Why We Need a Public Health-Care Plan

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"We" don't need a public healthcare plan. The uninsured and uninsurable need a public healthcare plan.

"We" like what we have.

Imagine if your employer took it away from you.

Then, I become one of the uninsured. Were I to develop an illness during this period, I'd then become one of the uninsurable.

The uninsured and uninsurable need a public plan. The rest of us don't.

Which is just what I said above, except you made me use extra words. Please pay attention next time, I don't have all day.

I'm not sure if you are the USC or the immigrant. But I just thought I should remind you that if the foreign born half of your relationship becomes 'uninsurable' before they naturalize, they can't use any current public plans. Those are 'means tested benefits' and in some states (maybe yours) they are regulated such that aliens have no access to them.

Smugness really isn't an asset, you see.

[Down With PMP 0]

3) If a public option for uninsured and uninsurable persons is introduced, why should a technically insurable not be able to choose that public option?

Limiting a public plan (I don't call it insurance) to the uninsured and uninsurable would likely pass the Senate as it would pose no threat to insurance industry profits. Safeguards in the form of punitive financial measures can be built in to the system to prevent employers from dropping out of plans.

Cover those who need it first. Score political points later.

I'm not sure if you are the USC or the immigrant. But I just thought I should remind you that if the foreign born half of your relationship becomes 'uninsurable' before they naturalize, they can't use any current public plans. Those are 'means tested benefits' and in some states (maybe yours) they are regulated such that aliens have no access to them.

Smugness really isn't an asset, you see.

Did I say anything about existing plans? I'm talking about a new plan. Pay attention, lady.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Old or new - LPRs would still (very likely) be ineligible for public insurance, just as we are ineligible for any public benefits.

[Down With PMP 0]

Wrong again. The stated purpose of the new plan would be to insure all the uninsureds and uninsurables.

[scandal 951]

"We" don't need a public healthcare plan. The uninsured and uninsurable need a public healthcare plan.

"We" like what we have.

Imagine if your employer took it away from you.

Then, I become one of the uninsured. Were I to develop an illness during this period, I'd then become one of the uninsurable.

The uninsured and uninsurable need a public plan. The rest of us don't.

Which is just what I said above, except you made me use extra words. Please pay attention next time, I don't have all day.

I'm not sure if you are the USC or the immigrant. But I just thought I should remind you that if the foreign born half of your relationship becomes 'uninsurable' before they naturalize, they can't use any current public plans. Those are 'means tested benefits' and in some states (maybe yours) they are regulated such that aliens have no access to them.

Smugness really isn't an asset, you see.

I take him for a troll. Not to be taken seriously.

I suggest those of us who really have something of value to discuss here, should continue to do so. It's inevitable that the haterz will want to crash the party but we don't need to allow them to.

Big Dog - Your views are much appreciated! Thanks for sharing.

RJ - I know you are going through a personal hell with the issue of healthcare. How do you view the current reform proposals? Are you in favor of what you're hearing?

[Down With PMP 0]

2500 words or less = troll

classic.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wrong again. The stated purpose of the new plan would be to insure all the uninsureds and uninsurables.

Oh RLY?

They haven't exactly thrashed out anything approaching a concrete plan, but never mind that eh. We can all pull "stated purpose" out of our a$$ if that's what we are intent on believing in.

Edited June 24, 2009 by Private Pike

[scandal 951]

Old or new - LPRs would still (very likely) be ineligible for public insurance, just as we are ineligible for any public benefits.

That's not how it has to be, or how it should be.

In Ontario insurance is offered based upon legal residence, with a waiting period. Once you've waited out the holding time (I believe 6 months), if you are a legal resident of the province, you're eligible for coverage. That applies to new immigrants as well. I believe other Canadian provinces are similar.

No doubt the UK and other countries offer this as well.

Why? Because it makes sense. It's a burden on society to have people without coverage. It's in everyone's interest that we all have coverage.

[Down With PMP 0]

Yes. That is the 'plan' I would support. No immigration test.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

2500 words or less = troll

classic.

Please fill in your timeline.

[Down With PMP 0]

2500 words or less = troll

classic.

Please fill in your timeline.

If you read my early posts you'd know I don't have one yet.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Old or new - LPRs would still (very likely) be ineligible for public insurance, just as we are ineligible for any public benefits.

That's not how it has to be, or how it should be.

In Ontario insurance is offered based upon legal residence, with a waiting period. Once you've waited out the holding time (I believe 6 months), if you are a legal resident of the province, you're eligible for coverage. That applies to new immigrants as well. I believe other Canadian provinces are similar.

No doubt the UK and other countries offer this as well.

Why? Because it makes sense. It's a burden on society to have people without coverage. It's in everyone's interest that we all have coverage.

Hey I didn't say that's what I believe - just that its consistent with the US' general attitude towards providing "public" benefits to non USCs.

[rebeccajo 14]

"We" don't need a public healthcare plan. The uninsured and uninsurable need a public healthcare plan.

"We" like what we have.

Imagine if your employer took it away from you.

Then, I become one of the uninsured. Were I to develop an illness during this period, I'd then become one of the uninsurable.

The uninsured and uninsurable need a public plan. The rest of us don't.

Which is just what I said above, except you made me use extra words. Please pay attention next time, I don't have all day.

I'm not sure if you are the USC or the immigrant. But I just thought I should remind you that if the foreign born half of your relationship becomes 'uninsurable' before they naturalize, they can't use any current public plans. Those are 'means tested benefits' and in some states (maybe yours) they are regulated such that aliens have no access to them.

Smugness really isn't an asset, you see.

I take him for a troll. Not to be taken seriously.

I suggest those of us who really have something of value to discuss here, should continue to do so. It's inevitable that the haterz will want to crash the party but we don't need to allow them to.

Big Dog - Your views are much appreciated! Thanks for sharing.

RJ - I know you are going through a personal hell with the issue of healthcare. How do you view the current reform proposals? Are you in favor of what you're hearing?

Not particularly. I see nothing being proposed to check the greed of the insurance companies or the drug companies.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

2500 words or less = troll

classic.

Please fill in your timeline.

If you read my early posts you'd know I don't have one yet.

Oh, my mistake.

Is that like your "early work"?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"We" don't need a public healthcare plan. The uninsured and uninsurable need a public healthcare plan.

"We" like what we have.

Imagine if your employer took it away from you.

Then, I become one of the uninsured. Were I to develop an illness during this period, I'd then become one of the uninsurable.

The uninsured and uninsurable need a public plan. The rest of us don't.

Which is just what I said above, except you made me use extra words. Please pay attention next time, I don't have all day.

I'm not sure if you are the USC or the immigrant. But I just thought I should remind you that if the foreign born half of your relationship becomes 'uninsurable' before they naturalize, they can't use any current public plans. Those are 'means tested benefits' and in some states (maybe yours) they are regulated such that aliens have no access to them.

Smugness really isn't an asset, you see.

I take him for a troll. Not to be taken seriously.

I suggest those of us who really have something of value to discuss here, should continue to do so. It's inevitable that the haterz will want to crash the party but we don't need to allow them to.

Big Dog - Your views are much appreciated! Thanks for sharing.

RJ - I know you are going through a personal hell with the issue of healthcare. How do you view the current reform proposals? Are you in favor of what you're hearing?

Not particularly. I see nothing being proposed to check the greed of the insurance companies or the drug companies.

That's my issue as well - the focus seems to be on coverage, rather than on quality of service.