Dr. Tom Coburn tells the wife of a brain-injury victim to suck it up.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

Paraphrasing merely shortens the content, it does not infer a different interpretation than is supported by the content. Hence the criticism.

That's your interpretation. I agree with the author of the article. He paraphrased Dr. Coburn's response appropriately.

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

No, it's called not telling the truth.

Are death panels telling the truth?

Currently, no. Probably not acceptable any time soon. Down the road, who can tell? If you are going to cut costs, then you have to spent less. Whether or not that ends up being a "death panel", we will see how far society is willing to go.

[Heracles 417]

No. I mean physically where on you on the planet not to realize that Americans inherently don't trust the people running their government.

That is the point. That line of reasoning is considered moronic in other countries. The left and right may disagree on how to tackle issues but I have never heard anyone think their government is basically the root of evil. After all, you vote in the government; hence the concept of a democracy. Maybe to you standoffs are productive, when actually, this attitude is why the country is bankrupt and ranks poorly in pretty much every international study. If anyone company operated in this manner, they would be bankrupt period.

The country just needs to split up. Repubs in one country, Dems in another. The differences in ideology are just too extreme to reconcile.

Edited August 29, 2009 by haza

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

Paraphrasing merely shortens the content, it does not infer a different interpretation than is supported by the content. Hence the criticism.

That's your interpretation. I agree with the author of the article. He paraphrased Dr. Coburn's response appropriately.

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

No, it's called not telling the truth.

Are death panels telling the truth?

Currently, no. Probably not acceptable any time soon. Down the road, who can tell? If you are going to cut costs, then you have to spent less. Whether or not that ends up being a "death panel", we will see how far society is willing to go.

What a slippery slope you're on there, Mr. Bill. The selective outrage by you Right Wingers when someone from your side is paraphrased while such paraphrasing has been widely done by opponents of health care reform is telling.

No one will find any reference to death panels in the bill, yet you seem unfazed or certainly not outraged by such paraphrasing. Tsk, tsk.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Or foreigners need to realize that this is a different country then where they came from and that to try to bring their Socialistic policies here will be resisted.

[Heracles 417]

Currently, no. Probably not acceptable any time soon. Down the road, who can tell? If you are going to cut costs, then you have to spent less. Whether or not that ends up being a "death panel", we will see how far society is willing to go.

Well currently, as in right now, we have insurance boards that are death panels. At least the people vote a government in or out. what say does the average Joe have towards an insurance panel? Zilch.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Or foreigners need to realize that this is a different country then where they came from and that to try to bring their Socialistic policies here will be resisted.

You'd benefit from an Early American history course at your local community college.

[Heracles 417]

Or foreigners need to realize that this is a different country then where they came from and that to try to bring their Socialistic policies here will be resisted.

Foreigners. Lol. I can buy and sell 100 Texans with a swipe of a card. So do not sit here and try to teach me about capitalism.

Edited August 29, 2009 by haza

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Currently, no. Probably not acceptable any time soon. Down the road, who can tell? If you are going to cut costs, then you have to spent less. Whether or not that ends up being a "death panel", we will see how far society is willing to go.

Well currently, as in right now, we have insurance boards that are death panels. At least the people vote a government in or out. what say does the average Joe have towards an insurance panel? Zilch.

The point is, there is no term in any health insurance manual - public or private, yet opponents of health care reform have no qualms about using such paraphrasing to scare Americans about the bill.

[Heracles 417]

The point is, there is no term in any health insurance manual - public or private, yet opponents of health care reform have no qualms about using such paraphrasing to scare Americans about the bill.

It's a bunch of bull #######. In reality as we speak someone in America is having their treatment for cancer etc denied for whatever reason buy an insurance board. That is reality, whereas their death panels are propaganda.

Edited August 29, 2009 by haza

[luckytxn 2,265]

Or foreigners need to realize that this is a different country then where they came from and that to try to bring their Socialistic policies here will be resisted.

Foreigners. Lol. I can buy and sell 100 Texans with a swipe of a card. So do not sit here and try to teach me about capitalism.

Yet you come on VJ to save the money for an attorney. Right.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

Paraphrasing merely shortens the content, it does not infer a different interpretation than is supported by the content. Hence the criticism.

That's your interpretation. I agree with the author of the article. He paraphrased Dr. Coburn's response appropriately.

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

No, it's called not telling the truth.

Are death panels telling the truth?

Currently, no. Probably not acceptable any time soon. Down the road, who can tell? If you are going to cut costs, then you have to spent less. Whether or not that ends up being a "death panel", we will see how far society is willing to go.

