Cheney: Waterboarding works (YouTube)

[HAL 9000 96]

Well at least if you administer a lie detector test while waterboarding the zombies wanting brains from those true stories you could 'kill' them.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I'm still waiting for you or anyone to post a respected interrogation expert who claims that coercion techniques do in fact provide reliable information.

Are you saying Brian Ross is lying about the success reported directly to him by the CIA?

Danno, it shouldn't be that hard to find an expert interrogator with years of experience to state whether coercion is an effective means to get reliable information. Try Googling it.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

....in the meantime, Danno - you simply can't ignore this:

Here's a write-up of yesterday's Senate Armed Services Committee hearing. Air Force Col. Steven Kleinman, an interrogation expert, testified that he witnessed illegal treatment of Iraqi detainees. Kleinman and 14 other expert interrogators issued a statement in June declaring torture ineffective in intelligence gathering. The group agreed to the following 5 principles:

We believe:

1. Non-coercive, traditional, rapport-based interviewing approaches provide the best possibility for obtaining accurate and complete intelligence.

2. Torture and other inhumane and abusive interview techniques are unlawful, ineffective and counterproductive. We reject them

unconditionally.

3. The use of torture and other inhumane and abusive treatment results in false and misleading information, loss of critical intelligence, and has caused serious damage to the reputation and standing of the United States. The use of such techniques also facilitates enemy recruitment, misdirects or wastes scarce resources, and deprives the United States of the standing to demand humane treatment of captured Americans.

4. There must be a single well-defined standard of conduct across all U.S. agencies to govern the detention and interrogation of people anywhere in U.S. custody, consistent with our values as a nation.

5. There is no conflict between adhering to our nation's essential values, including respect for inherent human dignity, and our ability to obtain the information we need to protect the nation.

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/tortu...fies-about.html

Edited December 18, 2008 by Mister Fancypants

[mawilson 2,133]

Danno, it shouldn't be that hard to find an expert interrogator with years of experience to state whether coercion is an effective means to get reliable information. Try Googling it.

Dude, if you don't torture them, they're not gonna tell you jack.

Come on.... it's like 2+2=4, common sense.

They might tell you stuff even if they think you're going to torture them. If they

know you can't torture them, they'll just laugh in your face. I know I would.

[HAL 9000 96]

That's it... Air Force interrogation expert?? AIR FORCE??????

Not good enough, Steven.

[mawilson 2,133]

That's it... Air Force interrogation expert?? AIR FORCE??????

Whatever. For each "expert" who says torture doesn't work, there are 20 who say it does.

[HAL 9000 96]

I think its a matter of defining what a satisfactory answer. In the same light I am sure I can get NYPD, CPD, and LAPD to get workable confessions out of any suspect.

Which is where Steven is going with his point of view. I am sure Steven could waterboard you into telling him anything he wanted to hear...

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

It does work! if I were to rip off anyones fingernails theyd be telling me what I wanna know, like yesterday! we did it at a party to a guy for not payin his cover. We didnt rip off his fingernails but we drug him through the camp fire.

I think its a matter of defining what a satisfactory answer. In the same light I am sure I can get NYPD, CPD, and LAPD to get workable confessions out of any suspect.

Which is where Steven is going with his point of view. I am sure Steven could waterboard you into telling him anything he wanted to hear...

Steven would never do that, but he would pick a daisy and start sayin I love you! I love you not!

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You set him on fire?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

You set him on fire?

No we just grabbed him by the ankles and drug him through the fire. Burned his ####### a little and ruined his levis. He was fricken screamin like a banshee though.

Edited December 18, 2008 by ={Rogue}=

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How much was the cover?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

How much was the cover?

Geez that was in the late seventies I think 2 or 3 dollars. It was an outside deal out in the woods. We would set up the band and rock-out all night with mass kegs of beer.

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Did he need medical attention for the burns?

[HAL 9000 96]

It does work! if I were to rip off anyones fingernails theyd be telling me what I wanna know, like yesterday! we did it at a party to a guy for not payin his cover. We didnt rip off his fingernails but we drug him through the camp fire.

I think its a matter of defining what a satisfactory answer. In the same light I am sure I can get NYPD, CPD, and LAPD to get workable confessions out of any suspect.

Which is where Steven is going with his point of view. I am sure Steven could waterboard you into telling him anything he wanted to hear...

Steven would never do that, but he would pick a daisy and start sayin I love you! I love you not!

But you don't know Steven. Perhaps you'd be our first 'target.'

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Steven would happily waterboard you, Marc - if it meant global warming would stop or everybody would suddenly start eating locally produced organic food!