Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act

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Put a couple of oil wells in those regions. Then Uncle Sam will notice.

Warning! this will be perceived as a tangent..

This sort of left wing attitude is not helping America's reputation abroad. While people like yourself and Michael Moore may think you are sticking it to GWB, you are actually ruining America's reputation.

I noticed the other day, when you look at the movies of the 80's and 90's it was all about getting the bad guys. The south American drug dealers or the terrorists. Whereas when you look the today's films, they are all about how corrupt the US government supposedly is. How there is always someone fighting the corruption of the big bad US federal government and their agencies. What image do liberal Americans, the majority of clownywood, think this is painting for Americans abroad. Not a good one that is for sure. Yeah sure they are movies but the constant flow on negativity paints a picture for those abroad. I just saw a recent study which showed that a good majority of young Australians, for example, do not trust the US government.

Duly noted as a tangent.

Funny thing is... reputations stem from actions. And actions require people to carry them out. Perhaps that answers in yet another way the kind of view you have of reality... that somehow, people that are not in a disposition to carry out actions, in some strange yet very real way (to you), are creating the negative reputation that the rest of us around here notice to be quite in the realm of the policies instituted by the current government of the US, spearheaded by its Commander in Chief.

Now if you want to make an anthro-sociological study of the film industry, you can also include those same cause and effect type scenarios in each particular society at each particular timeframe that somehow influence the kind of entertainment that is produced for mass consumption.

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And not approved by the UN.

What did the UN do with regards to the many violations by Saddam? Zilch. The UN is good in theory but in reality has no power to do anything when #### hits the fan. IE EG The various wars and genocide being carried out in Africa at this very moment.

*sorry for this because i know this is completely off topic*

While I agree the UN is pretty much useless, there is still protocol every one has to follow. You have to follow it at work every day, as do I, and so should the government, nations of the world, etc.

[Peikko 1,575]

The UN is only as 'useless' as it's allowed to be by all the participating countries. If for example the only currently recognized superpower decides that it doesn't need the UN and will act unilaterally then it's a forgone conclusion that this will serve to undermine the legitimacy of the UN. Oh yes, Iraq played its games with the UN under Sadam, we all know that but what was Iraq? A large, heavily mililtarized nation that had the ability to start a large scale war or some tin pot dictatorship (of which there are any number yet today). Bearing in mind why the UN was created in the first place, one has to wonder if any lessons have been learned from previous wars. Current evidence is not much.

I know some have bought lock stock and barrell into the fear game, the first strke or we are ###### rhetoric but that doesn't make their point of view any more real or any more credible. The only way to really know what's going on globablly is to chase the money, which companies are gaining out of these conflicts. The ideological war is only on one side of the fence.

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The UN is only as 'useless' as it's allowed to be by all the participating countries. If for example the only currently recognized superpower decides that it doesn't need the UN and will act unilaterally then it's a forgone conclusion that this will serve to undermine the legitimacy of the UN. Oh yes, Iraq played its games with the UN under Sadam, we all know that but what was Iraq? A large, heavily mililtarized nation that had the ability to start a large scale war or some tin pot dictatorship (of which there are any number yet today). Bearing in mind why the UN was created in the first place, one has to wonder if any lessons have been learned from previous wars. Current evidence is not much.

I know some have bought lock stock and barrell into the fear game, the first strke or we are ###### rhetoric but that doesn't make their point of view any more real or any more credible. The only way to really know what's going on globablly is to chase the money, which companies are gaining out of these conflicts. The ideological war is only on one side of the fence.

Yep.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Put a couple of oil wells in those regions. Then Uncle Sam will notice.

Warning! this will be perceived as a tangent..

This sort of left wing attitude is not helping America's reputation abroad. While people like yourself and Michael Moore may think you are sticking it to GWB, you are actually ruining America's reputation.

I noticed the other day, when you look at the movies of the 80's and 90's it was all about getting the bad guys. The south American drug dealers or the terrorists. Whereas when you look the today's films, they are all about how corrupt the US government supposedly is. How there is always someone fighting the corruption of the big bad US federal government and their agencies. What image do liberal Americans, the majority of clownywood, think this is painting for Americans abroad. Not a good one that is for sure. Yeah sure they are movies but the constant flow of negativity paints a picture for those abroad. I just saw a recent study which showed that a good majority of young Australians, for example, do not trust the US government.

So in other words - you preferred it when movies made it clear who the bad guy was by making him either wear a black hat, a nazi uniform, or have a European accent.

I guess Clint Eastwood should never have made those "Dollars" movies with Sergio Leone.

Incidentally there were plenty of movies during the 1970's after the Watergate scandal broke that dealt with issues of government corruption (All the President's Men, Capricorn 1, The Parallax View).

Hell even the cops 'n robbers movies of that time were making films that poked fun at the establishment and the traditional idea of the "cop" as a good guy - Dirty Harry, The French Connection 1 & 2, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon?

Even back in 1969 you had films like Get Carter - where the "hero" was a gangster.

Edited September 18, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[IAMX 3,055]

Put a couple of oil wells in those regions. Then Uncle Sam will notice.

