Another idiot with a gun

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As I said to Charles, maybe he can show me how a person can kill 32 people within a few minutes, using bricks.

I can kill far more with a car. I just have to find a tightly packed crowd and run em all down at 80 miles per hour

Its not really practical though is it...

[tmma 467]

As I said to Charles, maybe he can show me how a person can kill 32 people within a few minutes, using bricks.

Depends what the bricks are made of....A couple of bricks of semtex should do it....but I figure you are talking about housing bricks.

[Heracles 417]

Why? Did you shoot yourself in the foot?

Well I purchased them because I could. I never said I did not like guns but I did say it is ridiculous to let anyone and everyone own them. Hey I like Ballistic missiles too, so should I own one of them too. If they were available, I probably would buy one. For good reasons they are not.

I would gladly hand them back if there was gun control.

[thepizzadude 26]

And I am from another developed country, so naturally I have gone through all of the proper background checks anyway. What about the illegal aliens or those from 2nd or 3rd world countries where you can pretty much buy a clean record? That is what I am concerned about.

Private sales should have to go through the appropriate background checks as do retail sales.

Personally I would never do a private sale for a weapon. Never. In a pvt sale-- It's not like you can run a gunfax on it's background and it's not like they can do a nutchex on you.

Some states allow concealed carry for an LPR provided they have the training class & the concealed carry class, fingerprints and background check. It's suprising what information can be found out during the background check---especially for those of us that have been in the military, immigrated here or had anything to do with any Govt agency.

If your worried about selling your firearms to some moron, take them to a FFL and run a NICS. Also make a receipt for the sale with both of the parties signing it. Then your covered.

This is basically all that is needed in Indiana, a trail of ownership, which who knows is true or not but as long as you have you are covered.

[Heracles 417]

Well I bought a gun and was not even a citizen. And you guys know how much of a crazy ###### I am :lol:

There are just to many loopholes here.

Agreed and agreed

I knew you would like that one.

[tmma 467]

And I am from another developed country, so naturally I have gone through all of the proper background checks anyway. What about the illegal aliens or those from 2nd or 3rd world countries where you can pretty much buy a clean record? That is what I am concerned about.

Private sales should have to go through the appropriate background checks as do retail sales.

Personally I would never do a private sale for a weapon. Never. In a pvt sale-- It's not like you can run a gunfax on it's background and it's not like they can do a nutchex on you.

Some states allow concealed carry for an LPR provided they have the training class & the concealed carry class, fingerprints and background check. It's suprising what information can be found out during the background check---especially for those of us that have been in the military, immigrated here or had anything to do with any Govt agency.

If your worried about selling your firearms to some moron, take them to a FFL and run a NICS. Also make a receipt for the sale with both of the parties signing it. Then your covered.

This is basically all that is needed in Indiana, a trail of ownership, which who knows is true or not but as long as you have you are covered.

ah-ok. Still gives me the heeby jeebies thinking about that.

[Heracles 417]

As I said to Charles, maybe he can show me how a person can kill 32 people within a few minutes, using bricks.

Depends what the bricks are made of....A couple of bricks of semtex should do it....but I figure you are talking about housing bricks.

Ah ha. because obviously the sole purpose of a brick is to kill, rather than build. Unlike a gun which can be used for?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why? Did you shoot yourself in the foot?

Well I purchased them because I could. I never said I did not like guns but I did say it is ridiculous to let anyone and everyone own them. Hey I like Ballistic missiles too, so should I own one of them too. If they were available, I probably would buy one. For good reasons they are not.

I would gladly hand them back if there was gun control.

That doesn't make sense - you're saying that the only reason you'd buy something like that is because you can. What kind of reasoning is that? If you're going to take a stand on principle that owning a gun is a bad idea, surely you would exercise the personal choice to not buy one.

[thepizzadude 26]

As I said to Charles, maybe he can show me how a person can kill 32 people within a few minutes, using bricks.

Depends what the bricks are made of....A couple of bricks of semtex should do it....but I figure you are talking about housing bricks.

