Wal-mart is doing more to lower Healthcare costs than Obama

[jundp 191]

Common sense would say that there are many many other companies that have employee subsidies as well. Just because Walmart is on top and successful is your main beef.

Again, I try to only spend my money at businesses who practice fair trade, who use fair labor practices, and who support cruelty-free products. There isn't much I can do to change much of the awful conditions which exist in the world, but I can spend my money with companies who try. WalMart definitely doesn't fall on that list.

Call me a snob. I call myself wise for spending my money in keeping with my morals.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What plan does Obama have? As far as I can tell, he has absolutely no health care plan. All aspects of the bill(s) in congress did not originate with him, they originated in congress. So, its laughable when he talks about "my plan".

Clearly, Joe, you're not an executive and have apparently no idea how an executive operates. The President has provided the guiding principles of what the measure should include. You can easily find these principles on the White House's web site.

The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:

• Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
• Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
• Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
• Invest in prevention and wellness
• Improve patient safety and quality of care
• Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
• Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
• End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

The President doesn't write legislation - that's the job of the Congress. To fault the President for leaving the legislative work to the very body to which this task is assigned by the Constitution is pretty ridiculous. Certainly when it comes from the camp that likes to accuse the President of wanting to dismantle the Constitution.

The Obama administration has taken the lesson which the Clinton administration learned the hard way seriously and has, as a result, seen the health care reform effort advance further than any administration in nearly a century. When Obama signs America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 into law, he will have accomplished what more than a dozen administrations prior failed to accomplish.

You may or may not agree with the health care reform effort making it's way through Congress - I've got my fair share of issues with the measure myself - but the very fact that the measure is advancing shows that the administration has chosen a viable path to get health care reform passed.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

What plan does Obama have? As far as I can tell, he has absolutely no health care plan. All aspects of the bill(s) in congress did not originate with him, they originated in congress. So, its laughable when he talks about "my plan".

Clearly, Joe, you're not an executive and have apparently no idea how an executive operates. The President has provided the guiding principles of what the measure should include. You can easily find these principles on the White House's web site.

The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:

• Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
• Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
• Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
• Invest in prevention and wellness
• Improve patient safety and quality of care
• Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
• Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
• End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

The President doesn't write legislation - that's the job of the Congress. To fault the President for leaving the legislative work to the very body to which this task is assigned by the Constitution is pretty ridiculous. Certainly when it comes from the camp that likes to accuse the President of wanting to dismantle the Constitution.

The Obama administration has taken the lesson which the Clinton administration learned the hard way seriously and has, as a result, seen the health care reform effort advance further than any administration in nearly a century. When Obama signs America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 into law, he will have accomplished what more than a dozen administrations prior failed to accomplish.

You may or may not agree with the health care reform effort making it's way through Congress - I've got my fair share of issues with the measure myself - but the very fact that the measure is advancing shows that the administration has chosen a viable path to get health care reform passed.

He talked many times of his "plan" in his address to congress. Saying "reform should include some jacked up form of this......" isn't a plan. There are no specifics, and therefore no plan.

Past presidents HAVE taken a more active role in having an actual "plan" that manifests itself in a bill. You can call me stupid and ignorant all you want, but it really doesn't prove one thing or another. Just that its your best line of argument.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What plan does Obama have? As far as I can tell, he has absolutely no health care plan. All aspects of the bill(s) in congress did not originate with him, they originated in congress. So, its laughable when he talks about "my plan".

Clearly, Joe, you're not an executive and have apparently no idea how an executive operates. The President has provided the guiding principles of what the measure should include. You can easily find these principles on the White House's web site.

The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:

• Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
• Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
• Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
• Invest in prevention and wellness
• Improve patient safety and quality of care
• Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
• Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
• End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

The President doesn't write legislation - that's the job of the Congress. To fault the President for leaving the legislative work to the very body to which this task is assigned by the Constitution is pretty ridiculous. Certainly when it comes from the camp that likes to accuse the President of wanting to dismantle the Constitution.

The Obama administration has taken the lesson which the Clinton administration learned the hard way seriously and has, as a result, seen the health care reform effort advance further than any administration in nearly a century. When Obama signs America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 into law, he will have accomplished what more than a dozen administrations prior failed to accomplish.

