US Army officer in Iraq latest questioner of 0bama's eligibility

[Peikko 1,575]

I particularly like his use of 'subjects of the crown' which appears to be some kind of demeaning term as if being British is an inferior status, that a British citizen is subject to the whims of the royal family. It's rather a quaint idea even if it hasn't been true for quite some time

[justashooter 430]

Classic. So, not only is Barack's father arabian, he was also responsible for the slave trade too. It gets better and better.

consider more recent history. look to what osama's cousin, obongo, has done in Kenya within the last 20 years. innocent souls are screaming from the soil, but you don't care, because the reality of their unwarranted murders does not fit neatly into your twisted cognitive schema.

I'm no more culturally Scottish than Obama is culturally Arab or how a German descended Pennsylvanian is culturally German.

you are telling me about pennsylvania dutch? that's a hoot. i happen to live in york county, on a farm between mennonite farm families. i have neighbors that are amish. they all speak at least some german, and cook german style. did i mention that my father's side was church of brethren? names like Faust, Holtzappffel, Schmidt, Baublitz in the family? yes, we're all still somewhat german in lifestyle and thinking.

acorns don't fall far from the tree.

I particularly like his use of 'subjects of the crown' which appears to be some kind of demeaning term as if being British is an inferior status, that a British citizen is subject to the whims of the royal family. It's rather a quaint idea even if it hasn't been true for quite some time

when you lay down the cards, you have to call a spade a spade.

[Peikko 1,575]

Classic. So, not only is Barack's father arabian, he was also responsible for the slave trade too. It gets better and better.

consider more recent history. look to what osama's cousin, obongo, has done in Kenya within the last 20 years. innocent souls are screaming from the soil, but you don't care, because the reality of their unwarranted murders does not fit neatly into your twisted cognitive schema.

Now why would I want to look at the doings of Obama's cousin? What have they to do with anything, beyond some crazy drama that is going on in your own head? You have an agenda, one in which for whatever reason you do not like the idea of Barack Obama being your president. Now you are searching around for 'evidence' that he is not fit to be your president even though he is duly elected. Why you would want to do that is anyone's guess. However, that is what you are doing.

I on the other hand have no agenda, beyond to find entertainment where I will and you are entertaining, nothing more

[Peikko 1,575]

Classic. So, not only is Barack's father arabian, he was also responsible for the slave trade too. It gets better and better.

consider more recent history. look to what osama's cousin, obongo, has done in Kenya within the last 20 years. innocent souls are screaming from the soil, but you don't care, because the reality of their unwarranted murders does not fit neatly into your twisted cognitive schema.

I'm no more culturally Scottish than Obama is culturally Arab or how a German descended Pennsylvanian is culturally German.

you are telling me about pennsylvania dutch? that's a hoot. i happen to live in york county, on a farm between mennonite farm families. i have neighbors that are amish. they all speak at least some german, and cook german style. did i mention that my father's side was church of brethren? names like Faust, Holtzappffel, Schmidt, Baublitz in the family? yes, we're all still somewhat german in lifestyle and thinking.

acorns don't fall far from the tree.

I particularly like his use of 'subjects of the crown' which appears to be some kind of demeaning term as if being British is an inferior status, that a British citizen is subject to the whims of the royal family. It's rather a quaint idea even if it hasn't been true for quite some time

when you lay down the cards, you have to call a spade a spade.

British citizens are citizens, they are not subjects. That is a figment of your somewhat overactive imagination. There are some niceties of legalese that use that term but in the sense you mean it, no, it simply is not the case. It's a quaint thought, but queenie no longer has the ability to simply call 'chop off her head!' and heads will roll. Perhaps too much 'Blackadder'?

Edited February 25, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Silence peasant - the great and mighty bridge king / schlong lord / 4 girls in a hot tub / science genius / holmesian sleuth has spoken and must not be contradicted!

[Saddle Bronc 124]

I'm still trying to work out how Justashooter thinks that Barack Obama is culturally Arabian. The mind boggles

That is pretty strange.

As stated in a post earlier in this thread, Osama's patrilineage is arabic in descent.

Kenya is inhabited by people of many ethnicities. The Chinese traded there under Cheng He in the 1600, so you see today people in Kenya descended from Chinese and the Javanese slaves they exported to East Africa, and moreso to Madagascar. Arabs are among of the ethnic groups existant in Kenya today. They immmigrated to East Africa en masse most recently during the early Victorian period, and acted as slave traders, an honorable profession in the Arab thought.

They made fortunes buying captured blacks of interior tribes from local tribes, and selling them to westerners at the dockside. Osama's family is from this parentage, whether you like it or not. In Kenya, birth records describe parentage by ethnicity, and have so since the early days of British rule. Osama's father is listed as an Arab in the registry.

I am suprised that jack and cleo, being subjects of the crown, are so ignorant of the history of their former colonial possessions. Perhaps this inadequacy is indicative of the entire education upon which their personas rest. Leave it to a poor colonial to correct them.

Eh, can you actually tell me when Osama (bin Laden's) father was ever in Kenya (he certainly wasn't born there but in Saudi Arabia, a subject of the chop monarchial dynasty of Abdul Aziz)? Barack Obama Sr. is listed as a Luo (exactly same as current PM-by-riots Raila Odinga, and a Nilotic tribal group native to Kenya).

(edit: when we moved to Columbia, our next-door neighbours were from Kenya--but they were Kikuyu and not pleased about a patrilineally-Luo becoming US President)

The Arabian ancestry actually comes from mum Anne.