Warning! this will be perceived as a tangent..

This sort of left wing attitude is not helping America's reputation abroad. While people like yourself and Michael Moore may think you are sticking it to GWB, you are actually ruining America's reputation.

I noticed the other day, when you look at the movies of the 80's and 90's it was all about getting the bad guys. The south American drug dealers or the terrorists. Whereas when you look the today's films, they are all about how corrupt the US government supposedly is. How there is always someone fighting the corruption of the big bad US federal government and their agencies. What image do liberal Americans, the majority of clownywood, think this is painting for Americans abroad. Not a good one that is for sure. Yeah sure they are movies but the constant flow of negativity paints a picture for those abroad. I just saw a recent study which showed that a good majority of young Australians, for example, do not trust the US government.

So in other words - you preferred it when movies made it clear who the bad guy was by making him either wear a black hat, a nazi uniform, or have a European accent.

I guess Clint Eastwood should never have made those "Dollars" movies with Sergio Leone.

Incidentally there were plenty of movies during the 1970's after the Watergate scandal broke that dealt with issues of government corruption (All the President's Men, Capricorn 1, The Parallax View).

Hell even the cops 'n robbers movies of that time were making films that poked fun at the establishment and the traditional idea of the "cop" as a good guy - Dirty Harry, The French Connection 1 & 2, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon?

Even back in 1969 you had films like Get Carter - where the "hero" was a gangster.

I think what he's saying is your own government should never be the bad guy. They should always be the good guy.

Though, I would like to see a vote on how many Americans care about what young Australians think.

Edited September 18, 2008 by SRVT

[HAL 9000 96]

Well the 80s did give us Paul Hogan.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Anyone who serious draws an opinion about this country from fictional movies - has issues (not to mention being extremely ignorant).

Anyone who is concerned about other people judging this country on the basis of movies clearly has their priorities all screwed up.

Edited September 18, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[IAMX 3,055]

Anyone who serious draws an opinion about this country from fictional movies - has issues (not to mention being extremely ignorant).

Anyone who is concerned about other people judging this country on the basis of movies clearly has their priorities all screwed up.

Australians also censor movies, so, er, yeah..

Apparently they take Hollywood seriously.

Edit: Actually, in one argument some time ago, Aficionado declared how evil Hollywood is in justifying censoring movies, because it's basically American garbage.

So I'll reiterate my last post in take a poll/vote as in how many Americans care what young Australians think.

Edited September 18, 2008 by SRVT

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Anyone who serious draws an opinion about this country from fictional movies - has issues (not to mention being extremely ignorant).

Anyone who is concerned about other people judging this country on the basis of movies clearly has their priorities all screwed up.

Australians also censor movies, so, er, yeah..

Apparently they take Hollywood seriously.

Edit: Actually, in one argument some time ago, Aficionado declared how evil Hollywood is in justifying censoring movies, because it's basically American garbage.

So I'll reiterate my last post in take a poll/vote as in how many Americans care what young Australians think.

Or how many Americans actually care about ignorant people in other countries who draw their opinion exclusively from movies.

I can't take anyone seriously who is unable to distinguish fact from fiction. Next thing we'll be hearing about how all books must be burned that poke fun at the national image. I'm guessing Kurt Vonnegut would be top of the pile

[Peikko 1,575]

Ah, facism at its best - more Goebbels please.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ah, facism at its best - more Goebbels please.

It certainly goes to show how a supposedly intelligent person can end up supporting evil ideas.

[IAMX 3,055]

Ah, facism at its best - more Goebbels please.

It certainly goes to show how a supposedly intelligent person can end up supporting evil ideas.

Remember, before I quote him, liberals have no logic..

American liberals have a knack at looking at issues through emotion rather than logic.

Now, here's his actual, "logical" post:

What reason for Australia, since you're Australian?

It's a very simple question, really.

Protecting the society from ####### that Crappywood produces. Ensuring we keep both violence and crime to a minimum. These are just simplified responses off the top of my head.

The results of such measures speak for themselves. What is the homicide rate in California alone. What is the homicide rate for the entire nation of Australia..

So logic says video games and movies are to blame for our homicide rates, and banning a few of them (which by no means actually addresses the millions of other violent movies/games) protects Australia from the evils of Crappywood.

Edited September 18, 2008 by SRVT

[Peikko 1,575]

Do the Australians ban movies? I know they classify them of course, but ban them? Which notable films have been banned in Australia, that otherwise would have led to an increase in homicde had they been put on general release in Australian Cinemas?

Mind you, if they banned films with Tom Cruise in them, I'm not complaining

Edited September 18, 2008 by Madame Cleo

[IAMX 3,055]

Do the Australians ban movies? I know they classify them of course, but ban them? Which notable films have been banned in Australia, that otherwise would have led to mass murder had they been put on general release in Australian Cinemas?

Don't forget video games. They're just as evil as Crappywood.. er, EA, I mean Rockstar, I mean ID Software, I mean Epic Games.. ah hell. They're all evil violent spreading #######.

Edited September 18, 2008 by SRVT