A mainstream UK political party is officially for whites only - that would never happen in Australia!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Angelcakes :star: , why don't you blow AJ a kiss and thank him for this lovely thread he started just for us?

yo, keep your little faygel away from me

I created a monster.

But it was never my intent to create a gay monster.

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The danger is that what they say will sound 'reasonable' to some people. Like Scientologists, the BNP aren't going to come out and say what they really think or want (in public anyway) so instead they talk 'reasonably' of 'indigenous people', 'illegal immigrants', 'bogus asylum seekers', etc.

I think you don't give people enough credit. When people hear this stuff, they know what the code stands for. They recognize it. They then latch on to the politician who spews the right code words, knowing fully well the true narrative behind it can never be spoken.

People who like Tancredo, for example. They aren't for law enforcement, even though they will lie to you and tell you that's what they're about. No, no. They're smart. Smart enough to know that if they told you the truth behind their motivations, you'd be repulsed. It just isn't fashionable anymore to admit you're a hateful fuckhead who gets his/her jollies through terrorizing an entire community of people.

So, honestly, I don't buy for a minute that people get suckered in by what sounds reasonable. Politicians talk in code and people respond to the code. They know what it means.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

The danger is that what they say will sound 'reasonable' to some people. Like Scientologists, the BNP aren't going to come out and say what they really think or want (in public anyway) so instead they talk 'reasonably' of 'indigenous people', 'illegal immigrants', 'bogus asylum seekers', etc.

I think you don't give people enough credit. When people hear this stuff, they know what the code stands for. They recognize it. They then latch on to the politician who spews the right code words, knowing fully well the true narrative behind it can never be spoken.

People who like Tancredo, for example. They aren't for law enforcement, even though they will lie to you and tell you that's what they're about. No, no. They're smart. Smart enough to know that if they told you the truth behind their motivations, you'd be repulsed. It just isn't fashionable anymore to admit you're a hateful fuckhead who gets his/her jollies through terrorizing an entire community of people.

So, honestly, I don't buy for a minute that people get suckered in by what sounds reasonable. Politicians talk in code and people respond to the code. They know what it means.

Are you posting in code?

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Do you recognize it?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Do you recognize it?

I don't want to give it away so the Rethugs will know.

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But it was never my intent to create a gay monster.

Ah, but that's the whole thing about creating monsters, spook! Once Dr. Frankenshteen has bolted it together, and the bolt of lightning is applied, you no longer control the life you have created. It's alive!! It's alive!!!

So, honestly, I don't buy for a minute that people get suckered in by what sounds reasonable. Politicians talk in code and people respond to the code. They know what it means.

AJ, why do you oppose family values? Do you hate families? Have you no values?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

But it was never my intent to create a gay monster.

Ah, but that's the whole thing about creating monsters, spook! Once Dr. Frankenshteen has bolted it together, and the bolt of lightning is applied, you no longer control the life you have created. It's alive!! It's alive!!!

####### is that?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The danger is that what they say will sound 'reasonable' to some people. Like Scientologists, the BNP aren't going to come out and say what they really think or want (in public anyway) so instead they talk 'reasonably' of 'indigenous people', 'illegal immigrants', 'bogus asylum seekers', etc.

I think you don't give people enough credit. When people hear this stuff, they know what the code stands for. They recognize it. They then latch on to the politician who spews the right code words, knowing fully well the true narrative behind it can never be spoken.

People who like Tancredo, for example. They aren't for law enforcement, even though they will lie to you and tell you that's what they're about. No, no. They're smart. Smart enough to know that if they told you the truth behind their motivations, you'd be repulsed. It just isn't fashionable anymore to admit you're a hateful fuckhead who gets his/her jollies through terrorizing an entire community of people.

So, honestly, I don't buy for a minute that people get suckered in by what sounds reasonable. Politicians talk in code and people respond to the code. They know what it means.

That is true to a degree - but I don't think people always put that much thought into who they're they're voting for or what they actually represent. There is always an element of the protest vote that goes to fringe parties. Totally anecdotal but when I spoke to my dad at the weekend he was telling me that a Pakistani client of his told him that he voted BNP because he wanted to stick it to the mainstream parties. Bizarre reasoning to say the least - as I can't imagine Mr Patel would find himself very welcome at a BNP party meeting...

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Patels aren't the brightest.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Patels aren't the brightest.

All joking aside - it does make you wonder why someone would vote for something that is completely against their own self interest. The BNP doesn't represent any self-interest - all they want to do finger-point and suggest that things would be much better if England didn't have all those "foreign types".

[Danno 1,228]

The real problem with giving the BNP a public platform is that the BBC is obligated to give them airtime, under impartiality rules. The danger is that what they say will sound 'reasonable' to some people. Like Scientologists, the BNP aren't going to come out and say what they really think or want (in public anyway) so instead they talk 'reasonably'......znip

Now Pike, this was choice.

