A mainstream UK political party is officially for whites only - that would never happen in Australia!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Right and they're moving all the way to white supremacists.

When we move to the Right in America, it's never that far. Our wingnuts just focus on getting rich, they don't care what color you are as long as you're willing to party.

Never say never.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

People like him are not politically ascendant in 2009 America.

The BNP in the UK is.

Bush/Cheney were many things, they were not white supremacists. The analogy is a fail.

I think Europes backlash is mostly against the growing Muslim population. I don't think the US has come close to facing what the Europeans are. The large Southern immigration population dresses like Americans, and are Christian almost exclusively. Plus, the US, especially in the West, has historically included the Spanish influences in our culture.

The last time the Muslims were in Europe, they were expunged from Spain in 1492.

[Danno 1,228]

No Danno, it was mostly because fewer people voted.

I don't think for a minute that people will en-masse support the BNP, but there is an element of the protest vote that supports fringe parties because they hate the Labour / Tory doubleplay (as people her get disenfranchised with the Republicans and Democrats). There are of course - total racists who vote for them as well.

The OP article is accurate - the BNPs entire ideological platform is about race. They're white supremacists, Danno.

Race is the most common rallying flag the world over.

Here, lets take your line; "the BNPs entire ideological platform is about race."

and slightly modify it (to make it local).

Obamas entire theological platform is about race.

Does this make him a racist?

Lets look at the "Black value system" which was a main part of Obamas church.

Are the spirit of these concepts much different than BNP goals?

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THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM

1. Commitment to God. "The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

2. Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community. I John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother [or his sister], he is a liar; for he that loveth not his brother or sister whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

3. Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate. Deuteronomy 6:6-8 - And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college. Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind.

5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor. Ecclesiastes 9:10 - Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. "It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago." Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce. II Thessalonians 3:7-12 - For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labor and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth. I Peter 1:4-7 - To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.

8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness." Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor's control. Proverbs 3:13-14 - Happy are those who find wisdom and those who gain understanding, for her income is better than silver and her revenue better than gold.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

* Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.

* Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.

* Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of "we" and "they" instead of "us."

* So, while it is permissible to chase "middleclassness" with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of Black "middleclassness." If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our "voluntary" contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

9. Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.

10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.

11. Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.

12. Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?op...view&id=114

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What some suffer from is "selective outrage".

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

People like him are not politically ascendant in 2009 America.

The BNP in the UK is.

Bush/Cheney were many things, they were not white supremacists. The analogy is a fail.

I think Europes backlash is mostly against the growing Muslim population. I don't think the US has come close to facing what the Europeans are. The large Southern immigration population dresses like Americans, and are Christian almost exclusively. Plus, the US, especially in the West, has historically included the Spanish influences in our culture.

The last time the Muslims were in Europe, they were expunged from Spain in 1492.

It isn't the muslims - though there has been a spike in immigration after the Iraq War (thanks America!) - its more to do with the economic downturn and with the EU immigration rules. They expanded the union to take in Romania and Bulgaria (which was very controversial at the time) and its resulted in an influx of (legal) East European immigration that has actually changed diluted the character of many towns and cities.

The issues with muslim immigrants are more localised - south of France near the mediterranean border with Morocco, parts of London and a few towns in the north of England.

[scandal 951]

People like him are not politically ascendant in 2009 America.

The BNP in the UK is.

Bush/Cheney were many things, they were not white supremacists. The analogy is a fail.

I think Europes backlash is mostly against the growing Muslim population. I don't think the US has come close to facing what the Europeans are. The large Southern immigration population dresses like Americans, and are Christian almost exclusively. Plus, the US, especially in the West, has historically included the Spanish influences in our culture.

The last time the Muslims were in Europe, they were expunged from Spain in 1492.

Actually Mr. Bill, the Ottoman Empire controlled much of the Balkans - Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Albania, right through the end of the 19th Century, and there remain significant Muslim populations throughout the region. Muslim Ottomans were at the gates of Vienna well after 1492.

