Turkish girl, 16, 'buried alive by her father because she had friendships with boys'

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How do you "hold them accountable" exactly?

[Peikko 1,575]

What do you mean your not sure what I mean by 'stand up'. I have made it clear about what should be done, in a nutshell hold the Turkish Gov. accountable and let them know having a debate will not cut it, the gov. should be demanding it from the Kurdish is SE and hold them accountable if they dont comply.

I never said anyone was defending it or found it acceptable, what I took issue with was the 'do nothing let them work it out' attitude.

Don't apply for a diplomatic position any time soon Simpson.

Seriously, you don't think that western governments and agencies are doing everything they can now to change how things are for women and children in countries over which they have some influence? Your 'answer' would in fact turn this unfortunate situation into another recruiting poster for the radical elements within these societies. Do you want 'taliban' type organizations to pop up everywhere?

Edited February 5, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[_Simpson_ 250]

Turkey wants to be part of the European Union, take a wild guess why they still have not been able to achieve that goal.

This is a step in the right direction, is this enough in your eyes? Do you think we should do more?, I do. This alone has not been very affective.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

One thing that fascinates me about this discussion is that the same posters debating a murder by people identified as Muslim by association with the majority faith of the country do not attach a stigma to a faith shared by non-Muslims who murder their family members in the US. Everyday there are countless articles about parents killing their children or SO, and, while these are condemned, no credence is given to religion in these killings, but it is assumed when Muslims kill. That assumption taints all Muslims as casual potential murderers, or, makes them less than devout because they don't kill, as their faith must call them to do. It also assumes that we can do what you fail to do yourselves - stop murder.

[Peikko 1,575]

Gene what do you think we should do if Turkey does nothing to solve this problem? Let it be, its not our problem?

Why are you assuming the Turkish government is doing nothing? They are already calling it a criminal act, have run an investigation leading to the arrest of the suspects and they will stand trial. That seems to me to be rather a lot for a government that 'does nothing to solve this problem'.

Edited February 5, 2010 by Madame Cleo

[FortLaudy 10]

One thing that fascinates me about this discussion is that the same posters debating a murder by people identified as Muslim by association with the majority faith of the country do not attach a stigma to a faith shared by non-Muslims who murder their family members in the US. Everyday there are countless articles about parents killing their children or SO, and, while these are condemned, no credence is given to religion in these killings, but it is assumed when Muslims kill. That assumption taints all Muslims as casual potential murderers, or, makes them less than devout because they don't kill, as their faith must call them to do. It also assumes that we can do what you fail to do yourselves - stop murder.

And therefore I posted the story of how it often occurs in India too, it's a problem within a family unit and their belief on acceptable punishment for dishonoring family honor, and this problem can really only be solved from within. The concept of "family honor" is not such a big issue everywhere though, is it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Gene what do you think we should do if Turkey does nothing to solve this problem? Let it be, its not our problem?

You're assuming that its a problem that's exclusive to turkey. It isn't. It happens in the west too.

Its kind of ridiculous to demand that Turkey solve this problem, any more than it would be if Turkey demanded accountability for the high rates of gun crime and gang activity in some US cities?

Ridiculous yes? Well that's essentially what you're asking for here.

[FortLaudy 10]

This is a step in the right direction, is this enough in your eyes? Do you think we should do more?, I do. This alone has not been very affective.

Well obviously there are a ton of benefits for Turkey to join the EU, does it deter ordinary families of that country to not take the law into their own hands when they feel compelled to do so? No.

Its kind of ridiculous to demand that Turkey solve this problem, any more than it would be if Turkey demanded accountability for the high rates of gun crime and gang activity in some US cities?

Turkey must, they must demand too great idea

[_Simpson_ 250]

Don't apply for a diplomatic position any time soon Simpson.

Seriously, you don't think that western governments and agencies are doing everything they can now to change how things are for women and children in countries over which they have some influence? Your 'answer' would in fact turn this unfortunate situation into another recruiting poster for the radical elements within these societies. Do you want 'taliban' type organizations to pop up everywhere?

Tell you what I wont apply for a diplomatic position if agree to stay out of the costumer service department.

No I dont think there doing "everything they can". I often think the world is too worried about stepping on toes and stop short of doing "all they can".

[FortLaudy 10]

Tell you what I wont apply for a diplomatic position if agree to stay out of the costumer service department.

No I dont think there doing "everything they can". I often think the world is too worried about stepping on toes and stop short of doing "all they can".

I'm kinda scared by what you mean by "all they can" sounds a little like playing world domination... If countries follow this "all they can" attitude towards domestic problems like this, we'll all be broke-#### very soon and at war with everyone.

[Nizzy 1]

Pressure on a world stage, sanctions, do whatever it takes but to act like we should do nothing and ignore it because it just a few debates away...well thats ridiculous. What do you propose we do? Nothing because its not our country?

Once again thinking we could have a productive debate with such backwards thinking is a joke, by demand I mean do things that are effective not debate, say this is how its going to be and how do we get to that point.

BS we can stay within the law and do plenty, we as a whole need to condemn this, its there country BS needs to end. I am not saying go to war or anything extreme like that so you dont need to go in that direction. But to act like we cant do nothing is pathetic.

I think we need to put the same efforts into the pedophiles here in the U.S. who get away with hurting innocent children.

[_Simpson_ 250]

One thing that fascinates me about this discussion is that the same posters debating a murder by people identified as Muslim by association with the majority faith of the country do not attach a stigma to a faith shared by non-Muslims who murder their family members in the US. Everyday there are countless articles about parents killing their children or SO, and, while these are condemned, no credence is given to religion in these killings, but it is assumed when Muslims kill. That assumption taints all Muslims as casual potential murderers, or, makes them less than devout because they don't kill, as their faith must call them to do. It also assumes that we can do what you fail to do yourselves - stop murder.

Not a fair comparison, in the US we hold them accountable and give stiff sentences. This can not be said for Turkey, this is my issue. In Turkey many look the other way or try to convince us that it was a suicide knowing dam well it wasn't.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

One thing that fascinates me about this discussion is that the same posters debating a murder by people identified as Muslim by association with the majority faith of the country do not attach a stigma to a faith shared by non-Muslims who murder their family members in the US. Everyday there are countless articles about parents killing their children or SO, and, while these are condemned, no credence is given to religion in these killings, but it is assumed when Muslims kill.

Good point!

[_Simpson_ 250]

I think we need to put the same efforts into the pedophiles here in the U.S. who get away with hurting innocent children.

Sad and pathetic I must say Nizzy, I see what your doing but tell you what if we treated pedophiles the way they treat these 'honor killings' I tell you what I would demand change too and be totally disgusted with our gov.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I'm kinda scared by what you mean by "all they can" sounds a little like playing world domination... If countries follow this "all they can" attitude towards domestic problems like this, we'll all be broke-#### very soon and at war with everyone.

Your going to extremes and once again taking a dishonest approach to my POV. I merely mean so much more could be done than what were doing now, like for example quit giving them voting rights on the UN council or sanctions.