THAT MATTERS in terms of your proving that minority candidates 'enjoy playing the race card'. IT"S TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

did the person who won resign or protest? um no. ergo, condoning the action. after all, it's a 125k job.........

[Ban Hammer 14,815]

You are trying to prove that minority candidates for jobs enjoy getting jobs simply because they are part of a minority. Why would you want to do that? Because you feel that minorities are somehow prone to underhand tactics? What is this bullshit?

are you being intentionally obtuse by insisting that limiting the selection process to only minorities results in getting the best qualified?

[Peikko 1,575]

Not only did you not prove it with your article, you have proceeded to maintain that the present incumbent of the job knows she is unfit to be in that job but is quite happy to pretend that she is to keep the job. What kind of hateful nonsense is that?

are you being intentionally obtuse by insisting that limiting the selection process to only minorities results in getting the best qualified?

Do you honestly believe that's what I have maintained in this argument? Go read it again, that's bullshit.

[natty bumppo 297]

are you being intentionally obtuse by insisting that limiting the selection process to only minorities results in getting the best qualified?

proven the approach doesn't work ... and can be reversed

in case you missed the post ...

[Peikko 1,575]

did the person who won resign or protest? um no. ergo, condoning the action. after all, it's a 125k job.........

Why should she resign? Only you seem to know that she isn't qualified to do the job because she got the job because she knowingly and with a full entitlement of gloating got the job simply because she was part of a minority group and turned up at the the interview. She should really be cleaning toilets in Wallmart.

[Ban Hammer 14,815]

Not only did you not prove it with your article, you have proceeded to maintain that the present incumbent of the job knows she is unfit to be in that job but is quite happy to pretend that she is to keep the job. What kind of hateful nonsense is that?

Do you honestly believe that's what I have maintained in this argument? Go read it again, that's bullshit.

didn't say she's unfit. where did i say that? what i'm getting at is this: she's aware that she won the position due to the selection process being limited to minorities. i don't know about you, but if i got a job and it was based on my skin color rather than my qualifications, i'd be quite peeved.

Why should she resign? Only you seem to know that she isn't qualified to do the job because she got the job because she knowingly and with a full entitlement of gloating got the job simply because she was part of a minority group and turned up at the the interview. She should really be cleaning toilets in Wallmart.

only you seem to think she is the best overall without knowing the qualifications of those other candidates.

now spare me the cleaning lady remarks.

proven the approach doesn't work ... and can be reversed

in case you missed the post ...

oh i know - sotomayor's handiwork.

Edited February 9, 2010 by charles!

[natty bumppo 297]

didn't say she's unfit. where did i say that? what i'm getting at is this: she's aware that she won the position due to the selection process being limited to minorities. i don't know about you, but if i got a job and it was based on my skin color rather than my qualifications, i'd be quite peeved.

unfortunately ... that is you ... me ... and a few others.

many may just feel the system owed them ... an entitlement ... and would simple accept and move on ...

[Fandango 1,440]

What rubbish. Who is advocating that affirmative action will cure ignorance.? You can take your straw man argument somewhere else because it won't fly here. Where do you get this stuff anyway?

Am I to believe that since my previous post, you called your Black friends and family to find out whether or not they "still assert that affirmative action is inherently racist? Gimme a break!

You refuse to say whether your Black friends or family members have been discriminated against. If they have been discriminated against, wouldn't it seem rather strange to you that they would think affirmative action is racist? Next, you will be telling me that there is no discrimination in America today, and that everyone is playing on a level playing field...and that your Black friends and family agree!

If a person is discriminated against, how can there be equal opportunity?

For the reading comprehension challenged: in my posts in this thread, I am using ignorance = racism = discrimination. After all, if someone is racist/discriminatory wrt skin tone, they are ignorant in my book. YOU yourself are pointing out the correlation between affirmative action and discrimination. To which my reply is AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DOESN'T SOLVE DISCRIMINATION. I'm talking as a whole, generally, socially. You can be discriminated against at a store, in a restaurant, etc....that doesn't mean that people who feel that AA is inherently racist are suddenly going to change their opinion. Get it? Jeez.

People will ALWAYS be discriminated against. Again, I'm speaking generally here, and not just work/school related. Whether it's the color of their skin, their religion, etc. We don't live in a nanny world where gov't can solve everything. The difference between NOW and THEN is that it's not socially acceptable. It's not out in the open. Is it still done? SURE IS. Not only to blacks, but to many different walks of life, I'm quite sure.

The opinion of my black friends and family has no bearing on the validity of my own opinion. Get it? I don't need 'one black person' to agree with me to validate my opinion, I stand beside it as is. Ironically, you don't even know (or at least most wouldn't know) the color of my own skin. Hrmm.

