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Senate Democrats have begun discussions on a compromise approach to health care reform that would establish a robust, national public option for insurance coverage but give individual states the right to opt out of the program.

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The "opt-out" approach would start with everyone having access to a public plan. What kind of public plan isn't yet clear. States would then have the right to vote -- either by referendum, legislature, or simply a gubernatorial decree -- to make the option unavailable in their health care exchanges.

For conservative Democrats -- especially those from states with major private health insurance industry interests -- this concession could be key, allowing them to punt a vote on a public plan to local governments. For progressives, it would not be the hardest pill to swallow.

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So, we will leave it up to the states to deprive the folks residing there of choice and competition? What a fcuked up world we live in. Still, it is better than not having a public option at all. If this public option does in health care what it has done in homeowners insurance here in Florida (lower insurance premiums), state governors and legislators barring people from purchasing the public option and artificially keeping the cost of private health insurance plans inflated in their states will soon find themselves out of a job.

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So, we will leave it up to the states to deprive the folks residing there of choice and competition? What a fcuked up world we live in.

Yeah, if you want the public option you better vote Progressive.

ps. Not just Democratic, but Progressive. Not all D's are true Progressives.

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So, we will leave it up to the states to deprive the folks residing there of choice and competition? What a fcuked up world we live in.

Yeah, if you want the public option you better vote Progressive.

ps. Not just Democratic, but Progressive. Not all D's are true Progressives.

Well, there are lots of states where my progressive vote makes little difference - FL being one of them.

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So, we will leave it up to the states to deprive the folks residing there of choice and competition? What a fcuked up world we live in.

Yeah, if you want the public option you better vote Progressive.

ps. Not just Democratic, but Progressive. Not all D's are true Progressives.

Well, there are lots of states where my progressive vote makes little difference - FL being one of them.

Move.

I get the distinct impression someone is going to have to be thrown under the bus to get the robust Medicare+5% PO. Let that someone be the red staters.

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So, we will leave it up to the states to deprive the folks residing there of choice and competition? What a fcuked up world we live in. Still, it is better than not having a public option at all. If this public option does in health care what it has done in homeowners insurance here in Florida (lower insurance premiums), state governors and legislators barring people from purchasing the public option and artificially keeping the cost of private health insurance plans inflated in their states will soon find themselves out of a job.

I think the cash strapped states will most likely opt in. I know California is eager for it.

Also, I imagine this could have an impact on each state's job market as people do consider health insurance when it comes to looking for work.

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So, we will leave it up to the states to deprive the folks residing there of choice and competition? What a fcuked up world we live in. Still, it is better than not having a public option at all. If this public option does in health care what it has done in homeowners insurance here in Florida (lower insurance premiums), state governors and legislators barring people from purchasing the public option and artificially keeping the cost of private health insurance plans inflated in their states will soon find themselves out of a job.

I think the cash strapped states will most likely opt in. I know California is eager for it.

Also, I imagine this could have an impact on each state's job market as people do consider health insurance when it comes to looking for work.

True. More importantly, businesses are going to prefer states that have more choice and competition - and with it lower prices - when making location decisions. That's why I can live with this opt-out idea: In the mid and long run, those states that opt out will lose jobs and population. Let the private health insurance industry slaves govern empty, jobless states.

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So, we will leave it up to the states to deprive the folks residing there of choice and competition? What a fcuked up world we live in.

Yeah, if you want the public option you better vote Progressive.

ps. Not just Democratic, but Progressive. Not all D's are true Progressives.

Well, there are lots of states where my progressive vote makes little difference - FL being one of them.

Move.

Not out of the question. Even though, opting out will be a hard case to make for the FL legislator seeing that they created a public option in the homeowners insurance market which has improved access to coverage and brought down premiums. An opt-out campaign in FL would be quite interesting to watch.

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Let the private health insurance industry slaves govern empty, jobless states.

I think it would take a lot to turn Texas into an empty and jobless state. Not gonna happen. What we'll more likely see is the emergence of two very different models of governance across this country. Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing. Time will tell.

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So, we will leave it up to the states to deprive the folks residing there of choice and competition? What a fcuked up world we live in. Still, it is better than not having a public option at all. If this public option does in health care what it has done in homeowners insurance here in Florida (lower insurance premiums), state governors and legislators barring people from purchasing the public option and artificially keeping the cost of private health insurance plans inflated in their states will soon find themselves out of a job.

I think the cash strapped states will most likely opt in. I know California is eager for it.

Also, I imagine this could have an impact on each state's job market as people do consider health insurance when it comes to looking for work.

True. More importantly, businesses are going to prefer states that have more choice and competition - and with it lower prices - when making location decisions. That's why I can live with this opt-out idea: In the mid and long run, those states that opt out will lose jobs and population. Let the private health insurance industry slaves govern empty, jobless states.

Exactly. :thumbs:

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Its an excellent idea.

Maybe, maybe not.. depends on the details (as always).

If people are paying for the Public option, yet the States opts out. There might be an uproar about it.

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Its an excellent idea.

Maybe, maybe not.. depends on the details (as always).

If people are paying for the Public option, yet the States opts out. There might be an uproar about it.

I'd hope the principles of Texans to avoid becoming dirty commies like their cousins up north would trump any materialistic instincts.

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Its an excellent idea.

Maybe, maybe not.. depends on the details (as always).

If people are paying for the Public option, yet the States opts out. There might be an uproar about it.

The donor states have traditionally been Blue States. Now isn't the time for some Red States to start having second thoughts on that concept.

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