Ah ha. because obviously the sole purpose of a brick is to kill, rather than build. Unlike a gun which can be used for?

Bookends, paperweights, flyswatter etc....

[Peikko 1,575]

As I said to Charles, maybe he can show me how a person can kill 32 people within a few minutes, using bricks.

I can kill far more with a car. I just have to find a tightly packed crowd and run em all down at 80 miles per hour

Its not really practical though is it...

Back to the OP, it's not what people do in the cases that were, originally, under discussion before this topic went off wildly into areas of speculation and what nots

I don't believe it either. 80 with a car is just not realistic, not even if they were to all lie down and agree to be driven over.

Edited September 10, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Peikko 1,575]

The point about guns is they are designed to kill and to kill from a measured distance from the target so that the shooter can remain safe and sound. They are great weapons, that's why all armed forces use them, rather than plastic bags, sedans or bricks.

[Heracles 417]

Why? Did you shoot yourself in the foot?

Well I purchased them because I could. I never said I did not like guns but I did say it is ridiculous to let anyone and everyone own them. Hey I like Ballistic missiles too, so should I own one of them too. If they were available, I probably would buy one. For good reasons they are not.

I would gladly hand them back if there was gun control.

That doesn't make sense - you're saying that the only reason you'd buy something like that is because you can. What kind of reasoning is that? If you're going to take a stand on principle that owning a gun is a bad idea, surely you would exercise the personal choice to not buy one.

Purchased a gun soon after moving here. Over the years I have realized how ridiculous the homicide rate is here and how easy it is to buy a gun. So yes my stance has changed. Not that hard to understand.

You must have me confused for one of 'the group'; where no matter what the evidence or how ironclad it is, you guys never rethink your opinion on a topic. I could be for something today and then alter my stance in the wake of new evidence or reasoning; but that's just me.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As I said to Charles, maybe he can show me how a person can kill 32 people within a few minutes, using bricks.

I can kill far more with a car. I just have to find a tightly packed crowd and run em all down at 80 miles per hour

Its not really practical though is it...

Back to the OP, it's not what people do in the cases that were, originally, under discussion before this topic went off wildly into areas of speculation and what nots

I don't believe it either. 80 with a car is just not realistic, not even if they were to all lie down and agree to be driven over.

Well - I think we've yet to see a murder/suicide where the person wiped out their entire family by driving at them in a car

[Peikko 1,575]

All this pretending about them is specious. At least have the guts to say what they are and treat them with respect.

As I said to Charles, maybe he can show me how a person can kill 32 people within a few minutes, using bricks.

I can kill far more with a car. I just have to find a tightly packed crowd and run em all down at 80 miles per hour

Its not really practical though is it...

Back to the OP, it's not what people do in the cases that were, originally, under discussion before this topic went off wildly into areas of speculation and what nots

I don't believe it either. 80 with a car is just not realistic, not even if they were to all lie down and agree to be driven over.

Well - I think we've yet to see a murder/suicide where the person wiped out their entire family by driving at them in a car

You don't get many deliberate attempts at murder with a car. The only time it happens is when someone happens to be in a car when they are having a roaring argument and even then it's not common nor is it overwhelmingly successful. Murder with guns is however.

[Heracles 417]

The point about guns is they are designed to kill and to kill from a measured distance from the target so that the shooter can remain safe and sound. They are great weapons, that's why all armed forces use them, rather than plastic bags, sedans or bricks.

A gun can kill hundreds of people within an hour. No one is going to get a car and repeatedly run over hundreds of people. Let alone kill hundreds of people with a brick.

That line of reasoning from some is just so third worldish. A gun has one purpose and one purpose alone, to kill. It can do so in a short amount of time and most people, include a navy seal like Charles, have little to do to stop a bullet heading towards them. Hence why they are controlled in every other developed country. Excluding the third world of course, which some clearly have no issue being classed with.

The other thing people do not account for is that they think they have a chance to defend themselves if they are armed. Okay fine. So what if a group of people holding guns approaches a person or breaks into a house. Or is this John Wayne gun owner Singlehandedly going to take them all down?

Edited September 10, 2009 by Booyah!