Student Sues, Says Prof Called Him a "Fascist Bastard"

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Actually that is no more propagandist then anything other point of view. Each point of view is legit form of debate. He sounded like he was expressing his point of view and using what he thought was to him a valid point of reference. If it was a fair debate then someone else could come along and use a different point of view and reference material to refute him. As pointed out before the so called professor could have maybe himself refuted the student by pointing out his seeming errors.

The professor in this case dropped the ball big time. All points of view are valid and if one is propagandist then all sides are propagandist.

So if a student did a speech, praising Bin Laden and calling for the destruction of the United States, the professor should let him give his propaganda speech?

[msu17 0]

I don't know if this is an indicator of a general trend in teaching at university level, but it does seem to me that this professor just isn't much good.

It was a community college. In Los Angeles City Schools, they are basically an extension of the High Schools:

Community college located in Central Los Angeles (on UCLA's old campus), serving Central Los Angeles with liberal arts and trade instruction.

You don't have to be a professor to teach at that level.

Agreed. Seriously, I could teach at a community college and I would absolute #######. At least I wouldn't call a kid doing his assignment a fascist #######. Possibly a stupid idiot and fail him though hehe Told you I'd be bad.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Actually that is no more propagandist then anything other point of view. Each point of view is legit form of debate. He sounded like he was expressing his point of view and using what he thought was to him a valid point of reference. If it was a fair debate then someone else could come along and use a different point of view and reference material to refute him. As pointed out before the so called professor could have maybe himself refuted the student by pointing out his seeming errors.

The professor in this case dropped the ball big time. All points of view are valid and if one is propagandist then all sides are propagandist.

So if a student did a speech, praising Bin Laden and calling for the destruction of the United States, the professor should let him give his propaganda speech?

Yep. I have seen worse!

[luckytxn 2,265]

Actually that is no more propagandist then anything other point of view. Each point of view is legit form of debate. He sounded like he was expressing his point of view and using what he thought was to him a valid point of reference. If it was a fair debate then someone else could come along and use a different point of view and reference material to refute him. As pointed out before the so called professor could have maybe himself refuted the student by pointing out his seeming errors.

The professor in this case dropped the ball big time. All points of view are valid and if one is propagandist then all sides are propagandist.

So if a student did a speech, praising Bin Laden and calling for the destruction of the United States, the professor should let him give his propaganda speech?

If a teacher gave out an assignment about Bin Laden and asked for point and counterpoints then yes but I doubt any professor will. If he did so then both points would be propaganda and not just the pro Bin Laden points.

Now from what I read this debate came after the defeat of the same sex marriage amendment. They were debating both sides. Both sides are valid arguments and each could be called propaganda.

[Peikko 1,575]

Actually that is no more propagandist then anything other point of view. Each point of view is legit form of debate. He sounded like he was expressing his point of view and using what he thought was to him a valid point of reference. If it was a fair debate then someone else could come along and use a different point of view and reference material to refute him. As pointed out before the so called professor could have maybe himself refuted the student by pointing out his seeming errors.

The professor in this case dropped the ball big time. All points of view are valid and if one is propagandist then all sides are propagandist.

So if a student did a speech, praising Bin Laden and calling for the destruction of the United States, the professor should let him give his propaganda speech?

If that was a legitimate way to answer an assignment yes. However, again, what teacher is going to allow such a debate to descend into anarchy? Only one that shouldn't be teaching in the first place. You can debate a course of action that you don't adhere to, in fact it can be a very useful exercise. The skill is for the teacher to be able to present a variety of views in such a way as to be able to point out the weakness of certain points of view. Propaganda is normally quite easy to counter with logical reasoning.

Edited February 17, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Actually that is no more propagandist then anything other point of view. Each point of view is legit form of debate. He sounded like he was expressing his point of view and using what he thought was to him a valid point of reference. If it was a fair debate then someone else could come along and use a different point of view and reference material to refute him. As pointed out before the so called professor could have maybe himself refuted the student by pointing out his seeming errors.

The professor in this case dropped the ball big time. All points of view are valid and if one is propagandist then all sides are propagandist.

So if a student did a speech, praising Bin Laden and calling for the destruction of the United States, the professor should let him give his propaganda speech?

If a teacher gave out an assignment about Bin Laden and asked for point and counterpoints then yes but I doubt any professor will. If he did so then both points would be propaganda and not just the pro Bin Laden points.