I particularly like his use of 'subjects of the crown' which appears to be some kind of demeaning term as if being British is an inferior status, that a British citizen is subject to the whims of the royal family. It's rather a quaint idea even if it hasn't been true for quite some time

Also insulting to the Canadians, of whom there are enough to warrant a separate regional forum) as Canada's "patriated" in 1982 constitution still defines the Queen as head-of-state and Canucks as "crown subjects".

(I have seen some Americans who ignorantly believe that Canadians are co-citizens of British--but in my "early-days" in Calgary, there were also some elderly Canucks who believed that, and even that Indians could vote in Canada)

Edited February 25, 2009 by CherryXS

[justashooter 430]

Silence peasant - the great and mighty bridge king / schlong lord / 4 girls in a hot tub / science genius / holmesian sleuth has spoken and must not be contradicted!

go join some autonomous collective so that you can scream that you're being oppressed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I get the reference, but you don't oppress me.

You make me laugh.

[rclouse 0]

I'm still trying to work out how Justashooter thinks that Barack Obama is culturally Arabian. The mind boggles

That is pretty strange.

As stated in a post earlier in this thread, Osama's patrilineage is arabic in descent.

Kenya is inhabited by people of many ethnicities. The Chinese traded there under Cheng He in the 1600, so you see today people in Kenya descended from Chinese and the Javanese slaves they exported to East Africa, and moreso to Madagascar. Arabs are among of the ethnic groups existant in Kenya today. They immmigrated to East Africa en masse most recently during the early Victorian period, and acted as slave traders, an honorable profession in the Arab thought.

They made fortunes buying captured blacks of interior tribes from local tribes, and selling them to westerners at the dockside. Osama's family is from this parentage, whether you like it or not. In Kenya, birth records describe parentage by ethnicity, and have so since the early days of British rule. Osama's father is listed as an Arab in the registry.

I am suprised that jack and cleo, being subjects of the crown, are so ignorant of the history of their former colonial possessions. Perhaps this inadequacy is indicative of the entire education upon which their personas rest. Leave it to a poor colonial to correct them.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

I'm still trying to work out how Justashooter thinks that Barack Obama is culturally Arabian. The mind boggles

That is pretty strange.

As stated in a post earlier in this thread, Osama's patrilineage is arabic in descent.

Kenya is inhabited by people of many ethnicities. The Chinese traded there under Cheng He in the 1600, so you see today people in Kenya descended from Chinese and the Javanese slaves they exported to East Africa, and moreso to Madagascar. Arabs are among of the ethnic groups existant in Kenya today. They immmigrated to East Africa en masse most recently during the early Victorian period, and acted as slave traders, an honorable profession in the Arab thought.

They made fortunes buying captured blacks of interior tribes from local tribes, and selling them to westerners at the dockside. Osama's family is from this parentage, whether you like it or not. In Kenya, birth records describe parentage by ethnicity, and have so since the early days of British rule. Osama's father is listed as an Arab in the registry.

I am suprised that jack and cleo, being subjects of the crown, are so ignorant of the history of their former colonial possessions. Perhaps this inadequacy is indicative of the entire education upon which their personas rest. Leave it to a poor colonial to correct them.

It seems like justashooter assumes Muslim = Arab (unforunately, mistaken both ways, see lists below).

Examples of non-Muslim Arabs:

• Émile Lahoud (sp)
• Joseph Farah
• Jamie "Klinger" Farr
• Spencer Abraham

Examples of non-Arab Muslims:

• Idris Déby
• Musa Dadis Camara
• Mohd Khatami
• Hissène Habré

Edited February 25, 2009 by CherryXS

[Peikko 1,575]

The Klinger character was absolutely fab

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Middle name ain't the same as maiden name, is it?

The point is that nobody ever thought of referring to HRC as Diane (which happens to be her middle name to this date) and nobody referred to ole' Johnny as Sidney. Nor did anyone ever call GWB Walker, GHWB Herbert Walker, nobody ever referred to Reagan as Wilson, Slick Willy as Jefferson and so on and so forth. Hasn't been done and nobody would have ever referred to Obama by his middle name if it wasn't for the fact that it is an Arabic name.

Defending this nonsense is quite weak. Doing so by comparing apples and oranges is even weaker.

No but comparing names to names doesn't get much simpler or concrete except to you of course. If you didn't notice any jokes on "W", "Dubya", "Bush", "Shrub", "McSame", "Rod Em'", "Slick Willy" (you even brought that up). . . then get out of your cave.

Any name, first, middle, maiden, last can be a easy target. Even Obama used a friggin name "Barry" (not is middle name either) in school for whatever reason. Funny how many people feel the need to defend a man's name who won the election. If he's so fragile on his name (he isn't because HE brought it up ALL THE TIME) then you guys are going to go nuts defending him when things really get rough.

You just cannot admit the simple and obvious truth that the wingnuts on the right used and continue to use the President's middle name to create a link that simply doesn't exist. He's neither Arab nor Muslim. Get out of your little cave and admit it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That is the difference - the Hussein/Osama thing was intended to imply that Obama wasn't a "true American" and that he was some sort of covert muslim with questionable unamerican ideology (read: terrorist for the people it was aimed at).

[Saddle Bronc 124]

What will they do if pseudo-Muslim chop Looie Farakhan decides he wants to run for presidency?

[HAL 9000 96]

Sure... if you think the Obama / Hussein thing was floated for that reason.

I don't.

So it wasn't brought up to score political points in an association with some baddies or to heckle Barack Hussein Obama about 2/3's of his name? It didn't work but if it gained traction Obama would have changed his name to a symbol and asked to called "the junior Senator from Illinois" or something along the lines of "I like Ike" or "Barack the Vote".

So, Obama is Prince now?

But wasn't Prince from Minnesota?