Cheney: Waterboarding works (YouTube)

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Did he need medical attention for the burns?

AJ we didnt BURN him, we just warmed him up a bit. Scared the livin shite out of him though. We drug him through it and let him go immediately and he ran off rubbin is butt.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Oh! i thought you burned the guy.

[mawilson 2,133]

I think its a matter of defining what a satisfactory answer. In the same light I am sure I can get NYPD, CPD, and LAPD to get workable confessions out of any suspect.

Which is where Steven is going with his point of view. I am sure Steven could waterboard you into telling him anything he wanted to hear...

People will say anything to get out of torture, so the information they give you could,

of course, be false. It could also be true. Whatever they give you, you can work with.

However, if you do NOT torture them or make them uncomfortable in any way, you can

rest assured that they won't give you any information at all.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I think its a matter of defining what a satisfactory answer. In the same light I am sure I can get NYPD, CPD, and LAPD to get workable confessions out of any suspect.

Which is where Steven is going with his point of view. I am sure Steven could waterboard you into telling him anything he wanted to hear...

People will say anything to get out of torture, so the information they give you could,

of course, be false. It could also be true. Whatever they give you, you can work with.

However, if you do NOT torture them or make them uncomfortable in any way, you can

rest assured that they won't give you any information at all.

You could torture them without inflicting any pain.

We could play an audio loop of Fran Drescher's laugh, for example.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

he might of got a little pink ####### from it but thats about it. He didnt stick around,he was pretty freaked out.

[웃 910]

The simple solution is to hook the person up to a lie detector machine while water boarding them.

that sounds like a winner of an idea.

That is hilarious!!!!!

But there is no disputing that the problem is solved if you hook the suspected terrorist to a lie detector machine after they give up the information and are all dried off!

[HAL 9000 96]

I think its a matter of defining what a satisfactory answer. In the same light I am sure I can get NYPD, CPD, and LAPD to get workable confessions out of any suspect.

Which is where Steven is going with his point of view. I am sure Steven could waterboard you into telling him anything he wanted to hear...

People will say anything to get out of torture, so the information they give you could,

of course, be false. It could also be true. Whatever they give you, you can work with.

However, if you do NOT torture them or make them uncomfortable in any way, you can

rest assured that they won't give you any information at all.

You could torture them without inflicting any pain.

We could play an audio loop of Fran Drescher's laugh, for example.

Or make them have a 1:1 with Marc.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

If you give me false info. I will be back and you will get it three times as bad. Prob. solved.

[mawilson 2,133]

You could torture them without inflicting any pain.

We could play an audio loop of Fran Drescher's laugh, for example.

That would be illegal if you go by the US Army Field Manual.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I think its a matter of defining what a satisfactory answer. In the same light I am sure I can get NYPD, CPD, and LAPD to get workable confessions out of any suspect.

Which is where Steven is going with his point of view. I am sure Steven could waterboard you into telling him anything he wanted to hear...

People will say anything to get out of torture, so the information they give you could,

of course, be false. It could also be true. Whatever they give you, you can work with.

However, if you do NOT torture them or make them uncomfortable in any way, you can

rest assured that they won't give you any information at all.

You could torture them without inflicting any pain.

We could play an audio loop of Fran Drescher's laugh, for example.

Or make them have a 1:1 with Marc.

Hec yeah! I could bring Fran to her knees!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Danno, it shouldn't be that hard to find an expert interrogator with years of experience to state whether coercion is an effective means to get reliable information. Try Googling it.

Dude, if you don't torture them, they're not gonna tell you jack.

Come on.... it's like 2+2=4, common sense.

They might tell you stuff even if they think you're going to torture them. If they

know you can't torture them, they'll just laugh in your face. I know I would.

The information you get is unreliable - again show me expert interrogation opinion that says otherwise. The Bush Administration was looking to beat confessions out of the enemy combatants, which although may sound radical for Americans to do, it has been common practice among more notorious countries.

This whole idea that there is some secret information that is distributed widely that we can simply pluck from the enemy is absurd and is a ruse. The Bush Administration knows it and everyone who's inside the intelligence community knows it.

[mawilson 2,133]

The information you get is unreliable

Unreliable information is better than no information.

If it doesn't pan out, you've lost nothing.

[mawilson 2,133]

This whole idea that there is some secret information that is distributed widely that we can simply pluck from the enemy is absurd and is a ruse. The Bush Administration knows it and everyone who's inside the intelligence community knows it.

Terrorists don't act alone. They work in cells or organizations, which have leaders,

people that plan attacks, people that engineer explosives, people that raise funding.

They live somewhere and have the support of those around them.

It's absurd to think that a terrorist - ANY terrorist - has no useful information.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i do think its funny that anyone here really has much of an idea of whether these techniques are effective or not.

Of course the administration wants to justify what its been doing for the last 8 years - they don't want to be in the frame for indictable offenses. Like how the attorney generals in UK and US could make the Iraq war legal via domestic law when under the accepted code of international law it clearly wasn't.

Edited December 19, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Did he need medical attention for the burns?

AJ we didnt BURN him, we just warmed him up a bit. Scared the livin shite out of him though. We drug him through it and let him go immediately and he ran off rubbin is butt.

But you didn't pitch the line cutter in the pharmacy through a plate glass window