You may or may not agree with the health care reform effort making it's way through Congress - I've got my fair share of issues with the measure myself - but the very fact that the measure is advancing shows that the administration has chosen a viable path to get health care reform passed.

He talked many times of his "plan" in his address to congress. Saying "reform should include some jacked up form of this......" isn't a plan. There are no specifics, and therefore no plan.

Past presidents HAVE taken a more active role in having an actual "plan" that manifests itself in a bill. You can call me stupid and ignorant all you want, but it really doesn't prove one thing or another. Just that its your best line of argument.

Yes, and none of them has gotten health care reform passed. Writing bills isn't the job of the executive but that of the legislative branch. Why do you hate the Constitution?

[Joseph & Ana 0]

What plan does Obama have? As far as I can tell, he has absolutely no health care plan. All aspects of the bill(s) in congress did not originate with him, they originated in congress. So, its laughable when he talks about "my plan".

Clearly, Joe, you're not an executive and have apparently no idea how an executive operates. The President has provided the guiding principles of what the measure should include. You can easily find these principles on the White House's web site.

The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:

• Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
• Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
• Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
• Invest in prevention and wellness
• Improve patient safety and quality of care
• Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
• Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
• End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

The President doesn't write legislation - that's the job of the Congress. To fault the President for leaving the legislative work to the very body to which this task is assigned by the Constitution is pretty ridiculous. Certainly when it comes from the camp that likes to accuse the President of wanting to dismantle the Constitution.

The Obama administration has taken the lesson which the Clinton administration learned the hard way seriously and has, as a result, seen the health care reform effort advance further than any administration in nearly a century. When Obama signs America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 into law, he will have accomplished what more than a dozen administrations prior failed to accomplish.

You may or may not agree with the health care reform effort making it's way through Congress - I've got my fair share of issues with the measure myself - but the very fact that the measure is advancing shows that the administration has chosen a viable path to get health care reform passed.

He talked many times of his "plan" in his address to congress. Saying "reform should include some jacked up form of this......" isn't a plan. There are no specifics, and therefore no plan.

Past presidents HAVE taken a more active role in having an actual "plan" that manifests itself in a bill. You can call me stupid and ignorant all you want, but it really doesn't prove one thing or another. Just that its your best line of argument.

Yes, and none of them has gotten health care reform passed. Writing bills isn't the job of the executive but that of the legislative branch. Why do you hate the Constitution?

Why are you a dishonest left wing radical?

Healthcare reform bill is not the only bill thats ever been passed. Just a history lesson for you.

Again, past presidents have drafted plans, but Obama has not in this regard. Yet he often refers to his "plan" that is non-existent.

[Heracles 417]

Now Big Dog, you've seem what Walmart has done to lower healthcare costs for people and you even gave props to Publix ... now tell us what Obama is doing to lower peoples healthcare costs?

Now Danno, care to take a look at the other side of Wal Mart's low cost coin?

Ohio:

COLUMBUS — Attention shoppers: Ohio taxpayers are picking up the tab for the more than 15,000 Walmart associates who qualify for Medicaid.

...

In June 2009, the state spent about $28.5 million on Medicaid, $14 million on food stamps, and $10.9 million on welfare for employees of the 50 largest employers.

Alabama:

Wal-Mart No. 1 in employee Medicaid

State provides health insurance for workers of major companies

Washington:

The state of Washington joins a growing list reporting that Wal-Mart leads in healthcare subsidies. The study by the state Senate revealed that $12 million of tax payer money is being used to subsidize Wal-Mart, who has 3,180 employees receiving Medicaid benefits and 456 employees on the state's Basic Health Plan.

...just to name a few.

Publix, on the other hand, continues to make the 100 Best Companies to Work For list. So, let's give props where props are due.

As for the Obama administration: Obama is set to succeed where administration after administration has failed for the last several decades in beginning to tackle our broken health care system. Is he going to get all he wanted? No. We all know that all that's being addressed at this point is the health insurance aspect of the system. Is that going to be enough to put the system on sound footing for decades to come? I don't think so. Big Pharma needs to be tackled to bring prescription drug prices into the same range where they are in comparable countries. Fee-For-Service ought to be replaced by a results oriented remuneration scheme. And yes, Medical Malpractice Reform is needed in a way that protects patients and doctors. There are other areas, of course, but I think these three would make an impact on the cost of care. That said, what we have here is a much needed course correction that will finally put us on a path to near universal coverage.

