UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

[Peikko 1,575]

Just things people say in the defense of human activity - how arrogant of man to think he can alter god's creation. How stupid to believe that man, the steward of god's creation can actually alter it so badly that it might become uninhabitable for man. That is blind belief my friends, right there.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I guess we shouldn't break out the nukes next time we have a war - after all, nuclear winter is "theoretical"

[HAL 9000 96]

Ditto on that, PD. Great example of a short term environmental reaction to artificial selection on the environment.

[alienlovechild 75]

There are DEAD SPOTS in the oceans. This can in no way be seen to be a natural phenomena or a good thing.

Of course there are. Just as some places have a lot more sealife than others. A lot of the deep ocean is fairly desolate compared to continental shelfs.

Desolate areas are not dead spots. Amazingly, there is a myriad of single cell organisms etc in the 'deep ocean's' they are not lifeless like the moon. The man made 'dead spots' are just that, and are in general on the surface of the oceans. However, head in sand - jam as you wish Alien.

Never claimed the deep ocean was lifeless but I did clear stately that shallower waters held more biodiversity than the open sea.

"The largest ecosystems in the major ocean basins are subtropical gyres, large-scale regions of winds and currents with low chlorophyll for plant and animal growth. These areas cover 40 percent of Earth's surface and in nine years have expanded 10 to 25 times faster than global-warming models predict, the scientists said."

Obviously, there was a huge amount of ocean with a lot less life before the expansion of these "deserts" but my guess is you haven't looked at a globe lately, if ever.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/2...ws/story02.html

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There are DEAD SPOTS in the oceans. This can in no way be seen to be a natural phenomena or a good thing.

Of course there are. Just as some places have a lot more sealife than others. A lot of the deep ocean is fairly desolate compared to continental shelfs.

Desolate areas are not dead spots. Amazingly, there is a myriad of single cell organisms etc in the 'deep ocean's' they are not lifeless like the moon. The man made 'dead spots' are just that, and are in general on the surface of the oceans. However, head in sand - jam as you wish Alien.

Never claimed the deep ocean was lifeless but I did clear stately that shallower waters held more biodiversity than the open sea.

"The largest ecosystems in the major ocean basins are subtropical gyres, large-scale regions of winds and currents with low chlorophyll for plant and animal growth. These areas cover 40 percent of Earth's surface and in nine years have expanded 10 to 25 times faster than global-warming models predict, the scientists said."

Obviously, there was a huge amount of ocean with a lot less life before the expansion of these "deserts" but my guess is you haven't looked at a globe lately, if ever.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/2...ws/story02.html

So what point were you making then?

[Peikko 1,575]

There are DEAD SPOTS in the oceans. This can in no way be seen to be a natural phenomena or a good thing.

Of course there are. Just as some places have a lot more sealife than others. A lot of the deep ocean is fairly desolate compared to continental shelfs.

Desolate areas are not dead spots. Amazingly, there is a myriad of single cell organisms etc in the 'deep ocean's' they are not lifeless like the moon. The man made 'dead spots' are just that, and are in general on the surface of the oceans. However, head in sand - jam as you wish Alien.

Never claimed the deep ocean was lifeless but I did clear stately that shallower waters held more biodiversity than the open sea.

"The largest ecosystems in the major ocean basins are subtropical gyres, large-scale regions of winds and currents with low chlorophyll for plant and animal growth. These areas cover 40 percent of Earth's surface and in nine years have expanded 10 to 25 times faster than global-warming models predict, the scientists said."

Obviously, there was a huge amount of ocean with a lot less life before the expansion of these "deserts" but my guess is you haven't looked at a globe lately, if ever.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/2...ws/story02.html

Your guesses are like everything else about you, simply wrong.

[HAL 9000 96]

Yet another moment for a Descartes quote:

"In order to improve the mind, we ought less to learn, than to contemplate."

So... I wonder what chlorophyll is. Hmmm. Its a molecule. That exists inside chloroplasts. Chloroplasts are what? Pancake-shaped cellular organelles that reside inside photosynthetic cells. Cells that thrive in warmer climates- including the algae that float on oceans and on corals. So, as it gets warmer in the water, more varieties of photosynthesizing biomass can occupy said niches. UNTIL, that is... its too warm and that same biomass crashes.

