EPA to Global Warming Deniers: GFY

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Libs sure like to use cartoons and childish imagery to illustrate what the are trying to say. Remind me a lot of children.

[NickD 203]

Least she is a chemical engineer, but worked in government all of her life with really no practical industrial experience. Can only wonder if her donating 200 bucks to Obama got her that job.

From: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/us/polit...eb-jackson.html

"December 11, 2008 The New Team

Lisa P. Jackson

By DAVID KOCIENIEWSKI As he prepares to take office, President-elect Barack Obama is relying on a small team of advisers who will lead his transition operation and help choose the members of his administration. Following is part of a series of profiles of potential members of the administration.

Name: Lisa P. Jackson

Being Considered For: Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency

Would bring to the job: Twenty years of experience as an environmental regulator and a reputation as a consensus builder. Ms. Jackson, who is a chemical engineer, brought a more policy-driven approach to New Jersey’s historically politicized Department of Environmental Protection as its commissioner. During her 33 months in that job, the state began conducting compliance sweeps to crack down on polluters in environmentally ravaged sections of Camden and Paterson, ended its controversial bear hunt and unveiled a plan to reduce carbon emissions 20 percent by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050.

Is linked to Mr. Obama by: His transition team. Like her boss, Gov. Jon S. Corzine, Ms. Jackson supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton over Mr. Obama in the Democratic presidential primaries. Besides making a $1,000 donation to Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2007, Ms. Jackson was an at-large delegate pledged to Mrs. Clinton; only later in 2008 did she donate $200 to the Obama campaign. Shortly after she was named Mr. Corzine’s chief of staff in late October — taking over on Dec. 1, becoming the first woman and first African American to hold the post — she was chosen by President-elect Obama in mid-November to serve on his transition panel for energy and the environment.

In her own words: “When it comes to the auto industry, the E.P.A. apparently is the Emissions Permissions Agency.” (Announcing in December 2007 that New Jersey would join other states in suing the Bush administration for its ruling that prevented states from enacting tougher fuel efficiency standards, a decision she called “a horrendous change of course.”)

Used to work as: An administrator in the federal Environmental Protection Agency for 16 years, where her duties included regulating the cleanup of hazardous waste sites under the Superfund program. She also ran various enforcement programs at both the E.P.A. and New Jersey’s Department of Environmental Protection, as well as New Jersey’s Land Use Management Program.

Carries as baggage: The E.P.A. criticized New Jersey in a recent report for moving too slowly to clean up some toxic waste sites. Some environmentalists also say she caved in to pressure from big business by supporting a plan that would privatize cleanup of hazardous waste sites, and from developers by diluting a proposal to enact stricter groundwater quality standards.

Also known for: Although her tenure at the Department of Environmental Protection involved dealing with an assortment of volatile political issues, Ms. Jackson’s measured approach won praise even from those who opposed her decisions; those diplomatic skills led Mr. Corzine to name her his chief of staff.

Biography: Born Feb. 8, 1962, in Philadelphia; adopted a few weeks later and raised in the Ninth Ward in New Orleans. ... first in her class at St. Mary’s Dominican High School (she once described her academic career, saying, “I was a straight ‘A’ student — a geek basically.”). ... graduated summa cum laude from Tulane University’s School of Chemical Engineering and earned a master’s in chemical engineering from Princeton University. ... She lives with her husband, Kenny Jackson, and their two sons in East Windsor, N.J. ... an avid cook, her signature dish — gumbo — is a tribute to her Louisiana roots. ... renowned for her annual Mardi Gras party, which she has not thrown since Hurricane Katrina devastated her hometown in 2005."

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Wait a minute, I am confused by the shell game.

You are calling it "Global warming" again..... has or has not the earth (globe) actually been cooling for the last decade?

Has it? Try the last 11 years, and call it weather patterns as the deniers (channeling BY: aka The idiots) seem to do.

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I heard this story on the radio this morning. While I tend to agree that perhaps its not the best approach to deal with the obvious; I think that years of inactivity by the nation's governmental protection agency for the environment requires action to bypass lobbying by politically motivated parties that obviously obfuscate real science.

And down the line, the effects DO affect human health- from food availability down to simple logistical access to water. Of course we;ll hear arguments from pig-headed individuals echoing the conspiracy bullsh!t line, but most rationally-minded folks will come to understand the rationale behind this kind of action.

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NickD brings up the extreme case of Hypercapnia- or CO2 poisoning. I can't remember offhand how many PPMs of CO2 (AND CO2 equivalents... as these are also being ruled now by the EPA, just in case any deniars of CO2 want to consider methane, etc.) in a gaseous volume you'd need to induce it in humans and other mammals. But to kick start the entire cascade of chain events, starting with those idiots that claim that more CO2 = more plant biomass, we need to consider that CO2 reaches toxic levels for plants as well in the thousands of PPM. Not that far off from the current level that hovers around 400ppm.