I cannot believe these guys are trying to use Walmart of all companies to demonstrate them as an example of taking care of their employees.

Common sense would say that there are many many other companies that have employee subsidies as well. Just because Walmart is on top and successful is your main beef.

Again, I try to only spend my money at businesses who practice fair trade, who use fair labor practices, and who support cruelty-free products. There isn't much I can do to change much of the awful conditions which exist in the world, but I can spend my money with companies who try. WalMart definitely doesn't fall on that list.

Call me a snob. I call myself wise for spending my money in keeping with my morals.

Bingo!!!

I also switched my Sam's membership to Costco. The staff alone make we want to shop there. It's great to see employees that are paid a fair wage and are treated well.

The sad irony is that the people who support Walmart the most, are the exact same people and communities Walmart and co has screwed over the most.

Edited November 12, 2009 by Booyah!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What plan does Obama have? As far as I can tell, he has absolutely no health care plan. All aspects of the bill(s) in congress did not originate with him, they originated in congress. So, its laughable when he talks about "my plan".

Clearly, Joe, you're not an executive and have apparently no idea how an executive operates. The President has provided the guiding principles of what the measure should include. You can easily find these principles on the White House's web site.

The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:

• Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
• Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
• Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
• Invest in prevention and wellness
• Improve patient safety and quality of care
• Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
• Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
• End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

The President doesn't write legislation - that's the job of the Congress. To fault the President for leaving the legislative work to the very body to which this task is assigned by the Constitution is pretty ridiculous. Certainly when it comes from the camp that likes to accuse the President of wanting to dismantle the Constitution.

The Obama administration has taken the lesson which the Clinton administration learned the hard way seriously and has, as a result, seen the health care reform effort advance further than any administration in nearly a century. When Obama signs America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 into law, he will have accomplished what more than a dozen administrations prior failed to accomplish.

You may or may not agree with the health care reform effort making it's way through Congress - I've got my fair share of issues with the measure myself - but the very fact that the measure is advancing shows that the administration has chosen a viable path to get health care reform passed.

He talked many times of his "plan" in his address to congress. Saying "reform should include some jacked up form of this......" isn't a plan. There are no specifics, and therefore no plan.

Past presidents HAVE taken a more active role in having an actual "plan" that manifests itself in a bill. You can call me stupid and ignorant all you want, but it really doesn't prove one thing or another. Just that its your best line of argument.

Yes, and none of them has gotten health care reform passed. Writing bills isn't the job of the executive but that of the legislative branch. Why do you hate the Constitution?

Why are you a dishonest left wing radical?

Healthcare reform bill is not the only bill thats ever been passed. Just a history lesson for you.

Again, past presidents have drafted plans, but Obama has not in this regard. Yet he often refers to his "plan" that is non-existent.

Health care reform is one of those bills that has always failed to be passed. It has not proven fruitful for the executive to present legislation to the Congress for passage. Rather than taking the approach of the insane - doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome - this administration has chosen to pursue a different path: Establish a set of goals and guiding principles which the legislation drafted and passed by Congress should meet and follow and then let Congress carry out it's role in the process - which happens to be legislating.

Just because previous administrations have taken a different approach on this and other efforts doesn't change the fact that this is indeed the proper path for legislation to be written and passed. And thus far it seems to be a more successful approach particularly on this issue than any other in nearly a century.

Edited November 12, 2009 by Mr. Big Dog

[Peikko 1,575]

What is it about maintaining a healthy population that falls into free market economics? The free market operates on the basis that those with the ability to pay can access the good. Illness however is not a respecter of economic status. The current insurance system would be absolutely fine if illness respected economic status, if poor people only ever got cheap to treat illness, while those pesky expensive illnesses were the preserve of the rich. Wal-Mart is doing nothing to bring an improvement in health care, all it is doing is driving down the price of the cheap to treat illnesses probably at the expense of research, or something else equally necessary to continue to improve the general health of the population.

[Danno 1,228]

Now Big Dog, you've seem what Walmart has done to lower healthcare costs for people and you even gave props to Publix ... now tell us what Obama is doing to lower peoples healthcare costs?