[Peikko 1,575]

Yet another moment for a Descartes quote:

"In order to improve the mind, we ought less to learn, than to contemplate."

So... I wonder what chlorophyll is. Hmmm. Its a molecule. That exists inside chloroplasts. Chloroplasts are what? Pancake-shaped cellular organelles that reside inside photosynthetic cells. Cells that thrive in warmer climates- including the algae that float on oceans and on corals. So, as it gets warmer in the water, more varieties of photosynthesizing biomass can occupy said niches. UNTIL, that is... its too warm and that same biomass crashes.

Why do that when one can grasp some minutiae that to the superficial mind appears to 'prove ones point' and scurry headlong back into the sandpit?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Did anyone click on the link? I'm not sure how or why it was allowed to be posted on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, but it is from The Inofe Press Blog.

The poster is Marc Morano.

Marc Morano is communications director for the Republicans on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committee under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the committee until January 2007 and is now minority ranking member. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog on the committee's website that largely promotes the views of climate change skeptics.

Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (owned by the conservative Media Research Center). CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.

Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,' as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator, the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine." [2]

.....

Before leaving CNS, Morano wrote an article featuring attacks on NASA global warming scientist James E. Hansen by George C. Deutsch, a former NASA press aide accused of censoring Hansen. ^[3]

Morano was hired in Spring 2006 as the Director of Communications to US Senator James Inhofe (R-OK). Senator Inhofe is a member and the former Chair of the Senate Committee for the Environment and Public Works, and has compared Tom Brokaw's climate change documentary to the "Big Lie," a Third Reich propaganda technique. Inhofe also claimed that "if we were to embrace the Kyoto treaty [on climate change], it would shut down agriculture, military and oil production in Oklahoma..." ^[4]

Many believe that is it Morano who has been behind Inhofe's latest attacks on the science of climate change ^[5], and this was confirmed by an appearance of Morano at the 2006 Society of Environmental Journalists, where Morano was on a climate change panel with Andrew Revkin (New York Times) and Bill Blakemore (ABC News). ^[6]

An August 2007 entry by Morano on Inhofe's EPW Committee blog claimed that "proponents of man-made global warming have been funded to the tune of $50 BILLION in the last decade or so, but the Magazine chose instead to focus on how skeptics have reportedly received a paltry $19 MILLION from ExxonMobil over the last two decades."^[7] Morano offered no documentation to support the "$50 BILLION" claim, and cited only one figure to support the "$19 MILLION" claim -- a statement that "skeptics have reportedly received a paltry $19 MILLION from ExxonMobil over the last two decades," falsely suggesting that ExxonMobil was the only source of funding for global warming "skeptics."^[8]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano

[HAL 9000 96]

Yet another moment for a Descartes quote:

"In order to improve the mind, we ought less to learn, than to contemplate."

So... I wonder what chlorophyll is. Hmmm. Its a molecule. That exists inside chloroplasts. Chloroplasts are what? Pancake-shaped cellular organelles that reside inside photosynthetic cells. Cells that thrive in warmer climates- including the algae that float on oceans and on corals. So, as it gets warmer in the water, more varieties of photosynthesizing biomass can occupy said niches. UNTIL, that is... its too warm and that same biomass crashes.

Why do that when one can grasp some minutiae that to the superficial mind appears to 'prove ones point' and scurry headlong back into the sandpit?

Touché... sister... but there is always hope for humanity even though, indeed, what some know can be sadly misinformed by the ill intentions and stupidity of others.

Did anyone click on the link? I'm not sure how or why it was allowed to be posted on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, but it is from The Inofe Press Blog.

The poster is Marc Morano.

Marc Morano is communications director for the Republicans on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committee under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the committee until January 2007 and is now minority ranking member. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog on the committee's website that largely promotes the views of climate change skeptics.

Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (owned by the conservative Media Research Center). CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.

Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,' as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator, the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine." [2]

.....

