Dems Fear Town Hall Meetings

[Peikko 1,575]

I love how the Right Wingers become apologists for the thuggery by their extremists by trying to say it is justified because "Obama endorses such tactics." My God, the level of lunacy by the Right Wingers is astounding. They just can't calm down and let Obama be President. They will resort to anything ("all means necessary") to have him fail. Pathetic and sad...really.

Don't jump on the back of my point - you're as bad.

Its this constant process of dismissing and mischaracterising people - that we end up with this immature public theatre.

Has the US always been like this - that one side or other wins elections by a clear majority and spends the whole time in office steamrollering policies while the opposition try to defeat them by "any means necessary"?

Jesus Christ - how does anything actually get done!?

Careful, you'll be accused of being at 'that time of the month' if you are not careful

Or perhaps you'll get your very own 'non political partronising' thread?

Edited August 10, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Jesus Christ - how does anything actually get done!?

Corporate funding on Capitol Hill ensures that Corporate America's business gets done regardless of who is in power. There are slight variations off the center but at the end of the day, Corporate America wins whichever way the people vote. The political mud slinging is more for entertainment and preservation purposes than anything else. It keeps the masses occupied. It's like Wrestling - looks serious and all but really, nothing actually happens.

[Peikko 1,575]

Jesus Christ - how does anything actually get done!?

Corporate funding on Capitol Hill ensures that Corporate America's business gets done regardless of who is in power. There are slight variations off the center but at the end of the day, Corporate America wins whichever way the people vote. The political mud slinging is more for entertainment and preservation purposes than anything else. It keeps the masses occupied. It's like Wrestling - looks serious and all but really, nothing actually happens.

This is probably very close to the truth. Might as well save all the money thrown at elections and do it 'American Idol' style.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Jesus Christ - how does anything actually get done!?

Corporate funding on Capitol Hill ensures that Corporate America's business gets done regardless of who is in power. There are slight variations off the center but at the end of the day, Corporate America wins whichever way the people vote. The political mud slinging is more for entertainment and preservation purposes than anything else. It keeps the masses occupied. It's like Wrestling - looks serious and all but really, nothing actually happens.

That's why the big TV news networks are popular - certainly not about finding anything out (especially if it involves politics).

[natty bumppo 297]

The libs are just mad we learned from them. Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot.

Nobody needs to be apologizing for extremists behaving like thugs from either side of the political spectrum.

Tell that to Barry. He says to "get up in your neighbor's face and change their mind!" He promotes in your face confrontation, bringing a gun to a knife fight. You didn't get the memo, Stevie?

Keep stretching the truth as if it were taffy.

Not taffy regrettably. I've heard the sound clip. Right up there with dob in your neighbour if you see or hear anything 'fishy' And turning up to Town Halls to get your point across and get your questions now means you are Un American.

this one? at about the 37 second mark?

Not much of a statement condoning violent behavior in the Obama speech natty...

I'm sure obama wasn't asking people to be confrontational with these words ... "I want you to argue with them and get in their face”.

Promoting an "in their face" confrontation sure creates the fertile ground for escalation ...

[Peikko 1,575]

And on it goes with more nonsense pointless drivel. Boring.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In real terms - the whole "Change" campaign was BS from the getgo; and lacked any real substance (outside of some throwaway ####### about cutting special interests out of Washington - something that Obama clearly hasn't done, can't do, and has no intention of doing).

[natty bumppo 297]

And on it goes with more nonsense pointless drivel. Boring.

very ... especially when someone denies a excessively published and documented statement

[one...two...tree 2,762]

[GaryC 7]

You're hopelessly partisan, Gary.

Ironic considering your signature.

You're assuming my views based on a comic book image that's a parody of a certain 1930s pulp fiction character.

I'm judging you based on things you yourself have said. The constant ####### for tat is so childish.

Ah, so it has no political insinuations then. OK, got it.

That's not what I said, Gary. I'm not claiming to be apolitical - but to take a serious point from a cartoon and make sweeping inferences about what my posting it means is stretching the truth ever so much.

I'm saying *you* are partisan because your whole Raison d'être on these boards is to justify things that you yourself wouldn't accept in reversed circumstances for the sole reason that the other guy did it first.

Really? So political dissent is back to being un-American again? Nice to know. I wish I could keep these rules straight.

Erm... Excuse me? Are you reading a different thread than I am? Where is that implied in anything that I wrote?

And where does using the same tactics that the opposition has used for decades make me partisan?

Erm... how does it not, Gary.

Noone seems interested in having an actual dialog just engaging adversarial mudslinging - "the far left" this and "the far right that". As political systems go - this is utterly fvcked.