The funny thing is, imo, you're being exceptionally pedantic by actually highlighting my word 'still' in my post to make way for some irrelevant and exceptionally ridiculous response. To think you actually sat down to reply to me and you spent time actually to type out whether or not I called my black friends/family to see if they, RIGHT THIS SECOND, still asserted what I already know then to think....well that shows me that you're more interested in bickering than actually having an intelligent dialogue and actually learning more about my opinion, should you have been so inclined. Like, you read it, had nothing constructive to actually say to me, but saw that word 'still' and went 'A-HA! I can make this point and that'll teach her! And I'll throw in the much overused & trite term 'strawman' too!'

I mean really.

If that's what you got from all of my posts, stop replying to me pls because I'm tired of repeating myself, and obviously this discussion is going way over your head. To attempt to 'prove my opinion wrong' because I don't have an 'up to the minute signed testimony from any and all of my black friends/family' is just honestly quite laughable for a grown adult. Go hump someone else's leg pls.

ETA: I noticed a typo in here but decided to leave it, just so you can have something else to drool over. 'she made a typo! that means her opinion sucks! w00t!'

Edited February 9, 2010 by Happy Bunny

[Peikko 1,575]

didn't say she's unfit. where did i say that? what i'm getting at is this: she's aware that she won the position due to the selection process being limited to minorities. i don't know about you, but if i got a job and it was based on my skin color rather than my qualifications, i'd be quite peeved.

only you seem to think she is the best overall without knowing the qualifications of those other candidates.

now spare me the cleaning lady remarks.

oh i know - sotomayor's handiwork.

You are the one trying to use this case as a basis that it is PROOF THAT MINORITY CANDIDATES PLAY THE RACE CARD. You have failed to do so. The winner may well have had equal or better qualifications than any of the other candidates and yet you post the bolded, as if somehow that must be true. After all, she knows she's not really qualified for that job she only got it because she's from a minority group. How can she possibly stay on in the job knowing all this? How absolutely monstrous!

You are making that assumption as if it is somehow normal behaviour for minorities, that they don't care about being the best, only about getting on a list where minorities will be prefered. That's the biggest load of manure and yet you don't think any of this is in any way racist or bigoted? Amazing.

unfortunately ... that is you ... me ... and a few others.

many may just feel the system owed them ... an entitlement ... and would simple accept and move on ...

Right, because minorities don't have the same moral standards as white people, right?

[mawilson 2,133]

if someone is racist/discriminatory wrt skin tone, they are ignorant in my book.

Maybe they just don't like your skin tone, ever consider that?

[natty bumppo 297]

Right, because minorities don't have the same moral standards as white people, right?

never said that ... where did i say white people? you just did ...

white people are not always the majority ... in some places they are actually the minority population.

[Fandango 1,440]

Maybe they just don't like your skin tone, ever consider that?

To judge someone based on skin color is ignorant.

[Ban Hammer 14,815]

You are the one trying to use this case as a basis that it is PROOF THAT MINORITY CANDIDATES PLAY THE RACE CARD. You have failed to do so. The winner may well have had equal or better qualifications than any of the other candidates and yet you post the bolded, as if somehow that must be true. After all, she knows she's not really qualified for that job she only got it because she's from a minority group. How can she possibly stay on in the job knowing all this? How absolutely monstrous!

You are making that assumption as if it is somehow normal behaviour for minorities, that they don't care about being the best, only about getting on a list where minorities will be prefered. That's the biggest load of manure and yet you don't think any of this is in any way racist or bigoted? Amazing.

play the smoke and mirror game all you want. the fact remains that candidates were shut out from the job because of their ethnicity. and yeah, the winner may have better qualifications, but when limiting the selection pool to certain ethnicities i'm finding it difficult to believe that the best overall (including the ones shut out) won the process. and the reason for that is - if they'd have won on merit alone, why have the selection limited to certain ethnicities?

and i'll agree to that in bold - towards those shut out from the selection process just due to their skin color.

[Peikko 1,575]

never said that ... where did i say white people? you just did ...

white people are not always the majority ... in some places they are actually the minority population.

You two are really ignorant.

In a job such as the one in Charles article, anyone shortlisted for the job is QUALIFIED to do that job. At the end of the day, the choice of candidate is down to being the 'best fit' which is not exactly an empirical decision. To suggest that the person who did succeed was not fit to get the job and should resign is laughable in its stupidity EXCEPT THAT SUCH A SUGGESTION IS IN FACt ONLY POSSIBLE IF YOU ARE RACIST. Even if you are not aware that you are, sometimes, your actions belie your true beliefs.

Your comment was equally racist because you are suggesting that there are real situations where white people are chosen to do a job because they are white but do not accept that job because they have been chosen simply because of their skin colour, while all the time minorities just accept this as part of their due entailment and have no compunction about 'stealing' a job from a white man.

Seemingly, you two have no idea that this is what you are doing, hence, ignorance.