Oh, it's this again.....

[Nessa 23]

illegal immigration debates on VJ are always the same. The are people that are sympathetic, and sane people that condone it.

[Heracles 417]

You?

More than you DH.. All your posts are empty rhetoric. From blaming slavery, to the white man.

[Niels Bohr 72]

illegal immigration debates on VJ are always the same. The are people that are sympathetic, and sane people that condone it.

LOL. Sympathetic = Insane. J/K. I know what you meant.

[HAL 9000 96]

Besides, if its a problem for us in terms of protecting our borders, then it IS our problem. Not to mention our benefit from the present day relationship we carry with those friend nations, and the greater benefit we'd enjoy as a region in being able to TRULY have free trade zones that benefit all member nations. Want progressive, forward-moving economics? Invest then.

Invest where, in Mexico? You are joking right. PH is is another one with these crazy ideas. Ideas which confuse legal and illegal immigration. The US's economy is being hit hard. This is the time when people should be saying time to go back home. Not debating how to give them amnesty again; considering it worked so well last time.

You have a nice office / lab job which is protected because you know that an illegal immigrant will never take it. What about everyone else in America who does not have a degree? What about the 45,000,000 Americans living in poverty? What about the African Americans living in ghettos without jobs? Shouldn't they also have an opportunity to progress. What about all of the illegal immigrants being exploited for a few dollars yet being made to work long hours without any healthcare, retirement fund, safety standards to work under etc..

You guys are not the first nor the only country to face illegal immigration. The only difference, a huge difference, between the US and everyone else is that they actually enforce the laws on all levels. Whereas cities like San Fransisco not only turn a blind eye but actually slap other Americans in the face by openly welcoming illegal immigrants to their city.

Nicely put but somehow I think you missed the entire point of having a strong, modern, way of self defending by putting in our grain of sand in a real and progressive offense.

[Heracles 417]

Nah. America has always been greedy. We always want to be right. One wrong turns to a law suit all the time. Car accidents, hitting someone, personal injury, etc...We've always been greedy like that.

Which country isn't. A lot of the social problems here stem from the prehistoric laws / legal system. You cannot sue for 95% of the ####### you are allowed to sue for here, under the English law.

Edited May 2, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[cesar 0]

I think the question on whether or not the economic recession or slowdown is caused primarily by illegal immigration is a fair question in this debate.

IMO it is not.

Not primarily, no.

And to Boo-Yah.... try looking at things from a closer perspective. If things were so easy to solve, there wouldn't be an illegal immigration issue. We're dealing with individual cases. People's families are at stake, and lives too.

Also, in my humble opinion, a lot of the poverty here in the U.S. is due to the fact that there are a lot of lazy people not willing to go out and find a job. Where I come from, if you're poor and you need to provide for your family, you work wherever you can because you get little to no help from the government.

I don't know, I could be wrong.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You?

More than you DH.. All your posts are empty rhetoric. From blaming slavery, to the white man.

I see. I really think you could use those books on reading comprehension.

As I've explicitly told you on many occasions - I don't "blame" slavery or the white man. For anything.

In any case - if you really want to talk about empty rhetoric we should perhaps discuss all these posts of yours in which you blame liberals, and post-60's hippy attitudes for virtually any social problem you can think of. If that's not grasping at straws - perhaps you can tell me what is...

[Niels Bohr 72]

Nah. America has always been greedy. We always want to be right. One wrong turns to a law suit all the time. Car accidents, hitting someone, personal injury, etc...We've always been greedy like that.

Which country isn't. A lot of the social problems here stem from the prehistoric laws / legal system. You cannot sue for 95% of the ####### you are allowed to sue for here, under the English law.

There are lots of countries. Let me name a few. Cambodia, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Tibet, Cuba, and many more. Sure, you can sue, that is, if you can show up to court (if you know what I meant). Hehehe.

