Hating The Environment

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Last I checked, this was supposed to be the "Land of the Free"

Must have been a long time ago, I am guessing you haven't checked since the Clinton years.

[mRx 16]

Last I checked, this was supposed to be the "Land of the Free"

Must have been a long time ago, I am guessing you haven't checked since the Clinton years.

I guess perceptions change over time. Statism is the new freedom.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Last I checked, this was supposed to be the "Land of the Free"

Must have been a long time ago, I am guessing you haven't checked since the Clinton years.

I guess perceptions change over time. Statism is the new freedom.

You are free to love the state. You are free to pay taxes. You are free to feed the municipal parking meter at a frequency higher or equal to that required by law.

[pedroh 21]

everytime I see a 'glass' container,I throw paper in there

muahaha

[mRx 16]

Last I checked, this was supposed to be the "Land of the Free"

Must have been a long time ago, I am guessing you haven't checked since the Clinton years.

I guess perceptions change over time. Statism is the new freedom.

You are free to love the state. You are free to pay taxes. You are free to feed the municipal parking meter at a frequency higher or equal to that required by law.

It's a shame that there's still countries that haven't experieced these wonderful liberties.

I can't imagine their envy.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

They have meters in India but people ignore them.

In America, though, we feed them with a slavish dedication that is actually quite breathtaking.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I should have known anti-government libertarianism and deregulation would make an appearance somewhere

So presumably we should rip up forests for no other reason than that we can put in exclusive golf clubs and holiday resorts. We should, in other words, destroy the ecosystem without any regard for what actually makes our planet actually liveable - or at the simplest level, discount cause and effect.

Who cares if the destruction of rainforests and the conversion of land to intensive agriculture turns the soil barren (we sure didn't care during the Dust Bowl), or causes desertification.

What does it matter if we bulldoze those pesky sand dunes and install groynes on the beaches of every holiday resort (after all, marine erosion, like global warming is imaginary).

Reading that - I bet this guy has a taste for crocodile skin shoes, ivory handled cutlery and gorilla hand ashtrays!

Edited July 13, 2009 by Private Pike

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Last I checked, this was supposed to be the "Land of the Free"

Must have been a long time ago, I am guessing you haven't checked since the Clinton years.

I guess perceptions change over time. Statism is the new freedom.

You are free to love the state. You are free to pay taxes. You are free to feed the municipal parking meter at a frequency higher or equal to that required by law.

It's a shame that there's still countries that haven't experieced these wonderful liberties.

I can't imagine their envy.

Which ones?

[mRx 16]

I should have known anti-government libertarianism and deregulation would make an appearance somewhere

You're right. It is a bit of a taboo to believe that we naive citizens can actually manage our own affairs and make free choices.

I should've known Fabianism and statism would also make an appearance.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We can make free choices - but two millennia of recorded history have given us ample food for thought on which choices are the wrong ones.

Though they say people don't learn from history.

[mRx 16]

Last I checked, this was supposed to be the "Land of the Free"

Must have been a long time ago, I am guessing you haven't checked since the Clinton years.

I guess perceptions change over time. Statism is the new freedom.

You are free to love the state. You are free to pay taxes. You are free to feed the municipal parking meter at a frequency higher or equal to that required by law.

It's a shame that there's still countries that haven't experieced these wonderful liberties.

I can't imagine their envy.

Which ones?

I assume those with the most inefficiently run governments, and also America 1776-1788.

[Peikko 1,575]

What's with the only form of life that has a soul clap trap? Is that the basis of his rationale? Sold down a false premise river here I feel.

[mRx 16]

We can make free choices - but two millennia of recorded history have given us ample food for thought on which choices are the wrong ones.

Though they say people don't learn from history.

The science of human action is not studied a posteriori. It's useless.

[Peikko 1,575]

, to remind us that the purpose of these products is to snuff out bug life so it won't menace the only kind of life that has a soul and thus the only kind of life that matters: man.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The examples the guy offers are kinda dubious also.

Styrofoam may take up less space in landfill, but that isn't the reasoning why its use is discouraged (something to do with it not breaking down for thousands of years).

Similarly the rant about insecticides totally ignores the health impacts of those chemicals on humans (or in the case of DDT, that mosquitoes have developed a resistance to it).

His objections seem to arise from the idea that there is no debate on the merits of the positions that have been adopted to these issues, and that this amounts to baseless religiosity on the part of environmentalists. Not once does he consider that the reason that those debates don't exist is because they've already happened, and he missed them!

We can make free choices - but two millennia of recorded history have given us ample food for thought on which choices are the wrong ones.

Though they say people don't learn from history.

The science of human action is not studied a posteriori. It's useless.

Not in this context it isnt