Not that this little history detour means anything in the context of your point... which by and large has merit. France has waves of North African immigrants from Morocco and Algeria. Germany has Turkish "guest workers". The UK has immigration from south Asia, particularly India and Pakistan. Holland, Belgium, Italy, Scandinavian countries do as well. Note that I am not saying there's anything wrong with immigration. But I think Bill's point that it is the proximate cause of the right-wing reaction in Europe is quite true.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Danno - the BNP wants to kick out immigrants and non-indigenous (non-white) Britons.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

People like him are not politically ascendant in 2009 America.

The BNP in the UK is.

Bush/Cheney were many things, they were not white supremacists. The analogy is a fail.

I think Europes backlash is mostly against the growing Muslim population. I don't think the US has come close to facing what the Europeans are. The large Southern immigration population dresses like Americans, and are Christian almost exclusively. Plus, the US, especially in the West, has historically included the Spanish influences in our culture.

The last time the Muslims were in Europe, they were expunged from Spain in 1492.

Actually Mr. Bill, the Ottoman Empire controlled much of the Balkans - Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Albania, right through the end of the 19th Century, and there remain significant Muslim populations throughout the region. Muslim Ottomans were at the gates of Vienna well after 1492.

Not that this little history detour means anything in the context of your point... which by and large has merit. France has waves of North African immigrants from Morocco and Algeria. Germany has Turkish "guest workers". The UK has immigration from south Asia, particularly India and Pakistan. Holland, Belgium, Italy, Scandinavian countries do as well. Note that I am not saying there's anything wrong with immigration. But I think Bill's point that it is the proximate cause of the right-wing reaction in Europe is quite true.

Where the hell is Marc??

[scandal 951]

Where the hell is Marc??

Yeah, like really????

#######??

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Where the hell is Marc??

Yeah, like really????

#######??

This night is getting mighty boring.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

People like him are not politically ascendant in 2009 America.

The BNP in the UK is.

Bush/Cheney were many things, they were not white supremacists. The analogy is a fail.

I think Europes backlash is mostly against the growing Muslim population. I don't think the US has come close to facing what the Europeans are. The large Southern immigration population dresses like Americans, and are Christian almost exclusively. Plus, the US, especially in the West, has historically included the Spanish influences in our culture.

The last time the Muslims were in Europe, they were expunged from Spain in 1492.

Actually Mr. Bill, the Ottoman Empire controlled much of the Balkans - Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Albania, right through the end of the 19th Century, and there remain significant Muslim populations throughout the region. Muslim Ottomans were at the gates of Vienna well after 1492.

Not that this little history detour means anything in the context of your point... which by and large has merit. France has waves of North African immigrants from Morocco and Algeria. Germany has Turkish "guest workers". The UK has immigration from south Asia, particularly India and Pakistan. Holland, Belgium, Italy, Scandinavian countries do as well. Note that I am not saying there's anything wrong with immigration. But I think Bill's point that it is the proximate cause of the right-wing reaction in Europe is quite true.

Yeah, I caught that myself, and almost edited in "Western". After all, WWI and WWII are often referred to as the the last of the Ottoman wars, and much of the problems in the Middle East and beyond stem from the resolutions of those two wars.

[Danno 1,228]

Danno - the BNP wants to kick out immigrants and non-indigenous (non-white) Britons.

Sounds like "group preservation", in both cases.

The main diff is;

BNP = a few seats

OBAMA- President and leader of the free-world.

We agree BNP is not going to show all their cards relating to these race-views, do you think Obama is showing all his?

Or will he just quietly put Judges on benches, put money in coffers and similar passive activism?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Danno - the BNP wants to kick out immigrants and non-indigenous (non-white) Britons.

Sounds like "group preservation", in both cases.

The main diff is;

BNP = a few seats

OBAMA- President and leader of the free-world.

We agree BNP is not going to show all their cards relating to these race-views, do you think Obama is showing all his?

Or will he just quietly put Judges on benches, put money in coffers and similar passive activism?

Thats not "quite" the same Danno