Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Who is paying that other 45%?

[The_Dude 1,142]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Who is paying that other 45%?

Oh Oh I know, I know, I know, Pick me pick me, come on teacher, I know I know.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I was thinking it was the gnomes and pixies, but I'm sure that's not right.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Ok, thanks. I see what you're saying. Its just my opinion that making a 35% tax go to 50% isn't going to end poverty or give the wealth to the middle class. To me it seems like a "Lets screw the evil rich" which they may very well be evil, but thats emotions based.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Ok, thanks. I see what you're saying. Its just my opinion that making a 35% tax go to 50% isn't going to end poverty or give the wealth to the middle class. To me it seems like a "Lets screw the evil rich" which they may very well be evil, but thats emotions based.

You are right, It won't end poverty, but it will improve the living conditions for a tremendous amount of people while not decreasing that of those affected by the tax increase.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Who is paying that other 45%?

It isn't the lower class, or the middle class either. The top 50% pay 97%. That comes from the IRS. Ok fine.. Now just explain how making it 100% will eliminate the poor, and give more wealth to those below.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wanting fair, proportional taxation isn't an emotional judgement against rich people.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Ok lay it out here.. The fair proportional tax code:

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[Heracles 417]

Once again your posts are irrelevant.

The top 1% pays 39% of all income taxes (this is from the latest info from the IRS) It went up 2% while Bush was in office (via his tax cuts, which didn't actually cut the taxes of the wealthy, but increased them by 2%)

What they pay is irrelevant, it's what they earn that counts. If someone earns $15K yet pays 10% tax, that still has a huge impact on them. Whereas for someone earning $10 million, paying 35% is nothting. They also probably have 101 deductions to minimize their tax even further.

Sure the person paying $15K is paying less tax but how many people can live on $15K. The federal minimum wage in Aus is $23K USD, a wage that people can at least live on. Personally I pay more for rent than someone earns minimum wage in the US. But the unlivable minimum wage is another story.

You have nurses who have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. You have teachers who have to work second jobs and live in other counties because they cannot make ends meet. Yet you don't want the rich to pay more tax. Obviously some athlete earning $20 million or Ryan Seacrest earning $30 miilion, they work hard for their money. While the nurse and teacher are just slackers right? So apart from not paying them a fair wage we should also tax them hard while keeping the tax of the wealthy low. After all, a $5 million dollar yacht costs money to maintain right.

Income tax needs to be increased across the board, especially at the higher end. Anything over the $500K mark should be 55%. Then we need a federal GST tax of about 5%. Basically a sales tax on everything. This will eliminate a huge tax loophole. You could even take the luxury tax and tax anything of high value a 10% sales tax (private jets, expensive cars, yachts etc). It's the only way to get out of the huge deficit. Another $1 per gallon road tax to pay for the nations crumbling roads. It will also make public transport more viable again, as it is in most other countries.

Edited September 23, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Who is paying that other 45%?

It isn't the lower class, or the middle class either. The top 50% pay 97%. That comes from the IRS. Ok fine.. Now just explain how making it 100% will eliminate the poor, and give more wealth to those below.

Why?

I don't think the income tax system is the cure for poverty. As usual its rather more complicated than that.

[HAL 9000 96]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Ok, thanks. I see what you're saying. Its just my opinion that making a 35% tax go to 50% isn't going to end poverty or give the wealth to the middle class. To me it seems like a "Lets screw the evil rich" which they may very well be evil, but thats emotions based.

And its a valid opinion. I wish we could argue about administering the 'current' level of taxation but if we're not willing to look at the context- aka, the actual income levels that effectively go untaxed, or the aggregation of said wealth in the hands of al oligarchical system of finances, then its not much of a point to argue about how 'unfair' it would be to the very rich and how rich they stay at either level of taxation.

As for ending this or that economical disadvantage... if you don't have an appropriate strategy in place to administer such income tax influx, then yes- it wouldn't get resolved.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Who is paying that other 45%?

It isn't the lower class, or the middle class either. The top 50% pay 97%. That comes from the IRS. Ok fine.. Now just explain how making it 100% will eliminate the poor, and give more wealth to those below.

Why?

I don't think the income tax system is the cure for poverty. As usual its rather more complicated than that.

Its always too complicated for you guys to explain. I get it.

[HAL 9000 96]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Who is paying that other 45%?

It isn't the lower class, or the middle class either. The top 50% pay 97%. That comes from the IRS. Ok fine.. Now just explain how making it 100% will eliminate the poor, and give more wealth to those below.

Because you're not paying attention to the actual dollar for dollar influx of income tax that would originate in such a non-detrimental increase on the very rich, and as I stated, the actual administration of said funds.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Who is paying that other 45%?

It isn't the lower class, or the middle class either. The top 50% pay 97%. That comes from the IRS. Ok fine.. Now just explain how making it 100% will eliminate the poor, and give more wealth to those below.

Why?

I don't think the income tax system is the cure for poverty. As usual its rather more complicated than that.

Its always too complicated for you guys to explain. I get it.

No you don't Joe, that's really the pity. Thick meatheads unsurprisingly have thick, meathead ideas.

You'd a cruise missile to get anything through your skull.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Oh man you guys got me in the insults department. I think i'll go cry my eyes out now.

I can't write off someone as irrelevant? I believe I just did. The insults are what is irrelevant. No skin off my back, just irrelevant. HAL rarely makes an intelligent post. Its always, here I'm smarter you're dumb, go do your homework. As i said, irrelevant.

That must be a prerequisite when applying for the Libbies for Obama club (i mean commies for Christ).

One truck write off isn't going to break the IRS. Though it should be done honestly you're right.

So we've gone from taxing the rich and big corporations, now to changing the topic to small business owners and what crooks they are. You guys sure jump all over the place. And yet you still work for the guy..

You don't get what I'm talking about from the example?

I do get what you're talking about, I'm just saying we're jumping around. I'd be happy to talk about it and hear your points of view without the insults. Yes we've all done it, but there seems to be a disproportionate amount coming from you two. Cue Hal's next regurgitated whine comment. It doesn't bother me, just makes me less apt to see your point of view. And since you wouldn't see mine anyway (and you'll blame it on me calling you a liberal) i'm not sure why i try, but here i am.

Joseph -

You have to look at the percentage of the taxpayers income that is being taxed - not the percentage (or taxation rate) that is being paid. This is where the smoke is when you read most arguments crying about the wealthy paying 'exorbitant' percentages.

It's pretty simple when you think about it really. It is estimated at present that 95% percent of the wealth in this country is held by 5% of the population. You said earlier that these persons pay - what - 50% of the tax taken in?

If those numbers are correct, it clearly indicates that taxation is not proportional.

Who is paying that other 45%?

It isn't the lower class, or the middle class either. The top 50% pay 97%. That comes from the IRS. Ok fine.. Now just explain how making it 100% will eliminate the poor, and give more wealth to those below.

Because you're not paying attention to the actual dollar for dollar influx of income tax that would originate in such a non-detrimental increase on the very rich, and as I stated, the actual administration of said funds.

Ok. I'll compromise. We tax the @#^&$& out of the rich, but lets forget socialized medicine.