Now from what I read this debate came after the defeat of the same sex marriage amendment. They were debating both sides. Both sides are valid arguments and each could be called propaganda.

Good point.

[Jasman0717 9]

Waaaaaah

[luckytxn 2,265]

Actually that is no more propagandist then anything other point of view. Each point of view is legit form of debate. He sounded like he was expressing his point of view and using what he thought was to him a valid point of reference. If it was a fair debate then someone else could come along and use a different point of view and reference material to refute him. As pointed out before the so called professor could have maybe himself refuted the student by pointing out his seeming errors.

The professor in this case dropped the ball big time. All points of view are valid and if one is propagandist then all sides are propagandist.

So if a student did a speech, praising Bin Laden and calling for the destruction of the United States, the professor should let him give his propaganda speech?

If that was a legitimate way to answer an assignment yes. However, again, what teacher is going to allow such a debate to descend into anarchy? Only one that shouldn't be teaching in the first place. You can debate a course of action that you don't adhere to, in fact it can be a very useful exercise. The skill is for the teacher to be able to present a variety of views in such a way as to be able to point out the weakness of certain points of view. Propaganda is normally quite easy to counter with logical reasoning.

It has been many years since I been to school but I took debate in high school. You were allowed in that class by the teacher if you could show skill beforehand. He was very good and our team even went on to state and won.

I did not take debate at Junior college but did take debate at University but we called it speech (I think). It was also a course that one had to be admitted to by the professor. We had to do papers on both sides of a issue he wrote on a piece of paper and handed to each that wanted to take the course. We had two days to turn it in. If he called us back then we had to have a short debate and he would say pro or con at times and we had to be able to switch right away when he said this. Later he accepted the ones he wanted. I did get lucky and get in.

Maybe it is just different at some schools and some schools have lower or better teachers.

Guess I should add we were allowed to use any reference and arguments but we had better be able to back up any claims. A couple of times I remember the bible being used as a point and it was considered valid to use but better be prepared for any rebuttals.

Edited February 17, 2009 by luckytxn

[luckytxn 2,265]

Apologize. We lost state but won city or regional.

[sj5 4]

Can anyone post a copy of the speech? I'll bet it's a doozy.

this should be interesting. so how about the prof calling him a fascist #######?

He searched "Marriage" meaning in the dictionary and read in classroom.

Edited February 17, 2009 by VJ's Opportunist

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It doesn't matter what his views are, so long as he can present them in a coherent, reasoned and respectful fashion in a debate. however, I think there can be problems if a student uses a debate to incite hatred. However, a skillful professor would presumably be able to handle that too.

Without seeing a transcript of the speech its hard to say for sure, but that is a problem with fringe views.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Actually that is no more propagandist then anything other point of view. Each point of view is legit form of debate. He sounded like he was expressing his point of view and using what he thought was to him a valid point of reference. If it was a fair debate then someone else could come along and use a different point of view and reference material to refute him. As pointed out before the so called professor could have maybe himself refuted the student by pointing out his seeming errors.

The professor in this case dropped the ball big time. All points of view are valid and if one is propagandist then all sides are propagandist.

So if a student did a speech, praising Bin Laden and calling for the destruction of the United States, the professor should let him give his propaganda speech?

If a teacher gave out an assignment about Bin Laden and asked for point and counterpoints then yes but I doubt any professor will. If he did so then both points would be propaganda and not just the pro Bin Laden points.

Now from what I read this debate came after the defeat of the same sex marriage amendment. They were debating both sides. Both sides are valid arguments and each could be called propaganda.

I don't think that's true tbh, though its politically correct to say so.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If it was a fair debate then someone else could come along and use a different point of view and reference material to refute him. As pointed out before the so called professor could have maybe himself refuted the student by pointing out his seeming errors.

I agree with that.

It is actually quite easy to debate extremists (esp. the religious ones) as their arguments often rely on dubious assumptions that aren't logically sound.

[tallcoolone 102]

The kid should have known better than to give his honest opinion in Commiefornia.

California - The Land of Fruits and Nuts............

[alienlovechild 75]

So if a student did a speech, praising Bin Laden and calling for the destruction of the United States, the professor should let him give his propaganda speech?

It's a speech class not a bomb making class so students should be allowed to make any speech and allowed to finish but I would allow other students to comment on the speech and its contents.

When I was in a high school speech class, my former hippie speech teacher allowed a student to talk about how great Hitler was.