911 call and radio transmission

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http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_...ge_polic_4.html

Just below Gates pic of the incident you can listen to the 911 call and the radio transmissions.

The officer seemed to keep his cool during this, it was hard to tell how the professor was acting because the transmissions are brief and the voice in the background is hard to hear. With 2minutes and 15 seconds left you can hear the voice in the background and another one was with about a 1minute and 45 seconds left.

I think Gates is going to have a hard time trying to sell his silly racial profiling statement.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who's he trying to sell it to?

Seems like water under the bridge now, unless some sort of law suit is in the works.

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Could say the same about the initial caller- whom claims she never saw the race of the potential B&E intruders.

Also, it appears she never met the arresting officer, as is claimed in the police report... so... ummm... someone's lying.

Maybe she feels left out by not getting an invite to the White House for a beer?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Who's he trying to sell it to?

Seems like water under the bridge now, unless some sort of law suit is in the works.

Simple he hasn't retracted his statement and still stands by it

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Could say the same about the initial caller- whom claims she never saw the race of the potential B&E intruders.

She said she thought the second one might be Hispanic.

Also, it appears she never met the arresting officer, as is claimed in the police report... so... ummm... someone's lying.

I dont get where your going with this

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Could say the same about the initial caller- whom claims she never saw the race of the potential B&E intruders.

She said she thought the second one might be Hispanic.

Also, it appears she never met the arresting officer, as is claimed in the police report... so... ummm... someone's lying.

I dont get where your going with this

The same can be said of the professor's claim as you make it so (re: racial profiling). Since the caller, Whalen, is quoted in the police report as saying something she herself claims she didn't say and do... then it seems a bit odd.

You may not see what I am saying, but I see what you're doing by pointing out what you do.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who's he trying to sell it to?

Seems like water under the bridge now, unless some sort of law suit is in the works.

Simple he hasn't retracted his statement and still stands by it

So what?

It's his right to do that, surely...

[_Simpson_ 250]

The same can be said of the professor's claim as you make it so (re: racial profiling). Since the caller, Whalen, is quoted in the police report as saying something she herself claims she didn't say and do... then it seems a bit odd.

I think what was more important is the 911 call then what she put in the police report. When arriving to the house all the officer knew was that he might be Hispanic. Also in the 911 call she was being polite and mentioning that they had luggage with them and that maybe there key didnt work. It seemed she was being very fair and reasonable about the situation so to suggest that she was profiling seems very silly to me. Later on when the police talked to her about what happened she probably knew by that time that the two were black and wasnt really thinking about it.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Who's he trying to sell it to?

Seems like water under the bridge now, unless some sort of law suit is in the works.

Simple he hasn't retracted his statement and still stands by it

So what?

It's his right to do that, surely...

I must shake my head here, I think you are purposely trying to be confusing, entertainment for you or something. He claimed there was racial profiling and Im saying most aren't going to believe that silly story plain and simple.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who's he trying to sell it to?

Seems like water under the bridge now, unless some sort of law suit is in the works.

Simple he hasn't retracted his statement and still stands by it

So what?

It's his right to do that, surely...

I must shake my head here, I think you are purposely trying to be confusing, entertainment for you or something. He claimed there was racial profiling and Im saying most aren't going to believe that silly story plain and simple.

Don't shake your head too hard - something might come loose

Seriously though - what does it matter who believes his story or not? Its his interpretation of the events he experienced - just as the police officers are of his own. Noone is going to get to the bottom of it, regardless of how much 3rd hand analysis is done on the internet.

I mean... what do you think is physically going to come out of this? Is Gates going to lose his job and be hounded out of town?

Those are rhetorical questions of course - if there's a lawsuit, then these things are relevant. If there isn't - then the court of public opinion has no bearing on anything.

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The same can be said of the professor's claim as you make it so (re: racial profiling). Since the caller, Whalen, is quoted in the police report as saying something she herself claims she didn't say and do... then it seems a bit odd.

I think what was more important is the 911 call then what she put in the police report. When arriving to the house all the officer knew was that he might be Hispanic. Also in the 911 call she was being polite and mentioning that they had luggage with them and that maybe there key didnt work. It seemed she was being very fair and reasonable about the situation so to suggest that she was profiling seems very silly to me. Later on when the police talked to her about what happened she probably knew by that time that the two were black and wasnt really thinking about it.