Edited May 2, 2008 by consolemaster

[HAL 9000 96]

I just had a "crazy idea" on how to deal with the illegal immigration problem. Here it is:

1. Since it seems a large number of illegal aliens come to the U.S. with the idea of having children here ("anchor babies"), I think we should repeal the law stating that any child born within the U.S. is automatically an American citizen. Yes, that might make it more difficult for some families who aren't illegal, but in the end, I'm sure this would decrease some of the overall incentive for foreign-born individuals to come here illegally and have children.

2. If an illegal alien is caught in the U.S. and wishes to remain (i.e. he or she doesn't want to get deported back to their home country), then they are automatically signed up for a tour of duty in the military and shipped off to Iraq. Provided they survive and they remained in "good standing" with their commanding officer, they will be given their green card upon returning to the United States. I figure if an illegal wants to be in the U.S. bad enough -- and they refuse to go through the arduous immigration process we all have to suffer through -- then fighting in our military (instead of an American citizen) would be a good way for them to earn their green card. None of this would be forced on them, however. They would always have the options of declining military service and being deported home.

#1 is crazy. It targets way more than illegals and is a backwards method of proving legal heritage.

As for #2 its something I've mentioned before that COULD work. Military service or national service, depending on the placement of the illegal. Could work if done correctly. It can prove that the illegal cares for more than just an illegal paycheck and can actually turn the future citizen into quite a law abiding, disciplined, and eventually educated person. Plus it plugs major gaps in recruiting deficits.

[Nessa 23]

every time someone post an article about illegal immigration on Vj, the first few posters, maybe half the first page actually talk about that specific article.

Then people start repeating themselves. I think every time there's a thread like this, there should be a 1 page post limit and then someone post a link to another thread that people already talked about the same thing so they don't need to repeat themselves for another dozen of pages, if not more, so it'll save us time to read it all over again.

[Heracles 417]

And to Boo-Yah.... try looking at things from a closer perspective. If things were so easy to solve, there wouldn't be an illegal immigration issue. We're dealing with individual cases. People's families are at stake, and lives too.

Also, in my humble opinion, a lot of the poverty here in the U.S. is due to the fact that there are a lot of lazy people not willing to go out and find a job. Where I come from, if you're poor and you need to provide for your family, you work wherever you can because you get little to no help from the government.

Look at Japan. They hardly socialize anything yet are one of the best economies in the world. But I agree with you. I see some who are poor here and think to myself my God can you imagine they had Australia's welfare system where you basically get over $800 a month in payments and not just food stamps. Forgetaboutit. Many would never work.

But I don't blame illegal immigrants. They come here and work hard. I will vouch for that. I blame the federal government for failing the American people. For failing to modernize their 30 year old immigration system. I think we all know many people who have next to no chance of migrating here because the don't have a degree or a job lined up. A requirement for most work visas. This is actually one of the dumbest immigration rules I have ever come across in the developed world.

[HAL 9000 96]

So nothing important was said throughout this thread... as always.

Diana

Read back Diana, there are logical thoughts that got hijacked unfortunately.

[Niels Bohr 72]

There are lots of countries. Let me name a few. Cambodia, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Tibet, Cuba, and many more. Sure, you can sue, that is, if you can show up to court (if you know what I meant). Hehehe.

You asking, "Well how is that country not in a civil war?" Simple, the poor are uneducated or rather scared to get killed. They live day by day by begging. The rich lives in luxury. They will hire assasins, threaten to do something bad to them, etc if someone were to sue, retaliate against them. It's not very easy, if you've been to those countries. Maybe not Cuba, but the remainer. There are other countries like that. China is big on it, so as North Korea.

[Heracles 417]

There are lots of countries. Let me name a few. Cambodia, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Tibet, Cuba, and many more. Sure, you can sue, that is, if you can show up to court (if you know what I meant). Hehehe.

Can you imagine a hippie wanker liberal went to the police there and complained about their rights and said they will sue.. hahahahaha

[Mononoke28 137]

Well, most of these threads are all about being one up than the other. That's all. Some people have "interesting" things to say but they're very few and far in between.

So in essence, the whole thread loses meaning and it makes me want to read more about Mariah Carey having sex with Nick Cannon.

Diana