What a slippery slope you're on there, Mr. Bill. The selective outrage by you Right Wingers when someone from your side is paraphrased while such paraphrasing has been widely done by opponents of health care reform is telling.

No one will find any reference to death panels in the bill, yet you seem unfazed or certainly not outraged by such paraphrasing. Tsk, tsk.

You miss the point. I am making an observation, and looking at the cold realities of the current system. Where the Government, and hence the taxpayer, spend it's healthcare dollar, is nothing more than a ponzi scheme to benefit the elderly. That is the current situation.

If you are going to extend the current medicare system to cover everybody, and if you are going to cut costs, eventually you have to come to the conclusion that you are going to spend less money on old people. It's cold, hard logic, nothing more.

[Heracles 417]

Or foreigners need to realize that this is a different country then where they came from and that to try to bring their Socialistic policies here will be resisted.

Foreigners. Lol. I can buy and sell 100 Texans with a swipe of a card. So do not sit here and try to teach me about capitalism.

Yet you come on VJ to save the money for an attorney. Right.

No I just do not like lawyers.

[luckytxn 2,265]

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

Paraphrasing merely shortens the content, it does not infer a different interpretation than is supported by the content. Hence the criticism.

That's your interpretation. I agree with the author of the article. He paraphrased Dr. Coburn's response appropriately.

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

No, it's called not telling the truth.

Are death panels telling the truth?

Currently, no. Probably not acceptable any time soon. Down the road, who can tell? If you are going to cut costs, then you have to spent less. Whether or not that ends up being a "death panel", we will see how far society is willing to go.

What a slippery slope you're on there, Mr. Bill. The selective outrage by you Right Wingers when someone from your side is paraphrased while such paraphrasing has been widely done by opponents of health care reform is telling.

No one will find any reference to death panels in the bill, yet you seem unfazed or certainly not outraged by such paraphrasing. Tsk, tsk.

You miss the point. I am making an observation, and looking at the cold realities of the current system. Where the Government, and hence the taxpayer, spend it's healthcare dollar, is nothing more than a ponzi scheme to benefit the elderly. That is the current situation.

If you are going to extend the current medicare system to cover everybody, and if you are going to cut costs, eventually you have to come to the conclusion that you are going to spend less money on old people. It's cold, hard logic, nothing more.

Or to save money we will do like other countries with Socialized health care and become stagnant and build less hospitals, less people become health care providers, stifle innovation because no need to try. Which will result in long waits for sub standard health care and be denied for health care because they can say that a clogged artery is an elective surgery and so on and so on.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

Paraphrasing merely shortens the content, it does not infer a different interpretation than is supported by the content. Hence the criticism.

That's your interpretation. I agree with the author of the article. He paraphrased Dr. Coburn's response appropriately.

It's called paraphrasing....you know like calling end of life counseling, death panels.

No, it's called not telling the truth.

Are death panels telling the truth?

Currently, no. Probably not acceptable any time soon. Down the road, who can tell? If you are going to cut costs, then you have to spent less. Whether or not that ends up being a "death panel", we will see how far society is willing to go.

What a slippery slope you're on there, Mr. Bill. The selective outrage by you Right Wingers when someone from your side is paraphrased while such paraphrasing has been widely done by opponents of health care reform is telling.

No one will find any reference to death panels in the bill, yet you seem unfazed or certainly not outraged by such paraphrasing. Tsk, tsk.

You miss the point. I am making an observation, and looking at the cold realities of the current system. Where the Government, and hence the taxpayer, spend it's healthcare dollar, is nothing more than a ponzi scheme to benefit the elderly. That is the current situation.

If you are going to extend the current medicare system to cover everybody, and if you are going to cut costs, eventually you have to come to the conclusion that you are going to spend less money on old people. It's cold, hard logic, nothing more.

Right. What other conclusion can one make? God, you Right Wingers are blinded by your own rigid ideology.

[Heracles 417]

You miss the point. I am making an observation, and looking at the cold realities of the current system. Where the Government, and hence the taxpayer, spend it's healthcare dollar, is nothing more than a ponzi scheme to benefit the elderly. That is the current situation.

If you are going to extend the current medicare system to cover everybody, and if you are going to cut costs, eventually you have to come to the conclusion that you are going to spend less money on old people. It's cold, hard logic, nothing more.

How so? Instead of covering 50 million, the government will get a policy for 100 million. Known in the business world as economies of scale.

I have seen what elderly relatives here receive in comparison to AUS and can say for a fact, the service is better and cheaper over there. Aussies living a good three years longer than Americans is also a good indication of that.

Edited August 29, 2009 by haza