Before leaving CNS, Morano wrote an article featuring attacks on NASA global warming scientist James E. Hansen by George C. Deutsch, a former NASA press aide accused of censoring Hansen. ^[3]

Morano was hired in Spring 2006 as the Director of Communications to US Senator James Inhofe (R-OK). Senator Inhofe is a member and the former Chair of the Senate Committee for the Environment and Public Works, and has compared Tom Brokaw's climate change documentary to the "Big Lie," a Third Reich propaganda technique. Inhofe also claimed that "if we were to embrace the Kyoto treaty [on climate change], it would shut down agriculture, military and oil production in Oklahoma..." ^[4]

Many believe that is it Morano who has been behind Inhofe's latest attacks on the science of climate change ^[5], and this was confirmed by an appearance of Morano at the 2006 Society of Environmental Journalists, where Morano was on a climate change panel with Andrew Revkin (New York Times) and Bill Blakemore (ABC News). ^[6]

An August 2007 entry by Morano on Inhofe's EPW Committee blog claimed that "proponents of man-made global warming have been funded to the tune of $50 BILLION in the last decade or so, but the Magazine chose instead to focus on how skeptics have reportedly received a paltry $19 MILLION from ExxonMobil over the last two decades."^[7] Morano offered no documentation to support the "$50 BILLION" claim, and cited only one figure to support the "$19 MILLION" claim -- a statement that "skeptics have reportedly received a paltry $19 MILLION from ExxonMobil over the last two decades," falsely suggesting that ExxonMobil was the only source of funding for global warming "skeptics."^[8]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano

Oh I've known about Mr Crusader for a while now.

[alienlovechild 75]

There are DEAD SPOTS in the oceans. This can in no way be seen to be a natural phenomena or a good thing.

Of course there are. Just as some places have a lot more sealife than others. A lot of the deep ocean is fairly desolate compared to continental shelfs.

Desolate areas are not dead spots. Amazingly, there is a myriad of single cell organisms etc in the 'deep ocean's' they are not lifeless like the moon. The man made 'dead spots' are just that, and are in general on the surface of the oceans. However, head in sand - jam as you wish Alien.

Never claimed the deep ocean was lifeless but I did clear stately that shallower waters held more biodiversity than the open sea.

"The largest ecosystems in the major ocean basins are subtropical gyres, large-scale regions of winds and currents with low chlorophyll for plant and animal growth. These areas cover 40 percent of Earth's surface and in nine years have expanded 10 to 25 times faster than global-warming models predict, the scientists said."

Obviously, there was a huge amount of ocean with a lot less life before the expansion of these "deserts" but my guess is you haven't looked at a globe lately, if ever.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/2...ws/story02.html

So what point were you making then?

The point was that a lack of biodiversity in most of the deep oceans is the norm for 40% of the Earth's surface BEFORE global warming.

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh, and look that point is IRRELEVANT!!!!

[HAL 9000 96]

There are DEAD SPOTS in the oceans. This can in no way be seen to be a natural phenomena or a good thing.

Of course there are. Just as some places have a lot more sealife than others. A lot of the deep ocean is fairly desolate compared to continental shelfs.

Desolate areas are not dead spots. Amazingly, there is a myriad of single cell organisms etc in the 'deep ocean's' they are not lifeless like the moon. The man made 'dead spots' are just that, and are in general on the surface of the oceans. However, head in sand - jam as you wish Alien.

Never claimed the deep ocean was lifeless but I did clear stately that shallower waters held more biodiversity than the open sea.

"The largest ecosystems in the major ocean basins are subtropical gyres, large-scale regions of winds and currents with low chlorophyll for plant and animal growth. These areas cover 40 percent of Earth's surface and in nine years have expanded 10 to 25 times faster than global-warming models predict, the scientists said."

Obviously, there was a huge amount of ocean with a lot less life before the expansion of these "deserts" but my guess is you haven't looked at a globe lately, if ever.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/02/2...ws/story02.html

So what point were you making then?

The point was that a lack of biodiversity in most of the deep oceans is the norm for 40% of the Earth's surface BEFORE global warming.

Deep oceans = depth. Less photosynthetic biomass. AS for shallow zones, there tends to be less biomass much in the same way you see less land animals grazing in the middle of an open field. This is because of the existence of something most of us learned in grade school: the food chain. Or late grade school/early middle school: nutrient cycles.

And what measures of global warming are we referring to- since some folks refute it altogether?

[SpiritAlight 1]

Hello, hello?!

Is this thing on?

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check check

testing one two...

Please go back and read my post about the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico from Mississippi's run-off...oh and while you are all at it, read about the large country-size pile of garbage (plastic) floating in the Pacific. Not man-made? Me thinks....

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Oh, the arrogance ignorance of humans...

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