So the problem is this group gets a shot at free speech to a larger audience... and the British folk are so gullible they just might slurp it right up?

And you suppose this BNP party might not be straight with "the People" about their broader goals?

Welcome to the world of Politics ma'boy.

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I suspect you think :The people" can be duped in your country as they were in Germany?

I don't know much about the BNP to know if they are "that far out" or "that clever" but I doubt they are going to take "The People" where they don't already want to go.

Anyway, as they say "Day-light is a good disinfectant", now that this party is thrust into the day-light of politics, their unacceptable positions will attract or repel people.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The real problem with giving the BNP a public platform is that the BBC is obligated to give them airtime, under impartiality rules. The danger is that what they say will sound 'reasonable' to some people. Like Scientologists, the BNP aren't going to come out and say what they really think or want (in public anyway) so instead they talk 'reasonably'......znip

Now Pike, this was choice.

So the problem is this group gets a shot at free speech to a larger audience... and the British folk are so gullible they just might slurp it right up?

And you suppose this BNP party might not be straight with "the People" about their broader goals?

Welcome to the world of Politics ma'boy.

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I suspect you think :The people" can be duped in your country as they were in Germany?

I don't know much about the BNP to know if they are "that far out" or "that clever" but I doubt they are going to take "The People" where they don't already want to go.

Anyway, as they say "Day-light is a good disinfectant", now that this party is thrust into the day-light of politics, their unacceptable positions will attract or repel people.

No Danno, it was mostly because fewer people voted.

I don't think for a minute that people will en-masse support the BNP, but there is an element of the protest vote that supports fringe parties because they hate the Labour / Tory doubleplay (as people her get disenfranchised with the Republicans and Democrats). There are of course - total racists who vote for them as well.

The OP article is accurate - the BNPs entire ideological platform is about race. They're white supremacists, Danno.

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[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The real problem with giving the BNP a public platform is that the BBC is obligated to give them airtime, under impartiality rules. The danger is that what they say will sound 'reasonable' to some people. Like Scientologists, the BNP aren't going to come out and say what they really think or want (in public anyway) so instead they talk 'reasonably'......znip

Now Pike, this was choice.

So the problem is this group gets a shot at free speech to a larger audience... and the British folk are so gullible they just might slurp it right up?

And you suppose this BNP party might not be straight with "the People" about their broader goals?

Welcome to the world of Politics ma'boy.

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I suspect you think :The people" can be duped in your country as they were in Germany?

I don't know much about the BNP to know if they are "that far out" or "that clever" but I doubt they are going to take "The People" where they don't already want to go.

Anyway, as they say "Day-light is a good disinfectant", now that this party is thrust into the day-light of politics, their unacceptable positions will attract or repel people.

No Danno, it was mostly because fewer people voted.

I don't think for a minute that people will en-masse support the BNP, but there is an element of the protest vote that supports fringe parties because they hate the Labour / Tory doubleplay (as people her get disenfranchised with the Republicans and Democrats). There are of course - total racists who vote for them as well.

The OP article is accurate - the BNPs entire ideological platform is about race. They're white supremacists, Danno.

But isn't that the British legacy? That was the assumption during the whole British colonial period, and still somewhat alive even toward fellow occupants of the British Isles, who are not quite "proper" Brits, are they?

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the BNPs entire ideological platform is about race. They're white supremacists, Danno.

But isn't that the British legacy?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The real problem with giving the BNP a public platform is that the BBC is obligated to give them airtime, under impartiality rules. The danger is that what they say will sound 'reasonable' to some people. Like Scientologists, the BNP aren't going to come out and say what they really think or want (in public anyway) so instead they talk 'reasonably'......znip

Now Pike, this was choice.

So the problem is this group gets a shot at free speech to a larger audience... and the British folk are so gullible they just might slurp it right up?

And you suppose this BNP party might not be straight with "the People" about their broader goals?

Welcome to the world of Politics ma'boy.

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I suspect you think :The people" can be duped in your country as they were in Germany?

I don't know much about the BNP to know if they are "that far out" or "that clever" but I doubt they are going to take "The People" where they don't already want to go.

Anyway, as they say "Day-light is a good disinfectant", now that this party is thrust into the day-light of politics, their unacceptable positions will attract or repel people.

No Danno, it was mostly because fewer people voted.

I don't think for a minute that people will en-masse support the BNP, but there is an element of the protest vote that supports fringe parties because they hate the Labour / Tory doubleplay (as people her get disenfranchised with the Republicans and Democrats). There are of course - total racists who vote for them as well.

The OP article is accurate - the BNPs entire ideological platform is about race. They're white supremacists, Danno.

But isn't that the British legacy? That was the assumption during the whole British colonial period, and still somewhat alive even toward fellow occupants of the British Isles, who are not quite "proper" Brits, are they?

Um not where I'm from...

In the Colonial period racism was common currency throughout Europe (and America). It wasn't just a British thing and the BNP are no more representative than the KKK is here.