I used to think UK politics was bad, but this is ridiculous. Otherwise reasonable people turn into the fvcking Hulk not over specific issues of policy but of philosophy.

Middle ground? What's that!?

I object to the label of "partisan". I am not partisan at all. At one time, yep I sure was, hardcore. Not any more and haven't been since the RINO's and dems fell all over themselves to go to Washington to out stimulus each other. Screw them all. I didn't vote for a single rep in the last election and I have railed against reps as well as dems since then. Health care isn't a partisan issue with me. I don't advocate a "rep" position, only my own. I don't want any part of the government taking over health care. If that means borrowing the tactics of the left and using it against those that want a government take over then fine. But I don't see how this earns me the label of "partisan".

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You're hopelessly partisan, Gary.

Ironic considering your signature.

You're assuming my views based on a comic book image that's a parody of a certain 1930s pulp fiction character.

I'm judging you based on things you yourself have said. The constant ####### for tat is so childish.

Ah, so it has no political insinuations then. OK, got it.

That's not what I said, Gary. I'm not claiming to be apolitical - but to take a serious point from a cartoon and make sweeping inferences about what my posting it means is stretching the truth ever so much.

I'm saying *you* are partisan because your whole Raison d'être on these boards is to justify things that you yourself wouldn't accept in reversed circumstances for the sole reason that the other guy did it first.

Really? So political dissent is back to being un-American again? Nice to know. I wish I could keep these rules straight.

Erm... Excuse me? Are you reading a different thread than I am? Where is that implied in anything that I wrote?

And where does using the same tactics that the opposition has used for decades make me partisan?

Erm... how does it not, Gary.

Noone seems interested in having an actual dialog just engaging adversarial mudslinging - "the far left" this and "the far right that". As political systems go - this is utterly fvcked.

I used to think UK politics was bad, but this is ridiculous. Otherwise reasonable people turn into the fvcking Hulk not over specific issues of policy but of philosophy.

Middle ground? What's that!?

I object to the label of "partisan". I am not partisan at all. At one time, yep I sure was, hardcore. Not any more and haven't been since the RINO's and dems fell all over themselves to go to Washington to out stimulus each other. Screw them all. I didn't vote for a single rep in the last election and I have railed against reps as well as dems since then. Health care isn't a partisan issue with me. I don't advocate a "rep" position, only my own. I don't want any part of the government taking over health care. If that means borrowing the tactics of the left and using it against those that want a government take over then fine. But I don't see how this earns me the label of "partisan".

Gary, you just asked why it was OK to use "the same tactics as the opposition". If that isn't the definition of partisanry I don't know what is...

The other day you said it was fine to squelch healthcare reform by "any means necessary" in order to stop "the left" - presumably including blatant misinformation (like the claims about euthanasia) and by picketing and otherwise disrupting Democratic townhall meetings.

[GaryC 7]

Gary, you just asked why it was OK to use "the same tactics as the opposition". If that isn't the definition of partisanry I don't know what is...

The other day you said it was fine to squelch healthcare reform by "any means necessary" in order to stop "the left" - presumably including blatant misinformation (like the claims about euthanasia) and by picketing and otherwise disrupting Democratic townhall meetings.

Unless I am mistaken the colloquial use of partisan in the political arena is someone that is strongly identified with a particular political party. I no longer am. As for tactics to defeat the health care bill, I don't care how it is done, just so it does not pass. That isn't partisanship, that is activism. Call me an activist if you like.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No Gary, its not restricted merely to political parties - the term "Partisan" refers to someone who is a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person (especially one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, or unreasoning allegiance).

I just question how all this blanket ####### about "the left" or "the right" is actually beneficial. It certainly can't be if people are terming themselves "activists" and justifying the use of intimidation and outright lies to squelch opposition to a healthcare reform bill that hasn't actually been finalized.

[GaryC 7]

No Gary, its not restricted merely to political parties - the term "Partisan" refers to someone who is a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person (especially one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, or unreasoning allegiance).

I just question how all this blanket ####### about "the left" or "the right" is actually beneficial. It certainly can't be if people are terming themselves "activists" and justifying the use of intimidation and outright lies to squelch opposition to a healthcare reform bill that hasn't actually been finalized.

It is very simple, I do not want the government getting any more power over us in the health care arena. I don't care how it is done, just so it is defeated. Call me what you like, I really don't care.

[Peikko 1,575]

You don't want something even though you don't know what it is or how it might work simply because it's federal government run. Of course, I understand that it's not very American to have a positive view of what the federal government can/could achieve, the very idea that a federal government could produce something useful is simply too 'European' and 'socialist' and real Americans don't want it. That's the level of argument. The manipulation of the masses is very, very successful.