Now Danno, care to take a look at the other side of Wal Mart's low cost coin?

Ohio:

COLUMBUS — Attention shoppers: Ohio taxpayers are picking up the tab for the more than 15,000 Walmart associates who qualify for Medicaid.

...

In June 2009, the state spent about $28.5 million on Medicaid, $14 million on food stamps, and $10.9 million on welfare for employees of the 50 largest employers.

Alabama:

Wal-Mart No. 1 in employee Medicaid

State provides health insurance for workers of major companies

Washington:

The state of Washington joins a growing list reporting that Wal-Mart leads in healthcare subsidies. The study by the state Senate revealed that $12 million of tax payer money is being used to subsidize Wal-Mart, who has 3,180 employees receiving Medicaid benefits and 456 employees on the state's Basic Health Plan.

...just to name a few.

My friend have you seen the people working at walmart? If it were not for walmart giving them a job the tax payer would be paying for a lot more than the Healthcare give-away you libs insist on handing out..... they might be collecting food stamps, AFDC section 8 and the list goes on....

Again, walmart is not doing everything but they are doing alot.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Now Big Dog, you've seem what Walmart has done to lower healthcare costs for people and you even gave props to Publix ... now tell us what Obama is doing to lower peoples healthcare costs?

Now Danno, care to take a look at the other side of Wal Mart's low cost coin?

Ohio:

COLUMBUS — Attention shoppers: Ohio taxpayers are picking up the tab for the more than 15,000 Walmart associates who qualify for Medicaid.

...

In June 2009, the state spent about $28.5 million on Medicaid, $14 million on food stamps, and $10.9 million on welfare for employees of the 50 largest employers.

Alabama:

Wal-Mart No. 1 in employee Medicaid

State provides health insurance for workers of major companies

Washington:

The state of Washington joins a growing list reporting that Wal-Mart leads in healthcare subsidies. The study by the state Senate revealed that $12 million of tax payer money is being used to subsidize Wal-Mart, who has 3,180 employees receiving Medicaid benefits and 456 employees on the state's Basic Health Plan.

...just to name a few.

My friend have you seen the people working at walmart? If it were not for walmart giving them a job the tax payer would be paying for a lot more than the Healthcare give-away you libs insist on handing out..... they might be collecting food stamps, AFDC section 8 and the list goes on....

Again, walmart is not doing everything but they are doing alot.

Are you nuts? Are you suggesting that Wal Mart only employs people that are otherwise unemployable? What a load of stinkin' #######. The fact of the matter is that most of the folks that work at Wal Mart have previously worked elsewhere and that most of them go on to work elsewhere. Wal Mart isn't exactly a firm that values employee retention - they have close to 50% annual staff turnover.

[Peikko 1,575]

Now Big Dog, you've seem what Walmart has done to lower healthcare costs for people and you even gave props to Publix ... now tell us what Obama is doing to lower peoples healthcare costs?

Now Danno, care to take a look at the other side of Wal Mart's low cost coin?

Ohio:

COLUMBUS — Attention shoppers: Ohio taxpayers are picking up the tab for the more than 15,000 Walmart associates who qualify for Medicaid.

...

In June 2009, the state spent about $28.5 million on Medicaid, $14 million on food stamps, and $10.9 million on welfare for employees of the 50 largest employers.

Alabama:

Wal-Mart No. 1 in employee Medicaid

State provides health insurance for workers of major companies

Washington:

The state of Washington joins a growing list reporting that Wal-Mart leads in healthcare subsidies. The study by the state Senate revealed that $12 million of tax payer money is being used to subsidize Wal-Mart, who has 3,180 employees receiving Medicaid benefits and 456 employees on the state's Basic Health Plan.

...just to name a few.

My friend have you seen the people working at walmart? If it were not for walmart giving them a job the tax payer would be paying for a lot more than the Healthcare give-away you libs insist on handing out..... they might be collecting food stamps, AFDC section 8 and the list goes on....

Again, walmart is not doing everything but they are doing alot.