So it seems, even in light of all of this information, the officer filed an inaccurate report. Furthermore, it also appears that the nature of the profiling- where it usually lies- isn't in the social aspect of things but more appropriately, in the law enforcement side of things. Hence the police report is worded as such.

Who's he trying to sell it to?

Seems like water under the bridge now, unless some sort of law suit is in the works.

Simple he hasn't retracted his statement and still stands by it

So what?

It's his right to do that, surely...

I must shake my head here, I think you are purposely trying to be confusing, entertainment for you or something. He claimed there was racial profiling and Im saying most aren't going to believe that silly story plain and simple.

Profiling by the caller, correct. Profiling by the police... is another issue. Do I think this is a clear and cut case of profiling by the police, likely not.

[alienlovechild 75]

I think what was more important is the 911 call then what she put in the police report.

Surely, it was more spontaneous on the 911 call. Who recalls everything one has said as compared to a recording?

Also in the 911 call she was being polite and mentioning that they had luggage with them and that maybe there key didnt work. It seemed she was being very fair and reasonable about the situation so to suggest that she was profiling seems very silly to me. Later on when the police talked to her about what happened she probably knew by that time that the two were black and wasnt really thinking about it

The facts are clear that Prof. Gates second sentence to the cop was racial in nature, continued onward to "your mama. . . and shouting to the people outside something about this is how black men in America are treated. Gates profession colors his worldview so it should be no surprise he flipped out.

I wonder if say victims of crimes committed by minorities could justify their rage or fear based on prior incidents? That may be understandable but it's bad public policy to grant collective allowances for bad behavior by members of any group based on historical precedents.

"You don't know who you're messing with" comment from a pompous professor with connections isn't shocking either. I found it humorous that another buddy of Gates and Obama, a guy named Dyson, referred to Gates, Obama and the cop as "elites". Since when is a street cop an elite on par with a Harvard professor or the President?

[HAL 9000 96]

Who's he trying to sell it to?

Seems like water under the bridge now, unless some sort of law suit is in the works.

Simple he hasn't retracted his statement and still stands by it

So what?

It's his right to do that, surely...

I must shake my head here, I think you are purposely trying to be confusing, entertainment for you or something. He claimed there was racial profiling and Im saying most aren't going to believe that silly story plain and simple.

Don't shake your head too hard - something might come loose

Seriously though - what does it matter who believes his story or not? Its his interpretation of the events he experienced - just as the police officers are of his own. Noone is going to get to the bottom of it, regardless of how much 3rd hand analysis is done on the internet.

I mean... what do you think is physically going to come out of this? Is Gates going to lose his job and be hounded out of town?

Those are rhetorical questions of course - if there's a lawsuit, then these things are relevant. If there isn't - then the court of public opinion has no bearing on anything.

And likely there won't be a lawsuit- unless the prof goes nuts and files after saying he didn't.

Indeed... so much 'analysis and debate is odd' given the arrest should never have occurred given the obvious.

Again...

ATTITUDE is not a crime.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Who's he trying to sell it to?

Seems like water under the bridge now, unless some sort of law suit is in the works.

Simple he hasn't retracted his statement and still stands by it

So what?

It's his right to do that, surely...

I must shake my head here, I think you are purposely trying to be confusing, entertainment for you or something. He claimed there was racial profiling and Im saying most aren't going to believe that silly story plain and simple.

Don't shake your head too hard - something might come loose

Seriously though - what does it matter who believes his story or not? Its his interpretation of the events he experienced - just as the police officers are of his own. Noone is going to get to the bottom of it, regardless of how much 3rd hand analysis is done on the internet.

I mean... what do you think is physically going to come out of this? Is Gates going to lose his job and be hounded out of town?

Those are rhetorical questions of course - if there's a lawsuit, then these things are relevant. If there isn't - then the court of public opinion has no bearing on anything.

It matters for alot of reasons and besides it isnt just Gates word against the officers anymore, we have audio now. Does the audio answer all the questions, no but it clearly shows that racial profiling did not happen and the professors take on this was wrong. It is important that this part at least gets out there because IMO the race card is used way to much in this country and Im tried of it

Will he take it to court? I hope so, he would be bettter off just trying to let this one die down he has no ground to stand on.

Edited July 27, 2009 by looking_up

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I'm tired of the race card being used as an excuse in actual cases of racism too.