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NickD brings up the extreme case of Hypercapnia- or CO2 poisoning. I can't remember offhand how many PPMs of CO2 (AND CO2 equivalents... as these are also being ruled now by the EPA, just in case any deniars of CO2 want to consider methane, etc.) in a gaseous volume you'd need to induce it in humans and other mammals. But to kick start the entire cascade of chain events, starting with those idiots that claim that more CO2 = more plant biomass, we need to consider that CO2 reaches toxic levels for plants as well in the thousands of PPM. Not that far off from the current level that hovers around 400ppm.

Well since we are carbon units, my source is that Star Trek series, it would not be in the best interest for the environment for the government to burn us on this issue.

Gather that CO2 levels at around 15,000 ppm can have very negative affects on humans, 7.5% or 75,000 ppm would be deadly. In crowded assemblies like a theater or a church with very poor air exchange rates due to the high cost of energy, notice adverse symptoms at 400 ppm, yawning is key symptom, but also may be caused by pure boredom. More research is needed in this area.

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NickD brings up the extreme case of Hypercapnia- or CO2 poisoning. I can't remember offhand how many PPMs of CO2 (AND CO2 equivalents... as these are also being ruled now by the EPA, just in case any deniars of CO2 want to consider methane, etc.) in a gaseous volume you'd need to induce it in humans and other mammals. But to kick start the entire cascade of chain events, starting with those idiots that claim that more CO2 = more plant biomass, we need to consider that CO2 reaches toxic levels for plants as well in the thousands of PPM. Not that far off from the current level that hovers around 400ppm.

Well since we are carbon units, my source is that Star Trek series, it would not be in the best interest for the environment for the government to burn us on this issue.

Gather that CO2 levels at around 15,000 ppm can have very negative affects on humans, 7.5% or 75,000 ppm would be deadly. In crowded assemblies like a theater or a church with very poor air exchange rates due to the high cost of energy, notice adverse symptoms at 400 ppm, yawning is key symptom, but also may be caused by pure boredom. More research is needed in this area.

Actually, CO2 headaches start at around 5000ppm. 40,000ppm is imminently dangerous to human life.

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Quick, does anyone know which which pollutants are decreasing in the U.S. and which pollutant sources have decreased as well?

My guess is no one will know this one as they believe this country is getting progressively more polluted.

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A better question would be... what pollutants (and sources) are decreasing at a significant level?

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A better question would be... what pollutants (and sources) are decreasing at a significant level?

If Gore wants us to return CO2 levels back to the 60's, better reinstall all those steel mills back in Gary, so when you stand on the lakeshore in Chicago, all you can see is black, gray, purple, and yellow smoke. WI started open field manure spreading after it sits in a pool after six months, not that was really a set back when we use to have clean fresh air up here. Not only stinks to high heaven, but some rather nasty chemicals in there, like methane and chlorine gas.

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Wait a minute, I am confused by the shell game.

You are calling it "Global warming" again..... has or has not the earth (globe) actually been cooling for the last decade?

Has it? Try the last 11 years, and call it weather patterns as the deniers (channeling BY: aka The idiots) seem to do.

In that case, why don't we go back to calling it Global coolings (As we did in 1975).... if it is raising and falling for decades at a time?

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A better question would be... what pollutants (and sources) are decreasing at a significant level?

If Gore wants us to return CO2 levels back to the 60's, better reinstall all those steel mills back in Gary, so when you stand on the lakeshore in Chicago, all you can see is black, gray, purple, and yellow smoke. WI started open field manure spreading after it sits in a pool after six months, not that was really a set back when we use to have clean fresh air up here. Not only stinks to high heaven, but some rather nasty chemicals in there, like methane and chlorine gas.

I'd hope that CO2 levels would fall below 350ppm with an innovative industry capable of overcoming such detrimental waste products. Remember back to the last round of EPA mandates requiring companies to report in waste profiles. The companies themselves realized how much product they were wasting, thusly giving themselves an incentive to be more efficient in their entire cradle-to-grave process for product and waste management. Imagine making a profit in making all new kinds of industry more efficient and less polluting. Wow. I guess some folks still sh!t a brick when they think of Al Gore.

You forgot yellowcake uranium in South Chicago too.

Wait a minute, I am confused by the shell game.

You are calling it "Global warming" again..... has or has not the earth (globe) actually been cooling for the last decade?

Has it? Try the last 11 years, and call it weather patterns as the deniers (channeling BY: aka The idiots) seem to do.

In that case, why don't we go back to calling it Global coolings (As we did in 1975).... if it is raising and falling for decades at a time?

Because only morons confuse climate with weather cycles.

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Once again.

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Thread fart.

[NickD 203]

We do know this, getting the lowest EPA emission gasoline powered internal combustion engine vehicle, starting and running it in a close garage, you will be dead in ten minutes.

Now consider thousands of stalled vehicles, say on the Dan Ryan during rush hour, all idling on a hot windless day. So far really haven't heard of anyone dying from this, but certainly cannot be too great on your health. Especially if you do this everyday.