Are you nuts? Are you suggesting that Wal Mart only employs people that are otherwise unemployable? What a load of stinkin' #######. The fact of the matter is that most of the folks that work at Wal Mart have previously worked elsewhere and that most of them go on to work elsewhere. Wal Mart isn't exactly a firm that values employee retention - they have close to 50% annual staff turnover.

Did Danno really write the bolded in all seriousness? Unbelievable...well, not really

[Joseph & Ana 0]

What plan does Obama have? As far as I can tell, he has absolutely no health care plan. All aspects of the bill(s) in congress did not originate with him, they originated in congress. So, its laughable when he talks about "my plan".

Clearly, Joe, you're not an executive and have apparently no idea how an executive operates. The President has provided the guiding principles of what the measure should include. You can easily find these principles on the White House's web site.

The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:

• Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
• Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
• Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
• Invest in prevention and wellness
• Improve patient safety and quality of care
• Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
• Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
• End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

The President doesn't write legislation - that's the job of the Congress. To fault the President for leaving the legislative work to the very body to which this task is assigned by the Constitution is pretty ridiculous. Certainly when it comes from the camp that likes to accuse the President of wanting to dismantle the Constitution.

The Obama administration has taken the lesson which the Clinton administration learned the hard way seriously and has, as a result, seen the health care reform effort advance further than any administration in nearly a century. When Obama signs America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 into law, he will have accomplished what more than a dozen administrations prior failed to accomplish.

You may or may not agree with the health care reform effort making it's way through Congress - I've got my fair share of issues with the measure myself - but the very fact that the measure is advancing shows that the administration has chosen a viable path to get health care reform passed.

He talked many times of his "plan" in his address to congress. Saying "reform should include some jacked up form of this......" isn't a plan. There are no specifics, and therefore no plan.

Past presidents HAVE taken a more active role in having an actual "plan" that manifests itself in a bill. You can call me stupid and ignorant all you want, but it really doesn't prove one thing or another. Just that its your best line of argument.

Yes, and none of them has gotten health care reform passed. Writing bills isn't the job of the executive but that of the legislative branch. Why do you hate the Constitution?

Why are you a dishonest left wing radical?

Healthcare reform bill is not the only bill thats ever been passed. Just a history lesson for you.

Again, past presidents have drafted plans, but Obama has not in this regard. Yet he often refers to his "plan" that is non-existent.

Health care reform is one of those bills that has always failed to be passed. It has not proven fruitful for the executive to present legislation to the Congress for passage. Rather than taking the approach of the insane - doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome - this administration has chosen to pursue a different path: Establish a set of goals and guiding principles which the legislation drafted and passed by Congress should meet and follow and then let Congress carry out it's role in the process - which happens to be legislating.

Just because previous administrations have taken a different approach on this and other efforts doesn't change the fact that this is indeed the proper path for legislation to be written and passed. And thus far it seems to be a more successful approach particularly on this issue than any other in nearly a century.

So you admit that Obama lied when he said he "has a plan"?

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Did Danno really write the bolded in all seriousness? Unbelievable...well, not really

How would you know MC and BIG DOG? You don't shop there EVER!

I shop there because i am a cheap SOB (when it comes to myself, not family). If i had 50 billion dollars, i'd still shop there.

I don't have Walmart Derangement Syndrome so Walmart doesn't bother me.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What plan does Obama have? As far as I can tell, he has absolutely no health care plan. All aspects of the bill(s) in congress did not originate with him, they originated in congress. So, its laughable when he talks about "my plan".

Clearly, Joe, you're not an executive and have apparently no idea how an executive operates. The President has provided the guiding principles of what the measure should include. You can easily find these principles on the White House's web site.

The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:

• Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
• Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
• Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
• Invest in prevention and wellness
• Improve patient safety and quality of care
• Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
• Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
• End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

The President doesn't write legislation - that's the job of the Congress. To fault the President for leaving the legislative work to the very body to which this task is assigned by the Constitution is pretty ridiculous. Certainly when it comes from the camp that likes to accuse the President of wanting to dismantle the Constitution.

The Obama administration has taken the lesson which the Clinton administration learned the hard way seriously and has, as a result, seen the health care reform effort advance further than any administration in nearly a century. When Obama signs America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 into law, he will have accomplished what more than a dozen administrations prior failed to accomplish.

You may or may not agree with the health care reform effort making it's way through Congress - I've got my fair share of issues with the measure myself - but the very fact that the measure is advancing shows that the administration has chosen a viable path to get health care reform passed.

He talked many times of his "plan" in his address to congress. Saying "reform should include some jacked up form of this......" isn't a plan. There are no specifics, and therefore no plan.

Past presidents HAVE taken a more active role in having an actual "plan" that manifests itself in a bill. You can call me stupid and ignorant all you want, but it really doesn't prove one thing or another. Just that its your best line of argument.

Yes, and none of them has gotten health care reform passed. Writing bills isn't the job of the executive but that of the legislative branch. Why do you hate the Constitution?

Why are you a dishonest left wing radical?

Healthcare reform bill is not the only bill thats ever been passed. Just a history lesson for you.

Again, past presidents have drafted plans, but Obama has not in this regard. Yet he often refers to his "plan" that is non-existent.

Health care reform is one of those bills that has always failed to be passed. It has not proven fruitful for the executive to present legislation to the Congress for passage. Rather than taking the approach of the insane - doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome - this administration has chosen to pursue a different path: Establish a set of goals and guiding principles which the legislation drafted and passed by Congress should meet and follow and then let Congress carry out it's role in the process - which happens to be legislating.

Just because previous administrations have taken a different approach on this and other efforts doesn't change the fact that this is indeed the proper path for legislation to be written and passed. And thus far it seems to be a more successful approach particularly on this issue than any other in nearly a century.

So you admit that Obama lied when he said he "has a plan"?

Why is reading comprehension such a challenge for you, Joe?

[Joseph & Ana 0]

What plan does Obama have? As far as I can tell, he has absolutely no health care plan. All aspects of the bill(s) in congress did not originate with him, they originated in congress. So, its laughable when he talks about "my plan".

Clearly, Joe, you're not an executive and have apparently no idea how an executive operates. The President has provided the guiding principles of what the measure should include. You can easily find these principles on the White House's web site.

The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:

• Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
• Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
• Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
• Invest in prevention and wellness
• Improve patient safety and quality of care
• Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
• Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
• End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions

The President doesn't write legislation - that's the job of the Congress. To fault the President for leaving the legislative work to the very body to which this task is assigned by the Constitution is pretty ridiculous. Certainly when it comes from the camp that likes to accuse the President of wanting to dismantle the Constitution.

The Obama administration has taken the lesson which the Clinton administration learned the hard way seriously and has, as a result, seen the health care reform effort advance further than any administration in nearly a century. When Obama signs America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 into law, he will have accomplished what more than a dozen administrations prior failed to accomplish.

You may or may not agree with the health care reform effort making it's way through Congress - I've got my fair share of issues with the measure myself - but the very fact that the measure is advancing shows that the administration has chosen a viable path to get health care reform passed.

He talked many times of his "plan" in his address to congress. Saying "reform should include some jacked up form of this......" isn't a plan. There are no specifics, and therefore no plan.

Past presidents HAVE taken a more active role in having an actual "plan" that manifests itself in a bill. You can call me stupid and ignorant all you want, but it really doesn't prove one thing or another. Just that its your best line of argument.

Yes, and none of them has gotten health care reform passed. Writing bills isn't the job of the executive but that of the legislative branch. Why do you hate the Constitution?

Why are you a dishonest left wing radical?

Healthcare reform bill is not the only bill thats ever been passed. Just a history lesson for you.

Again, past presidents have drafted plans, but Obama has not in this regard. Yet he often refers to his "plan" that is non-existent.

Health care reform is one of those bills that has always failed to be passed. It has not proven fruitful for the executive to present legislation to the Congress for passage. Rather than taking the approach of the insane - doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome - this administration has chosen to pursue a different path: Establish a set of goals and guiding principles which the legislation drafted and passed by Congress should meet and follow and then let Congress carry out it's role in the process - which happens to be legislating.

Just because previous administrations have taken a different approach on this and other efforts doesn't change the fact that this is indeed the proper path for legislation to be written and passed. And thus far it seems to be a more successful approach particularly on this issue than any other in nearly a century.

So you admit that Obama lied when he said he "has a plan"?

Why is reading comprehension such a challenge for you, Joe?

Why is honesty such a problem for you?